Hines' Smiling After Drops

[FistfullofRings]

I didn't see this discussed anywhere so I'll bring it up:

Hines Ward is one of my favorite All-Time Steelers, but him smiling yesterday after dropping a pass pissed me off. One play can be the difference in a game. Dropping a pass that would have picked up a first down is letting down your team mates. Him smiling is really no different than Marvel Smith smiling after giving up a sack or Anthony Smith smiling after giving up a big pass.

I noticed later in the game, when it was appearant the Steeles were in real danger of losing, he didn't smile after another drop. Maybe it occured to him he shouldn't have smiled after the first one...

[Coryea]

Hines IMO has done plenty in his career and for the Steelers where him smiling doesn't bother me. There's nothing he can do about it, I know it and you know he's pissed at himself.

[hamster]

Hine Ward gets a pass for smiling, in my book.

[SteelrzGirl]

But Hines is always smiling. I guess sometimes I just see it as his way of letting it go and moving on from a bad play so it doesnt get in his head.

[t-bone]

Hines would probably smile after a gunshot wound.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

It's a fucking game. You're supposed to be having fun.

[Iron Maiden]

A track runner I knew always had a big smile on her face when sprinting. She wasn't necessarily happy, just pushing herself. Her face made a smile instead of a grimace, whether she was winning or losing, she was smiling.

[FistfullofRings]

It's a fucking game. You're supposed to be having fun.


When you get paid $5 million a year, it's more than a "fucking game".

[Jmat]

Hines's smile was one of those "I can't believe I dropped that" smiles. A kick myself is the ass smile.
It Hines' way.

I think it's that way pretty uch whenever you see an athlete smile after he or she fucks up. It's not that they don't care or think it's funny. It's more like an I'm embarrassed smile or an it even happens to me smile.

[CoolieMan]

damn....I guess he should have gutted himself over the missed pass....

[Doc]

He shoulda pulled out a terrible towel taken off his helmet and cried uncontrollably into it.

Hines can smile all he wants. He knows, and we all know he should have made the catch. His reaction to it is irrelevant IMO.

[omawho]

"Hines's smile was one of those "I can't believe I dropped that" smiles. A kick myself in the ass smile."

i agree with this. He just couldn't beleive he dropped that one.....

[OhioSteel]

Hines Ward is one of the toughest SOB's ever. He often gets blasted and still holds onto the ball. He is without peer when it comes to blocking and lays out DB's whenever he gets a chance. His receiving skills are generally excellent. He is one of my all time favorite Steelers. If there is one person on this team I will cut slack for smiling when the Steelers are behind, it is Ward. Give me players with his attitude any time!!!

[Max Power]

It's a GAME they are playing out there. He's the only one with the right attitude. Smile with each play, each hit and each score. Act like you've been there before. Act like you ENJOY what you are being paid well to do. And he does it well. He takes the hits and delivers. Ever see his face after he flattens some unsuspecting DB? He's smiling! Why now does it bother you?

[hicksfan]

i really don't think his smiling was indicative of him being happy.

[TDX27]

He has done that a lot this year. Smiling and dropping passes. This defiinitely is not one of his better years but he still is the man.

[FistfullofRings]

Hines can smile all he wants. He knows, and we all know he should have made the catch. His reaction to it is irrelevant IMO.

Right, and had Nate Washington been all smiles after a drop, that would have been irrelevant? After all he knows he should have made the catch, right?

Yes, it's Hines Ward, but during the game, to me, he's #86. And Nate Washington is #85. A dropped pass is a dropped pass regardless of who drops it. It doesn't hurt the TEAM any less if Hines Ward drops it.

Again, late in the game, he wasn't smiling after another drop. This to me suggests he was cocky early in the game, humbled later in the game.

[FistfullofRings]

It's a GAME they are playing out there. He's the only one with the right attitude. Smile with each play, each hit and each score.

Jack Lambert just vomited,

Woody Hayes just rolled over in his grave.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

When you get paid $5 million a year, it's more than a "fucking game".

Money or not it's still a game. You act as if somehow you are directly impacted by a competition. The only way I see that being the case is if you are betting on the game, in which case you have only yourself to blame.

[Doc]

Right, and had Nate Washington been all smiles after a drop, that would have been irrelevant? After all he knows he should have made the catch, right?

Yes, it's Hines Ward, but during the game, to me, he's #86. And Nate Washington is #85. A dropped pass is a dropped pass regardless of who drops it. It doesn't hurt the TEAM any less if Hines Ward drops it.

Again, late in the game, he wasn't smiling after another drop. This to me suggests he was cocky early in the game, humbled later in the game.

First off, I can't believe this is what you chose to take away from yesterdays game.

Second off, I believe if you would talk to a sports psychologist about how to react to a bad play or a mistake, I am pretty sure he would tell you it's important to stay positive. Dont beat yourself up.
Now like has been mentioned before, I really don't think that smile was "Hahhahaha! I dropped that ball. Too funny!"

And finally, #86 as you refer to him smiles 95% of the time. After laying someone out, after getting layed out, after making a TD, and even after dropping a pass.
It doesn't bother one tiny bit. In fact, the times I don't see Hines smiling, i worry there is something wrong with him.

[CoolieMan]

Right, and had Nate Washington been all smiles after a drop, that would have been irrelevant? After all he knows he should have made the catch, right?

Yes, it's Hines Ward, but during the game, to me, he's #86. And Nate Washington is #85. A dropped pass is a dropped pass regardless of who drops it. It doesn't hurt the TEAM any less if Hines Ward drops it.

Again, late in the game, he wasn't smiling after another drop. This to me suggests he was cocky early in the game, humbled later in the game.


Star players who have proven themselves get more slack than 4th or 5th WRs.....Hines does enjoy himself out there....early in the game he might smile after a drop, probably for the reasons already mentioned (he is internally slapping himself for missing one) not a cocky attitude....later in a game he is losing, he knows smiling would be inappropriate so he doesn't....

I would rather he smile and get over the drop and move on to the next play than kick himself and be over thinking the next time a ball comes his way....

