Isn't this a joke ..

[cpollock]

Where is Bradshaw in this list ....

NFL's greatest quarterbacks of all-time


http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/specials/2008/perfect_picks/index.html?cat=NFL&week=3

[Smooth Criminal]

People refuse to lit Bradshaw as a great QB. How many more rings did they want him too win?

[blitz]

peyton number 1 is even funnier than bradshaw not on list.

[cpollock]

I understand most of the other choices .. except for Brawdy .. but then again .. he is the media darling .. cough , cough .. :rolleyes:

[CoolieMan]

Terry was just a game manager

[Hines57]

Terry has 4 rings. The other people can have the list

[Vader]

I'll quote Bradshaw

"I never lost a SB, I have 4 SB rings and never lost a SB... top that"

[black & gold Apex]

He didn't play in Dallas, Miami, Greenbay or Denver---no respect in Pittsburgh

[Steelerman]

I'll quote Bradshaw

"I never lost a SB, I have 4 SB rings and never lost a SB... top that"

Actually, he said "I'm proud of that", not "top that".

Brad might have the rings but he was also one of the most inconsistent QB's in the game.

[Vader]

Actually, he said "I'm proud of that", not "top that".

Brad might have the rings but he was also one of the most inconsistent QB's in the game.

I was talking about the time he was talking to Howie on the set.

[Steelerman]

Every time they air an "NFL Greatest <post position here>", Bradshaw is not considered elite because of the team around him. But I guess the same could be said for Montana.


Montana had a career QB rating of 92, a 63% completion percentage, 273 TD's, and only 139 INT's, 40,000+ yards passing, 3 SB MVP's, eight Pro-Bowls, and seven All-Pro selections. He demolishes Bradshaw in about every conceivable category.

[STEELERDYNASTY]

4 rings 'nuff said..if he would have had Montana's accuracy ect...we would have 9 rings right now

Bradshaw was still great simply for the way he did when it counted the most

[Aries1247]

Actually, he said "I'm proud of that", not "top that".

Brad might have the rings but he was also one of the most inconsistent QB's in the game.

I'll take an 'inconsistant QB' who can still win the big game over any 'record holders' anyday, thanks.

Bwady set/broke records last year, so did Farve, how many records does Marino have, Takenton? Yet they still have SB losses.\

Great QB's aren't always great, they're great when they have to be.

[Vader]

It is really unfair to compare Bradshaw to Montana. Ponder this:

1. Different eras- Bradshaw played much of the time when a DB could do just about anything to a WR. You could actually hit somebody in the head and it not be a penalty.

2. Different systems- Montana played in a west coast system that utilizes the short passing game. Not only that but it was so different than anything else at that time. Bradshaw threw the ball down the field not dink and dunk.

[BAS]

I'll take an 'inconsistant QB' who can still win the big game over any 'record holders' anyday, thanks.

Bwady set/broke records last year, so did Farve, how many records does Marino have, Takenton? Yet they still have SB losses.\

Great QB's aren't always great, they're great when they have to be.

Sounds like John Facenda.

[Steelerman]

I'll take an 'inconsistant QB' who can still win the big game over any 'record holders' anyday, thanks.

Bwady set/broke records last year, so did Farve, how many records does Marino have, Takenton? Yet they still have SB losses.\

Great QB's aren't always great, they're great when they have to be.

That's fantastic, but I'm not talking about other QB's. I'm talking about Bradshaw and his lack of consistency. I'm sorry, I forgot that I can't be rationale on this board.

[Steelerman]

It is really unfair to compare Bradshaw to Montana. Ponder this:

1. Different eras- Bradshaw played much of the time when a DB could do just about anything to a WR. You could actually hit somebody in the head and it not be a penalty.



Different era's? Montana was a rookie in 1979. Bradshaw played until 1983. So, come again?

[Silent]

even Montana has said that Bradshaw is one of the greatest QB's in NFL history. if one great QB can say that about another, something has to be right, right?

[Aries1247]

Sounds like John Facenda.

It's who I got it from. :D

That's fantastic, but I'm not talking about other QB's. I'm talking about Bradshaw and his lack of consistency. I'm sorry, I forgot that I can't be rationale on this board.

