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ianv2008
09-11-2008, 02:28 AM
didnt see this posted


Is Flacco taking same path as Big Ben?

September 10, 2008 12:30 PM

James Lang/US Presswire
Joe Flacco's poise in the Ravens' 17-10 victory over the Bengals in Week 1 has some observers likening the rookie QB to Ben Roethlisberger.


Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker

BALTIMORE -- Four years ago, a small-school rookie quarterback burst upon the AFC North scene.

He was inexperienced but owned a strong arm and a veteran's cool. Supported by a veteran defense, the rookie managed his offense and won his starting debut. He also ignited hopes of stirring a run to the postseason.

Sound familiar?

In 2004, that signal-caller was Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. The former Miami (Ohio) star was asked to start in a pinch while leading a veteran team.

In 2008, Baltimore Ravens rookie quarterback Joe Flacco is in a similar position.

No one expects the former Delaware standout to lead his team to 14 consecutive regular-season wins in his first year, as Roethlisberger did as a rookie. Still, Flacco's performance in Week 1 during a 17-10 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals has the Ravens and their fans hoping they've finally found the missing link.

Since the team's 1996 inception, Baltimore usually has lacked quality quarterback play.

"He's given this city great optimism and a sense of what this team can be with him at the helm," Ravens receiver Derrick Mason said. "We can be as good as we want to be, definitely, and it all depends on what we do at that position and how our guys around the quarterback go out and produce. If we can produce as skill guys, then it makes it all better."

No one is anointing Flacco as the second coming of Big Ben, especially after only one performance. Still, there are several similarities.

Roethlisberger was the No. 11 overall pick in 2004 out of Miami (Ohio) in the Mid-American Conference. Despite Roethlisberger's solid production and having all the physical attributes, there were questions about whether he could handle the jump in competition early.

In that spring's draft, Ole Miss' Eli Manning and North Carolina State's Philip Rivers were selected ahead of Roethlisberger.

Coming out of Delaware, Flacco also had questions marks concerning whether he was ready for the NFL game. At 6-foot-6, 230 pounds and with a strong arm, Flacco looked the part. But he fell to No. 18 overall, where the Ravens snagged him. He was the second quarterback selected, 15 slots behind Atlanta's tabbing of Boston College's Matt Ryan.

In 2004, Roethlisberger didn't win the job in training camp. Former Steelers quarterback Tommy Maddox was the starter until an injury allowed Roethlisberger to step in and take over the reins. But as the season unfolded, Roethlisberger kept winning. He took care of the football, and the job was permanently his.

Flacco was the Ravens' third quarterback for most of training camp this summer. But he moved up the depth chart, thanks in part to a season-ending shoulder injury suffered by Kyle Boller and an unexpected viral infection that sidelined Troy Smith.

Against the Bengals on Sunday, Flacco showed flashes of being the type of quarterback who could inspire the Ravens' faithful. His passing statistics were pedestrian: Flacco completed 15 of 29 attempts for 129 yards. But he avoided interceptions.

Flacco's 38-yard touchdown run demonstrated remarkable agility, put the Ravens up 17-3 in the third quarter and rocked the M&T Stadium crowd.

Now Flacco is 1-0 and working to secure the job long term, despite being a rookie.

"I don't pay attention to that," Flacco said of his first-year status. "I've got a great team around me, and I've got 52 other guys that are behind me and behind everybody else on the team. When you have a team like that, it gives you a lot of (confidence)."

There is a certain calmness about Flacco that this situation isn't too big. After calling his route to being a starter in Week 1 "kind of crazy," Flacco spent many late nights watching film and preparing like a veteran, according to his coaches.

Flacco's rapid improvement was noticeable. Many of the mistakes he made in the preseason diminished by the time he took the field on Sunday. His decision-making was crisp and he didn't commit any turnovers against Cincinnati.

"He's just a regular Joe, that's how he approaches the game," Ravens rookie tailback Ray Rice said. "That's how he approaches everything, but he's a quick learner. He never gets too high, because he has to stay at an even keel. So I guess his name fits him, "Regular Joe.'"

Flacco has been the talk of Baltimore this week. Many of the Ravens veterans on Monday made sure Flacco didn't get a big head and stayed focused on the task at hand.

"In true NFL and Ravens fashion, he was brought down to earth by the players on a regular basis," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said smiling without elaborating.