[FistfullofRings]

Money or not it's still a game. You act as if somehow you are directly impacted by a competition. The only way I see that being the case is if you are betting on the game, in which case you have only yourself to blame.

1. No bets.

2. This board is filled with posts taking issue with the Steelers. "You act as if you are directly impacted by a competition" could be used as a reply to any of them.

[FistfullofRings]

I believe if you would talk to a sports psychologist about how to react to a bad play or a mistake, I am pretty sure he would tell you it's important to stay positive. Dont beat yourself up.

More Jack Lambert vomiting.

More Woody Hayes rolling over in his grave.

[CoolieMan]

I seriously don't think Jack Lambert would have any problem with the way Hines plays....he lays it all out on the field....

[Sarge]

Everyone knows what Hines brings. Besides, he smiles all the damn time. Now if Nate dropped that TD, and came up smiling, you have a reason to gripe.

[Doc]

If you really think Lambert doesn't love the way Hines plays then there is no talking to you.

[t-bone]

When you get paid $5 million a year, it's more than a "fucking game".

I'll just reiterate a theory of mine.

it IS just a job.

just like being the guitar player....just like being a soap star, comedian, ESPN guy/girl....with more $$, the pressure is ramped up more.....missing a chord change at Flora-Bama is a lot less stressful than at LiveAid, but it is still, just a job.

it's "entertainment", people.

if all organized sport went away tonight, the planet would still function.

however, "we" being fans of the Steelers, and very dedicated ones at that, take this entertainment very seriously.

sometimes, a little too seriously.......it's understandable.


and if anyone can get a pic of Hines and Manny Sanguillen together, how cool would that be?
:D

[FistfullofRings]

Now if Nate dropped that TD, and came up smiling, you have a reason to gripe.

IAgain, it shouldn't make a difference. Who knows how the game might have turned out had Hines not dropped the passes he dropped. A lot of Steelers players screwed-up yesterday, Hines is the only one I saw smiling about it. But I didn't see him smiling when the reality of the situation had set in.

[CoolieMan]

IAgain, it shouldn't make a difference. Who knows how the game might have turned out had Hines not dropped the passes he dropped. A lot of Steelers players screwed-up yesterday, Hines is the only one I saw smiling about it. But I didn't see him smiling when the reality of the situation had set in.

It does make a difference...Hines almost always smiles...he is known for that....he smiles to let the defense know they did not get the best of him....and there is a difference to his smiles...he has a different look when he drops a pass than when he lays out a defender or makes a big play...

[FistfullofRings]

If you really think Lambert doesn't love the way Hines plays then there is no talking to you.

It's a joke. Not about how Lambert and Hayes would feel about Hines Ward, but about what their response would be if someone shared a PC, feel-good, "play with a smile on your face and stay positive" football philosophy.

[CoolieMan]

Lambert always played with a positive attitude....he was positive he was going to crush somebody on the next play....

[Lunar7]

A track runner I knew always had a big smile on her face when sprinting. She wasn't necessarily happy, just pushing herself. Her face made a smile instead of a grimace, whether she was winning or losing, she was smiling.



http://garotasquedizemni.ig.com.br/archives/grimace.jpg

[SteelerFan448]

Ward was literally our only WR threat when Holmes was out and carried the passing game, especially in the mud against Miami. He has made way more big plays for us that he has had drops. He realized it was an easy drop.

[slanchor]

the pass he dropped i think the first one i said thats alright now make up for it and he did with the touchdown.hines will catch that pass 99 out of 100.i just wish all of the players could play with the heart and desire to win that hines and ben play with.its not just once in awhile its every game.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

All the WR's have been having a case of the dropsies. I say bring back stick em.

Lester Hayes noticed the lanky, veteran receiver with the shaggy hair strolling toward him, but he couldn't figure out what Fred Biletnikoff wanted. The year was 1977, and Hayes was merely a rookie cornerback for the Oakland Raiders, a player hoping to make a big impression in his first preseason game. Biletnikoff was a future Hall of Famer, one who casually dabbed a gooey, brownish-yellow substance on Hayes' fingers.


Former Raiders defensive back Lester Hayes says he became a "mere mortal" after Stickum was banished by the NFL.

"Try that, rookie," Biletnikoff said before walking away and leaving Hayes confounded. "I thought," said Hayes recently, "that Fred had put axle grease in my hands."

There are days when Hayes still looks back at his introduction to Stickum and laughs at what it did for his career.

[Stlrs4Life]

Hine Ward gets a pass for smiling, in my book.



Same here, he might have been laughing at a defender.

[Sarge]

IAgain, it shouldn't make a difference. Who knows how the game might have turned out had Hines not dropped the passes he dropped. A lot of Steelers players screwed-up yesterday, Hines is the only one I saw smiling about it. But I didn't see him smiling when the reality of the situation had set in.

You know, if he only did it yesterday, I get your point. He's been doing it his whole damn career, dropped pass or TD catch. I think the smile may have been a smile of embarrassment, like he couldn't believe he dropped it.

[Punxsutawney]

It is OK to smile after you knock a defender the fukk out, but personally, it pi$$es me off when Hines smiles after dropping a pass in a big spot. Earlier in the season, he dropped two 3rd down passes against Denver and smiled after each of those as well. Considering how much he gets paid to catch passes, he makes me want to knock that smile off his face, but that's just me.

The fact of the matter is Hines has dropped WAY to many passes over the past two seasons. You combined that with the fact that he appears to have lost a step, he has become a very average receiver.

[Sarge]

This is a conversation where typing will never do my words justice.

[Southern Steeler]

Hasn't he earned a pass by now? really?

Hines is one of the few players who brings it every week. I won't sit here and question his heart or attitude.

[Doc]

unbelievable

[Sarge]

It's strange to see fans question Hines' dedication. But when the wheels are coming off, all kinds of shit starts flying.

[SteelrzGirl]

It's strange to see fans question Hines' dedication. But when the wheels are coming off, all kinds of shit starts flying.

I find it very odd.

[Punxsutawney]

It's strange to see fans question Hines' dedication. But when the wheels are coming off, all kinds of shit starts flying.


Who exactly is questioning Hines dedication?