You can be rationale, just don't act like a big baby when someone disagrees with you. :cool: Hell I'll be the 1st one to say his stats are awful.... 212 TD's - 210 Int's? WTF? But I'd still rather have him then Bwady, Marino, Tark, Elway....

[Doc]

another list to laugh at....Foxsports says we have the 25th best backup QB in the league.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=8546110#sport=NFL&photo=8543680

[Aries1247]

another list to laugh at....Foxsports says we have the 25th best backup QB in the league.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/pgStory?contentId=8546110#sport=NFL&photo=8543680

& that list wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the fact that Bwady took a fall. Fricken media.

[Steelerman]

You can be rationale, just don't act like a big baby when someone disagrees with you. :cool: ..


So I'm a big baby for calmly supporting my opinion with numbers and facts? Gotcha.

[Steelerman]

Great QB's aren't always great, they're great when they have to be.


When Facenda said this, he said great "teams". I'm not being a dick, just an FYI.

[Steelerman58]

Why does anybody pay any attention to SI. It's a rag & has been for quite some time.

[cpollock]

29
New England: Matt Cassel

Cassel hasn't started a game since high school and only threw seven passes in 2007. That's about to change with Patriots star Tom Brady (knee) out for the season.


Interesting -- because all the other media is saying he could be the next Brady -- because Brady came in because of a similar situation ( QB getting hurt )

[FlaStlrfan]

Different era's? Montana was a rookie in 1979. Bradshaw played until 1983. So, come again?

Look up the rule changes that started in 1978. Then come again.

It was a different era.

[Steelerman]

Look up the rule changes that started in 1978. Then come again.

It was a different era.

I'm well aware of the rule changes that occured. Even then Bradshaw still never had a completion percentage over 56% and had three straight years with 20+ INT's, even with two Hall of Famer receivers. I'm not saying he wasn't great. I'm just saying he's not the all-worshipped unmistakeable bow-down to legend that everyone makes him out to be. His supporting cast was far superior than what he was.

[Max Power]

Most of us that saw the Bradshaw years saw many games before the Super Bowls. All games are taken into consideration. However to omit him from the list is wrong. He wasn't "THE" best but in his time, for sure he was hands down. In the scheme of things, there was never a greater QB at running a team on his own, which he did. No one can touch his accomplishments. He is ONE of the very greatest QBs to have ever played the NFL game of Football, no matter what that list has on it. I beleive that those making the list just are too young. Sorry I don't wish to offend anyone who did not see Terry play. He was a GOD in this town.

[Steelerman]

He was a GOD in this town.


I love Bradshaw, but this is a very incorrect statement. Even Bradshaw will say this. He left Pittsburgh in 1983 and did not show his face again in the city until 2002. He was booed regularly, including well AFTER the Super Bowl years. He skipped Art Rooney's funeral because he didn't want to come back to Pittsburgh. He used Vern Lundquist to introduce him at his Hall of Fame speech instead a member of the Steeler organization. His relationship with Pittsburgh was extremely tumultuous to say the least. There are multiple videos, books, etc that will support all of this, including his own book that he put out a few years back.

[Vader]

I'm well aware of the rule changes that occured. Even then Bradshaw still never had a completion percentage over 56% and had three straight years with 20+ INT's, even with two Hall of Famer receivers. I'm not saying he wasn't great. I'm just saying he's not the all-worshipped unmistakeable bow-down to legend that everyone makes him out to be. His supporting cast was far superior than what he was.

Yea, and he was at the end of his career while Montana hadn't even got really started yet. Again Montana had the west coast system that allowed for 60+% passers. Bradshaw NEVER had that.

BTW go back and see who was on the 49ers and see who his supporting cast was. And not just on offense either.

[LuaW]

Bradshaw was no Gawd in Pittsburgh. I still know people who say that he likely wasn't the best QB on the team (Gillam). He ran from this town- and refused to come back. He had a great team, he didn't mess it up- which is what he had to do. 4 wins and 0 losses proves something- but really wasn't he a Jackie Smith drop from having a loss? He had nothing to do with that- but he did help the team score all those points that game. Was he a All-Time great QB, probably not. Was he a darn good Qb who was a great player- yep. Top 20 surely, top 10 probably not. At the time he played I'd have to say personally I'd have- Stabauch, Fouts, Anderson, Dawson above him. I'm not counting Unitas and I'm excluding Jurgenson for bias reasons.