The bottom line is that Hines has been dropping more passes than we have become accustomed to seeing him drop and he is not getting as much separation underneath as he used to.

If he was playing at a Probowl level, you probably would not hear complaining about the drops and the dumbass smiles that ensue.

[Sarge]

I find it very odd.

No kidding. Hines has personified Steelers football for how long? He smiles after a couple drops and he's not committed? Fuck, the guy has played games taking hits and getting his brain turned to mush, playing injured, not to mention destroying DB's LB's and DL's blocking. How quick fans forget. Smile after a drop and you become a pariah.

[Ark Steel]

You know, if he only did it yesterday, I get your point. He's been doing it his whole damn career, dropped pass or TD catch. I think the smile may have been a smile of embarrassment, like he couldn't believe he dropped it.

Happens to me all the time. I get an actuarial calculation wrong and I just smile and shake my head. WTF was I thinking?

Rarely happens, so I don't let it bother me....

[Sarge]

Who exactly is questioning Hines dedication?

The bottom line is that Hines has been dropping more passes than we have become accustomed to seeing him drop and he is not getting as much separation underneath as he used to.

If he was playing at a Probowl level, you probably would not hear complaining about the drops and the dumbass smiles that ensue.

Well if you aren't questioning his commitment or dedication, then why bitch when he smiles after a drop? If you are bitching about his smiling after a drop, and you aren't implying a lack of commitment, dedication or effort, what are you bitching about? As far as the rest, the guy isn't 23 anymore and has taken a beating for this team over the years. Even the big hits he dishes out take their toll. I think some of you expect too much.

[SteelrzGirl]

No kidding. Hines has personified Steelers football for how long? He smiles after a couple drops and he's not committed? Fuck, the guy has played games taking hits and getting his brain turned to mush, playing injured, not to mention destroying DB's LB's and DL's blocking. How quick fans forget. Smile after a drop and you become a pariah.

I could find 50 other bigger problems than Hines.

[Punxsutawney]

Well if you aren't questioning his commitment or dedication, then why bitch when he smiles after a drop? If you are bitching about his smiling after a drop, and you aren't implying a lack of commitment, dedication or effort, what are you bitching about? As far as the rest, the guy isn't 23 anymore and has taken a beating for this team over the years. Even the big hits he dishes out take their toll. I think some of you expect too much.

If you are having a quality year, it is OK to smile after a drop. When you are having a disappointing season that has included numerous dropped passes, not so much.

[Aries1247]

I could find 50 other bigger problems than Hines.

Hines' smile cost us yesterday's game.

[Iron Maiden]

Damn all those smiling happy people. Damn them all.

[Sarge]

If you are having a quality year, it is OK to smile after a drop. When you are having a disappointing season that has included numerous dropped passes, not so much.

Hines has 66 catches this season, 677 yards and 7 TD's. He also missed two games to injury. I can't find stats on drops anywhere, but Hines leads the team in catches, is second on the team in yards and is tied for the team lead in TD catches, and he is still throwing hits to boot. All that in the same year his QB is having a season for the Steelers record books. If that is your version of disappointing, especially with some of the playcalling and O-line play this year, I would love to know what your version of quality is. I would agree the loss to the Jags is frustrating, and that wide open drop that killed a drive no doubt hurt. But his smiling after drops is the least of this teams' problems.

[Aries1247]

Damn all those smiling happy people. Damn them all.

If Hines was shiny & happy after that drop I'd REALLY be pissed!

[Southern Steeler]

It makes me laugh that we have a thread about this when our O-Line and D-Line were manhandled yesterday.

Priorities, people.

[Iron Maiden]

Shiny happy people holding hands.
Shiny happy people laughing.

wtf is the world coming to?

[SteelrzGirl]

It makes me laugh that we have a thread about this when our O-Line and D-Line were manhandled yesterday.

Priorities, people.

but but but but but


Hines has a mouth.

[Punxsutawney]

Hines has 66 catches this season, 677 yards and 7 TD's. He also missed two games to injury. I can't find stats on drops anywhere, but Hines leads the team in catches, is second on the team in yards and is tied for the team lead in TD catches, and he is still throwing hits to boot. All that in the same year his QB is having a season for the Steelers record books. If that is your version of disappointing, especially with some of the playcalling and O-line play this year, I would love to know what your version of quality is. I would agree the loss to the Jags is frustrating, and that wide open drop that killed a drive no doubt hurt. But his smiling after drops is the least of this teams' problems.

I suppose he is having a decent year, but far from a quality one considering the standard he has set for himself. He has zero 100yd receiving games and his longest catch of the year is only 25yds.

His play is slipping and dropping passes does not warrant a smile given those circumstances.

[Sarge]

I suppose he is having a decent year, but far from a quality one considering the standard he has set for himself. He has zero 100yd receiving games and his longest catch of the year is only 25yds.

His play is slipping and dropping passes does not warrant a smile given those circumstances.


Far as I'm concerned, Hines is simply being Hines, and the stats bear that out.

For his career, including this season, Hines has averaged 71 catches for 868 yards and 6.5 TD's. He has only caught over 70 balls five times, and went over a thousand 4 times, and two of those were 1003, and 1004. His only real big stand out year was 2002, with 112 catches for 1329 yards and 12 TD's. His longest TD averages 55.5, and he's below that this year. Also over his career he has averaged 12.2 per catch and is averaging 10.3 this year, his lowest ever.

I'm not sure exactly what it is you expect, or the standard that you mention, but he is having a typical season for Hines Ward. He may not have the same wheels as 5 years ago, but he never really had wheels to begin with. His game has always been physical play and possession catches. You get the occasional huge play out him as well. Yeah he dropped a couple. All WR's do it. So he smiled after a drop. Big deal. Hines smiles all the damn time. I figure you'd be more upset that the defense got ass fucked or that the o-line continues to sacrifice Ben like he's a pristine virgin at a satanists convention. This team has bigger problems than Hines Ward, and they've cost us a whole lot more this season.

[Jmat]

It makes me laugh that we have a thread about this when our O-Line and D-Line were manhandled yesterday.

Priorities, people.

How dare you laugh following a terrible loss. You're not a true Steeler fan.
:cool:

[topseed]

I would rather he smile and get over the drop and move on to the next play than kick himself and be over thinking the next time a ball comes his way....

Good thing his smile prepared him to not overthink that second drop later in the game.


I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I'd have to agree with Fist and Punx: To me, when your quarterback is struggling to get in rhythm, early in a tight game against a good opponent with a playoff berth at stake, dropping potential first-down passes is no laughing matter.

[Doc]

I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I'd have to agree with Fist and Punx: To me, when your quarterback is struggling to get in rhythm, early in a tight game against a good opponent with a playoff berth at stake, dropping potential first-down passes is no laughing matter.

And your on drugs if you think that was what that smile was about...

[topseed]

I know, Doc. I know. The smile was all about Hines being Hines. Great.

Problem is, your idol has been dropping ball after ball right in his fucking hands throughout the season, and some of us are tired of him smiling about it. Oh the horror!

[Doc]

Problem is, your idol has been dropping ball after ball right in his fucking hands throughout the season, and some of us are tired of him smiling about it. Oh the horror!

Find me a drop ball stat and compare it to your top NFL recievers.....I'll wait.

[Southern Steeler]

You've gone and done it now, Doc.

[Jmat]

How come the assholes bitching about Hines' smile following a dropped pass don't bitch about it when he makes the catch and gets crushed but gets up laughing and smiling?

If his smile following the dropped pass bothers you're really fucked up and you have no clue what Hines is all about.

[topseed]

If you need me to find some obscure dropped ball stat for you to prove whatever it is you're aiming at, then you're the one on drugs, Doc.

[Southern Steeler]

Resist the urge Doc.......it's like a chicken running around in a yard......soon the argument will be all over the place......you can't possibly win when the point changes every 3 minutes....

[topseed]

You've gone and done it now, Doc.

God forbid I'm disagreeing with the masses again. Quick, Southern Steeler! To the bandwagon!

You're like clockwork.

[Southern Steeler]

You're like clockwork.

ditto......

[topseed]

How come the assholes bitching about Hines' smile following a dropped pass don't bitch about it when he makes the catch and gets crushed but gets up laughing and smiling?


Ummmmmmmmmm...

Makey catch good. Not makey catch bad. Now go play.

[Southern Steeler]

topseed type words-bad
topseed go away-good

I like this game!

[topseed]

Resist the urge Doc.......it's like a chicken running around in a yard......soon the argument will be all over the place......you can't possibly win when the point changes every 3 minutes....

Nah, soon the argument will be: The SEC is better than the Big Ten!

Oh wait, that's your gig.

[topseed]

topseed type words-bad
topseed go away-good

I like this game!

Yet another salient point from Bandwagon Man.

[Southern Steeler]

Yet another salient point from Bandwagon Man.

interesting analysis from someone who brought us this gem.....



Ummmmmmmmmm...

Makey catch good. Not makey catch bad. Now go play.

[topseed]

Interesting anaylsis? No. Simply dumbing down an answer to a stupid question.

Of course I shouldn't have expected you to figure that out, though. My bad.

[Sluzilla]

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4323&team=23

through 12 games...107 targets...hines had 3 drops...

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4262&team=17

through 14 games...136 targets...moss has 7 drops

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5652&team=4

through 14 games...153 targets...houshmandzadeh has 6 drops...

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7027&team=17

through 14 games...126 targets...welker has 3 drops...

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5477&team=11

through 14 games...128 targets...wayne has 5 drops...

[Southern Steeler]

Interesting anaylsis? No. Simply dumbing down an answer to a stupid question.

Of course I shouldn't have expected you to figure that out, though. My bad.

no, because I'm not a mind reader. I was simply pointing out the ridiculousness of your post....while mocking you with one similarly silly. I'm stunned you couldn't figure that out.

[60 MINUTES]

Hines and smile I don't have a problem with, Drop pass in a big game not so cool. However Hines catches far more then he drops. Same game BEN throws a 200 mile per hour pass between two guys Hines Catches it and bounces off them to the endzone.

Look, Hines with a Smile or without is not our problem. He has played good football this year just like he always does. I actually think Holmes needs to pick it up a bit. First round pick, I know he got hurt but he needs to be catching 6 and 80 yards a game and he is not. Hines is just fine and can smile any time he wants. That same smile cracks my ass up everytime he does it after laying some jack ass I hate out on his back. Smile away ward and keep making the plays.

[topseed]

no, because I'm not a mind reader. I was simply pointing out the ridiculousness of your post....while mocking you with one similarly silly. I'm stunned you couldn't figure that out.

Not a mind reader. LOL. Yes, since I always write like that, it's obvious how you could misinterpret my being ridiculously sarcastic in that instance. Very tough to figure out.

Good God, you are a simpleton. At least you're entertaining, though.

[Southern Steeler]

yeah, well you're a doodyhead!


This is fun...reminds me of 4th grade.

[topseed]

It's OK, buddy. You can reminisce about 2006 if you want to.

[BuckeyeSteel]

5 pages about Hine's smiling.

THIS is why I missed this place. You're all doodyheads!!!!

[CoolieMan]

Good thing his smile prepared him to not overthink that second drop later in the game.


I suppose I'm in the minority here, but I'd have to agree with Fist and Punx: To me, when your quarterback is struggling to get in rhythm, early in a tight game against a good opponent with a playoff berth at stake, dropping potential first-down passes is no laughing matter.

Hines smiling is not the same as laughing....

[oneforthebus]

5 pages about Hine's smiling.



Yeah, I'm cracking up. Hines has been smiling through his entire career...he had a couple of drops Sunday...he also makes catches 9 out of 10 other receivers would miss because they feel the hit coming, and unlike many WRs is capable of throwing huge blocks.

Anyone who saw his post-game comments knows he was anything but happy with his performance.

Smiling or not, Hines is NOT our problem.

[Sluzilla]

<table class="shsTable shsGriddedTable" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="shsTableTtlRow"><td colspan="4">NFL Leaders: Passes Dropped (Thru Dec. 17, 2007)</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="shsTableSubttlRow">
</td> </tr> <tr class="shsColTtlRow"> <td width="15%">Rank</td> <td width="30%">Player</td> <td width="25%">Team</td> <td width="20%">Stats</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">1</td> <td class="shsNamD">Reggie Bush (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7751&team=18)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NO (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=18)</td> <td class="shsNumD">10</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Dallas Clark (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6360&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Braylon Edwards (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7179&team=05)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cle (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=05)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Devery Henderson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6809&team=18)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NO (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=18)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Terrell Owens (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3664&team=06)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Dal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=06)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Brandon Marshall (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7868&team=07)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Den (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=07)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Santana Moss (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5463&team=28)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Was (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=28)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Anthony Gonzalez (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8286&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Earnest Graham (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7108&team=27)</td> <td class="shsNamD">TB (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=27)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">T.J. Houshmandzadeh (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5652&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Darrell Jackson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5109&team=25)</td> <td class="shsNamD">SF (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=25)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Randy Moss (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4262&team=17)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NE (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=17)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Steve Smith (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5521&team=29)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Car (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=29)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">8t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Brian Westbrook (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5977&team=21)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Phi (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=21)</td> <td class="shsNumD">7</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Marty Booker (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4728&team=15)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Mia (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=15)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Plaxico Burress (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5037&team=19)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NYG (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=19)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Desmond Clark (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4829&team=03)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Chi (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=03)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Keary Colbert (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6820&team=29)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Car (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=29)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Ronald Curry (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6092&team=13)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Oak (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=13)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Warrick Dunn (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3893&team=01)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Atl (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=01)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Edgerrin James (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4652&team=22)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ari (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=22)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Michael Jenkins (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6788&team=01)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Atl (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=01)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Chad Johnson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5483&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Kenton Keith (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8513&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Shaun McDonald (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6442&team=08)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Det (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=08)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Roy Williams (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6766&team=08)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Det (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=08)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Kellen Winslow (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6765&team=05)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cle (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=05)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">15t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Jason Witten (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6405&team=06)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Dal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=06)</td> <td class="shsNumD">6</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Hines57]

His smiling is his way of not throwing a fucking hissy fit ala the shoe bomber, etc, etc. Quit fucking bitching about stupid shit. Bitch about the shitty blocking of our O-line and our linebackers getting abused by Fred Taylor and MJD.

[Sluzilla]

<table class="shsTable shsGriddedTable" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="shsTableTtlRow"><td colspan="4">NFL Leaders: 1st Down Catches, 3rd Down (Thru Dec. 17, 2007)</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="shsTableSubttlRow">
</td> </tr> <tr class="shsColTtlRow"> <td width="15%">Rank</td> <td width="30%">Player</td> <td width="25%">Team</td> <td width="20%">Stats</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">1</td> <td class="shsNamD">T.J. Houshmandzadeh (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5652&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">23</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Chad Johnson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5483&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">21</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Derrick Mason (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3988&team=33)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Bal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=33)</td> <td class="shsNumD">21</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Terrell Owens (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3664&team=06)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Dal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=06)</td> <td class="shsNumD">21</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">2t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Reggie Wayne (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5477&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">21</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Antonio Gates (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6663&team=24)</td> <td class="shsNamD">SD (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=24)</td> <td class="shsNumD">20</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Joe Jurevicius (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4314&team=05)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cle (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=05)</td> <td class="shsNumD">20</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Wes Welker (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7027&team=17)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NE (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=17)</td> <td class="shsNumD">20</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> <td class="shsNamD">Hines Ward (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4323&team=23)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Pit (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=23)</td> <td class="shsNumD">19</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">10t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Donald Driver (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4863&team=09)</td> <td class="shsNamD">GB (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=09)</td> <td class="shsNumD">18</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">10t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Torry Holt (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4654&team=14)</td> <td class="shsNamD">StL (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=14)</td> <td class="shsNumD">18</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Marques Colston (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8001&team=18)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NO (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=18)</td> <td class="shsNumD">17</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Chris Cooley (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6840&team=28)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Was (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=28)</td> <td class="shsNumD">17</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Tony Gonzalez (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3950&team=12)</td> <td class="shsNamD">KC (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=12)</td> <td class="shsNumD">17</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Brandon Stokley (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4755&team=07)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Den (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=07)</td> <td class="shsNumD">17</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Plaxico Burress (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5037&team=19)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NYG (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=19)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Ronald Curry (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6092&team=13)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Oak (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=13)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Santonio Holmes (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7774&team=23)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Pit (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=23)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Brandon Marshall (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7868&team=07)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Den (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=07)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Ernest Wilford (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6879&team=30)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Jac (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=30)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Kellen Winslow (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6765&team=05)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cle (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=05)</td> <td class="shsNumD">16</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Coryea]

LMAO, Sluzilla just bitch slapped everyone that said Ward's been dropping passes all year, what did he have 3? LMAO!
The guy is a big game WR, he average right around a TD a game in the post-season.

If you guys are pissed that he smiles after a drop, why aren't you pissed that Tomlin's expression doesn't change when we are playing like shit?

[CoolieMan]

people bitching about Hines are just trying to find something new to cry about....

[ugemire]

my buddy was in vietnam. when they captured the enemy and interogated them, the viet cong were always smiling. drove them crazy and they offed a few over it. came down from command that orientals often smile when in distress and quit offing them. hines is part oriental, maybe that is it.

[Vader]

I think Hines smiling is the least of our worries. He is one of the best WRs in the game and he does his best so I couldn't care less if he smiles or does backflips.

[Coryea]

Uge comes along and brings race into it, this going 12 pages, easy.

[ugemire]

Uge comes along and brings race into it, this going 12 pages, easy.
coryea comes along and brings angie into it, this going 12 hours easy......:D
just making a comment from what my buddy told me of his days in nam. nothing racist about it.

[Coryea]

coryea comes along and brings angie into it, this going 12 hours easy......:D
just making a comment from what my buddy told me of his days in nam. nothing racist about it.

Calm down old man, you'd have a heart attack.:p

[thatrain]

Uge comes along and brings race into it, this going 12 pages, easy.

Pretty sure Oriental is a rug, not a race.

[FistfullofRings]

If you guys are pissed that he smiles after a drop, why aren't you pissed that Tomlin's expression doesn't change when we are playing like shit?

Actually, I posted that Tomlin's anger after the Jag's loss over the Steelers level of play was about a month late.

[ugemire]

that said, Hines is the man. if he chooses to make any expression, who cares. defenders fear him, when another of our receivers makes a catch. he brings that to the game. Bam !

[Steelr4evr]

This thread makes me smile.

[FistfullofRings]

This thread isn't racist until someone bitches about Hines' driving skills.

[LeXX75]

But Hines is always smiling. I guess sometimes I just see it as his way of letting it go and moving on from a bad play so it doesnt get in his head.

thats it.......I think its worse when he doesn't smile ..thats not him...Smith and Smith I have never seen with a smile on the field...so it would not be the same thing..if they smiled after a bad play..

[Steelerman]

I smile when I fart.

[FistfullofRings]

Just in some clarification...

1. Hines is NOT always smiling. He didn't smile after his 2nd drop against the Jags.
2. It's normal to smile after making a good play, to smile after a bad play suggests he is taking it lightly. The fact that he didn't smile after the second drop in a more critical period of the game only reinforces that he took the first drop lightly.
3. I thought the Steelers had been playing sub-par football for several weeks and had for the most part shrugged it off (as had most of the posters on this board - see Jags game predictions). Maybe this will help you understand my problem with Hines smiling after his drop.

[Sarge]

Just in some clarification...

1. Hines is NOT always smiling. He didn't smile after his 2nd drop against the Jags.
2. It's normal to smile after making a good play, to smile after a bad play suggests he is taking it lightly. The fact that he didn't smile after the second drop in a more critical period of the game only reinforces that he took the first drop lightly.
3. I thought the Steelers had been playing sub-par football for several weeks and had for the most part shrugged it off (as had most of the posters on this board - see Jags game predictions). Maybe this will help you understand my problem with Hines smiling after his drop.


I get ya now. He's a slacker. we should cut him.

[memphissteelergirl]

But Hines is always smiling. I guess sometimes I just see it as his way of letting it go and moving on from a bad play so it doesnt get in his head.

Thank you!! As much of a competitor as Ward is, you people actually think he's smiling because he dropped a pass?? Un-freakin-believable!! :rolleyes:

It makes me laugh that we have a thread about this when our O-Line and D-Line were manhandled yesterday.

Priorities, people.

What he said....

[CoolieMan]

Just in some clarification...

1. Hines is NOT always smiling. He didn't smile after his 2nd drop against the Jags.
2. It's normal to smile after making a good play, to smile after a bad play suggests he is taking it lightly. The fact that he didn't smile after the second drop in a more critical period of the game only reinforces that he took the first drop lightly.
3. I thought the Steelers had been playing sub-par football for several weeks and had for the most part shrugged it off (as had most of the posters on this board - see Jags game predictions). Maybe this will help you understand my problem with Hines smiling after his drop.

that is where I think you are wrong...I don't think he is taking the drops lightly...I think it is just his way to deal with it.....Lambert's way was to cuss and smack himself in the helmet....both are effective imo.....

[FistfullofRings]

that is where I think you are wrong...I don't think he is taking the drops lightly...I think it is just his way to deal with it.....Lambert's way was to cuss and smack himself in the helmet....both are effective imo.....

OK, why then did he not smile after his second drop in a more critical period of the game?

[CoolieMan]

OK, why then did he not smile after his second drop in a more critical period of the game?

because people like you would have really flipped

[FistfullofRings]

because people like you would have really flipped

Sadly, it no longer mattered at that point. As much as his smiling after his first dropped irritated me, his failure to smile after his second drop amused me.

[Blount 47]

My problem is Hines stunning inability to get deep, his LONGEST reception is 25 yards and we must constantly set him in motion to beat the corner at the LOS. We need a true #1 WR and Holmes is not it, I think he will prove to be a great #2 WR but not a #1 guy. We need some size and speed at WR instead of the mix amn match smurfs we currently run out each week, I seriously doubt we scare anyone at WR and we have a season long catch of only 45 yards.

[Coryea]

My problem is Hines stunning inability to get deep, his LONGEST reception is 25 yards and we must constantly set him in motion to beat the corner at the LOS. We need a true #1 WR and Holmes is not it, I think he will prove to be a great #2 WR but not a #1 guy. We need some size and speed at WR instead of the mix amn match smurfs we currently run out each week, I seriously doubt we scare anyone at WR and we have a season long catch of only 45 yards.

I think a big part of that has absolutely nothing to do with the WR's, if you want to throw deep, you need time to throw deep and that's not happening.

Indy won the Super Bowl last year with smurf WR's, NE won a few with smurf WR's, we won the Super Bowl with smurf WR's.

[Hines57]

Maybe if our line gave Ben more time to throw he could get some longer passes out to Hines & co.

[ugemire]

Maybe if our line gave Ben more time to throw he could get some longer passes out to Hines & co.
Ding Ding Ding...We gotta Winner !

[BermudaSteel]

Hines' has earned the right to smile, even with the dropped passes. No problem in my book...

[topseed]

LMAO, Sluzilla just bitch slapped everyone that said Ward's been dropping passes all year, what did he have 3? LMAO!
The guy is a big game WR, he average right around a TD a game in the post-season.

If you guys are pissed that he smiles after a drop, why aren't you pissed that Tomlin's expression doesn't change when we are playing like shit?


Bitch-slapped? LOL.

First of all, lending much credence to a subjective stat from some unofficial website is a stretch to begin with; however, since it was used to prove some type of argument that Ward hasn't been dropping passes, let's at least try to get its "facts" straight, shall we?

You might want to re-read post #76 again and click on that first link, which notes five drops (not three) through 12 games. And I'm sure you'd agree Hines had two drops for sure against Jacksonville, and one at the very least against New England. That would put his total at eight through 14 games, two from the high of ten by Reggie Bush, and tied for sixth worst in the league (according to post #86). That's right, sixth worst in the NFL.

Excellent point. Continue to slap yourselves silly.


And maybe Tomlin should start smiling when the Steelers play like shit. That'll help.

[BermudaSteel]

My problem is Hines stunning inability to get deep, his LONGEST reception is 25 yards and we must constantly set him in motion to beat the corner at the LOS. We need a true #1 WR and Holmes is not it, I think he will prove to be a great #2 WR but not a #1 guy. We need some size and speed at WR instead of the mix amn match smurfs we currently run out each week, I seriously doubt we scare anyone at WR and we have a season long catch of only 45 yards.

I'm not trying to bash you here, Blount, but, we all know that Hines isn't a DEEP threat---he never has been. Santonio is a hybrid deep threat, like Steve Smith, Santana Moss and even Randle El...

I do agree that it wouldn't be bad to have a BIG WR (ie. Chad Johnson); but, as stated by Coryea, we have won w/ the smallish WR's that we have.

Here's the REAL issue. We don't run enough "trick plays" to keep opposing D's off guard---and when we do it's a stupid ass reverse on the goalline (it actually worked on the 2pt. conversion this week).

[Sluzilla]

Bitch-slapped? LOL.

First of all, lending much credence to a subjective stat from some unofficial website is a stretch to begin with; however, since it was used to prove some type of argument that Ward hasn't been dropping passes, let's at least try to get its "facts" straight, shall we?

You might want to re-read post #76 again and click on that first link, which notes five drops (not three) through 12 games. And I'm sure you'd agree Hines had two drops for sure against Jacksonville, and one at the very least against New England. That would put his total at eight through 14 games, two from the high of ten by Reggie Bush, and tied for sixth worst in the league (according to post #86). That's right, sixth worst in the NFL.

Excellent point. Continue to slap yourselves silly.


And maybe Tomlin should start smiling when the Steelers play like shit. That'll help.

actually it said 3 last night...they must've just added the 2 from JAX...

btw...Hines only has 12 games played...he didn't play in 9/30 or 10/7 games...

so he has 5 total this year...so he still isn't on that drop chart...

[topseed]

actually it said 3 last night...they must've just added the 2 from JAX...

btw...Hines only has 12 games played...he didn't play in 9/30 or 10/7 games...

so he has 5 total this year...so he still isn't on that drop chart...

So...the drops mysteriously changed from 3 to 5, yet the "targets" stayed exactly the same at 107?

You find this information to be reliable?

[Sluzilla]

stats.com?...reliable?...yes...very...always has been...in fact they provide the stats for Yahoo!...FoxSports...DirectTV...and EA Sports...to name a few...

they have partnerships with NFL NBA NASCAR MLB NHL et al...

yeah...

stats.com could be considered reliable...

[Sluzilla]

<table class="shsTable shsGriddedTable" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="shsTableTtlRow"><td colspan="4">NFL Leaders: Receptions In Opp 20 (Thru Dec. 17, 2007)</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="shsTableSubttlRow">
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Houshmandzadeh (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5652&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">14</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">5</td> <td class="shsNamD">Derrick Mason (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3988&team=33)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Bal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=33)</td> <td class="shsNumD">13</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">6</td> <td class="shsNamD">Brian Westbrook (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5977&team=21)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Phi (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=21)</td> <td class="shsNumD">12</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">7t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Dallas Clark (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6360&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">11</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">7t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Jabar Gaffney (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5919&team=17)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NE (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=17)</td> <td class="shsNumD">11</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">7t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Heath Miller (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7206&team=23)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Pit (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=23)</td> <td class="shsNumD">11</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">7t </td> <td class="shsNamD">LaDainian Tomlinson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5452&team=24)</td> <td class="shsNamD">SD (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=24)</td> <td class="shsNumD">11</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">7t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Hines Ward (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4323&team=23)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Pit (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=23)</td> <td class="shsNumD">11</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Torry Holt (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4654&team=14)</td> <td class="shsNamD">StL (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=14)</td> <td class="shsNumD">10</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Amani Toomer (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=3516&team=19)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NYG (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=19)</td> <td class="shsNumD">10</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Kenny Watson (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5744&team=04)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cin (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=04)</td> <td class="shsNumD">10</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">12t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Reggie Wayne (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5477&team=11)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ind (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=11)</td> <td class="shsNumD">10</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Chris Cooley (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6840&team=28)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Was (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=28)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Donald Driver (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=4863&team=09)</td> <td class="shsNamD">GB (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=09)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Braylon Edwards (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7179&team=05)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Cle (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=05)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">16t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Antonio Gates (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6663&team=24)</td> <td class="shsNamD">SD (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=24)</td> <td class="shsNumD">9</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Marion Barber (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7285&team=06)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Dal (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=06)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Plaxico Burress (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5037&team=19)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NYG (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=19)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Reggie Bush (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7751&team=18)</td> <td class="shsNamD">NO (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=18)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Vernon Davis (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7755&team=25)</td> <td class="shsNamD">SF (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=25)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Larry Fitzgerald (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=6762&team=22)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Ari (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=22)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Maurice Jones-Drew (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7809&team=30)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Jac (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=30)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow1Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Brandon Marshall (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7868&team=07)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Den (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=07)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td> </tr> <tr class="shsRow0Row"> <td class="shsNumD">20t </td> <td class="shsNamD">Dennis Northcutt (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5061&team=30)</td> <td class="shsNamD">Jac (http://hosted.stats.com/fb/teamstats.asp?team=30)</td> <td class="shsNumD">8</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Coryea]

stats.com?...reliable?...yes...very...always has been

stats.com could be considered reliable...

Not when they don't fit your arguement, then they are unreliable. :D

[topseed]

stats.com?...reliable?...yes...very...always has been...in fact they provide the stats for Yahoo!...FoxSports...DirectTV...and EA Sports...to name a few...

they have partnerships with NFL NBA NASCAR MLB NHL et al...

yeah...

stats.com could be considered reliable...


So, which reliable stat do we rely on, then?

3 out of 107?
5 out of 107?

Do they just make it up as they go?

[Sluzilla]

So, which reliable stat do we rely on, then?

3 out of 107?
5 out of 107?

Do they just make it up as they go?

LOL...are you really so stupid as to say a reliable stat site SHOULDN'T make stat corrections?...you really are reaching for straws on this...you said yourself that Hines had two drops vs the Jags...as of Monday night evidently they hadn't added them to his totals...as of Tuesday morning they had...

the more you post on this...the more ignorant you make yourself look...stats.com has been around for 25 years or so...and are a major part of all stat reporting for most every sport...and has partnerships with most every sport...for you to try and act like they are some generic stat site is not only ludicrous...it pretty much makes you a laughing stock...

[topseed]

No, tough guy, I'm not that stupid.

I just would expect a reliable stat site (that's been around for 25 years) to get it right in the first place.

[Sluzilla]

LOL...tough guy?...wow...i didn't realize i was that threatening to you by just pointing out your stupidity in this thread...

so did they get it wrongthe first time?...or did they just not update the dropped passes stat until late monday night?...

keep trying to find any little shred of dignity to hang from...it's not working...but it's fun to watch you squirm like this...

[Rogue Dead Guy]

No, tough guy, I'm not that stupid.

I just would expect a reliable stat site (that's been around for 25 years) to get it right in the first place.

Actually, it sure sounds like it.

The official stats get tweaked by the league around Monday or Tuesday every week...

[topseed]

LOL...tough guy?...wow...i didn't realize i was that threatening to you by just pointing out your stupidity in this thread...

so did they get it wrongthe first time?...or did they just not update the dropped passes stat until late monday night?...

keep trying to find any little shred of dignity to hang from...it's not working...but it's fun to watch you squirm like this...

You're offended by "tough guy" after calling somebody stupid, ignorant, and a laughing stock? Would you prefer Sweetheart instead? How about Loverboy?

I don't really know the inner workings of stats.com, oh brilliant one. What I do know is some of information in the link you originally posted is the same now, and some of it is different. God forgive me for considering that to be unreliable. Perhaps you should figure out precisely when stats.com indeed has the correct information available before you quote them in a post. This may indeed go a long way in clearing up any perceived stupid ignorance.

[topseed]

Actually, it sure sounds like it.

The official stats get tweaked by the league around Monday or Tuesday every week...

Actually, that still doesn't explain why the drops number would increase while the targets number stayed the same. Unless they indeed made a mistake to begin with.

But I'm sure a really smart guy like you already knew that.

[Aries1247]

Popcorn anyone?

You know, I seem to recall someone telling Parseed to 'dial it down' or he'd be gone. That didn't go away with the old board, seed.

[Sluzilla]

You're offended by "tough guy" after calling somebody stupid, ignorant, and a laughing stock? Would you prefer Sweetheart instead? How about Loverboy?

I don't really know the inner workings of stats.com, oh brilliant one. What I do know is some of information in the link you originally posted is the same now, and some of it is different. God forgive me for considering that to be unreliable. Perhaps you should figure out precisely when stats.com indeed has the correct information available before you quote them in a post. This may indeed go a long way in clearing up any perceived stupid ignorance.

offended?...no...amazed that someone would be so intimidated by being called out on their stupidity that they feel threatened?...yes...

i suppose you consider any site that makes updates or even corrections to be unreliable?...you'd rather a site never update their data?...or never to make corrections?...and THAT would be reliable to you?...

and i didn't think you could dig yourself any deeper...

[Rogue Dead Guy]

Actually, that still doesn't explain why the drops number would increase while the targets number stayed the same. Unless they indeed made a mistake to begin with.

But I'm sure a really smart guy like you already knew that.

Alrighty then.

Keep digging that hole. You prefer newspapers to not offer retractions and corrections as well?

Let me this straight, you're lobbing around things because you're insulted by a respected website that's been around quite some time?

That's cool.

[topseed]

Popcorn anyone?

You know, I seem to recall someone telling Parseed to 'dial it down' or he'd be gone. That didn't go away with the old board, seed.


Dial what down, exactly?

[bearcatsno69]

That's just Hines' M.O. he is out there having a great time. That is one of the reasons why he is a crowd favorite. He always looks like he is having a good time. I would hate to sit at Hold' em table with him though.

[RightSideOnly]

Its better to be smiling then crying

[topseed]

offended?...no...amazed that someone would be so intimidated by being called out on their stupidity that they feel threatened?...yes...

i suppose you consider any site that makes updates or even corrections to be unreliable?...you'd rather a site never update their data?...or never to make corrections?...and THAT would be reliable to you?...

and i didn't think you could dig yourself any deeper...

Hey Dr. Phil: Specifically, in your infinite wisdom, how does calling you a tough guy make me feel threatened?

No, of course they should correct their mistakes. However, I'd consider the original information that you provided to be unreliable and in fact wrong, which in this case, it happened to be. This seems to be a difficult concept for you and some others.

[Buff]

If Hines put in a half-assed effort and went through the motions, then his smiling would annoy me 100 x more than it does already. However, since you won't find a more fiery competitor in the NFL, it only annoys me a little bit. But I'm a poor loser

[topseed]

Alrighty then.

Keep digging that hole. You prefer newspapers to not offer retractions and corrections as well?

Let me this straight, you're lobbing around things because you're insulted by a respected website that's been around quite some time?

That's cool.

Insulted by a respected website? Yeah, that's it.

Actually, if you reread (I know this may be a difficult task) the thread starting with post #118, the whole "reliable" argument began with my questioning of the particular information which was indeed incorrect. Sluzilla chose to not answer the question directly, but to broaden the scope to the entire website, and tell me all about its affiliates and how long they've been around.

I guess that was too difficult for you to follow, but that's cool.

[vivigump]

Hines is always smiling. He loves the game, this is what makes him so good. He plays with passion, a love of the game; he actually enjoys playing the game. He plays hard out there on every play whether he is catching the ball, running a route, or blocking for someone. Seeing him smiling after those drops this past week doesn't bother me because I know he busts his ass out there and plays every down with a fire like it's the winning drive of the SuperBowl. I just wish every player played like him, especially the O-Line. I think some needs to light a fire under their asses.

[markymarc]

Hines is a future HOFer. He can smile anytime during a game. Hines knows those catches should have been made, but he held onto the TD grab when we needed it. I expect to see a few more smiles from Hines tonight against the Rams.