That shouldn't be a problem for the even-keeled Flacco. Although Flacco doesn't know where his Week 1 performance will lead him this season, it appears he will continue to take this situation all in stride.

"Once you get on the field and you're around your guys, it's just football," Flacco said. "It's the same thing we've been doing for the last 20 years."

Big Fella
09-11-2008, 02:29 AM
Yeah minus the whole undefeated start, playoff appearance, Super Bowl in his 2nd season, Pro Bowl appearances....

tjack
09-11-2008, 02:43 AM
When King Mortensen or his court jester clone Adam from the NFL Network decides to give Flacco some front page/ lead story attention then I'll believe Flacco is the real deal. Until then this writer can go and cover Little League baseball for all I care.

Steel Shinin
09-11-2008, 02:50 AM
Flacco's 38-yard touchdown run demonstrated remarkable agility, put the Ravens up 17-3 in the third quarter and rocked the M&T Stadium crowd.


I stopped reading right here!!!! It was the f'kn Bengals defense. That is all. Do it against us Joe and I'll be impressed.

Steelerlyn1017
09-11-2008, 03:09 AM
2 words.

Fuck no.

Johnnylaw
09-11-2008, 06:56 AM
If anyone seen the Flacco TD run it was pathetic. Flacco was running about as slow as a QB can and likely previously stated- it was the bengals defense. Comparisons to be Big Ben already, get real.

TDX27
09-11-2008, 07:09 AM
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

SteelChamps
09-11-2008, 07:25 AM
Is it just me or are some of these sports writers getting more and more retarded every year?

markymarc
09-11-2008, 08:21 AM
I can't believe some idiot would write an article like that. Wow.......Flacco beat the Bungles his first start in the NFL. Wake me up when he puts together a full undefeated season, wins some playoff games and oh yea the super bowl.

THE flafan
09-11-2008, 08:50 AM
Don't know if anyone saw the Bus on NBC's Sunday night football extravaganza, but he was talking about how poised Flacco appeared. He said that during Ben's first season, he would come into the huddle with that "deer in the headlights" look...............

TazmanianDevil43
09-11-2008, 09:08 AM
please.......Joe Flappo can't even hold Ben's jock strap. As of right now, Ben is the best QB in the game.

in his prime, young, talent around him, accurate, strong arm, uncanny ability to escape the rush and make plays happen. Flappo has a longgg way to go.

zeus50
09-11-2008, 09:30 AM
If anyone seen the Flacco TD run it was pathetic. Flacco was running about as slow as a QB can and likely previously stated- it was the bengals defense. Comparisons to be Big Ben already, get real.

yeah he looked like vanilla vick out there.................

TazmanianDevil43
09-11-2008, 09:35 AM
yeah he looked like vanilla vick out there.................

yeah no shit i'd love him try to run on us with Woodley and Harrison guarding the outside. He'll regret it for the rest of his life.

Smooth Criminal
09-11-2008, 09:38 AM
He beat the Bengals. In Ben's first year he ended the Pats 21 game win streak and then beat the undefeated Eagles in back to back weeks. Those were the two superbowl teams that year.

Flacco has beaten one of the worst teams in the league. We'll see what he can do all year.

TazmanianDevil43
09-11-2008, 09:43 AM
Flacco has beaten one of the worst teams in the league. We'll see what he can do all year.



I say he is a bust.:D

Stryker
09-11-2008, 10:33 AM
Guys, he did it against the Bengals, but he did do it. He didn't look bad and he was playing a team that is more talented than any other team he ever faced in college. He did look poised in the pocket, and he did have a good run (even though the defense was completely fooled by it). This kid after one game easily looks better than any QB the ravens have ever had. Ravens fans should be excited. But We're still going to kill him when we see him on monday night!

toledosteel7
09-11-2008, 11:45 AM
Yeah minus the whole undefeated start, playoff appearance, Super Bowl in his 2nd season, Pro Bowl appearances....

Plus Ben had a hall of fame running back. "Yes, Mr. Bettis" in the huddle.... LMAO

Todd
09-11-2008, 11:52 AM
The Bengals may not win a game this season. The Ravens may win only two...against the Bengals.

Blitzburghv5
09-11-2008, 12:15 PM
Is it just me or are some of these sports writers getting more and more retarded every year?

Dont look too much into this story. Ratbird fans need some glimmer of hope. They got nothin else to latch onto. That Superbowl win back in 1828 is such a distant memory for em and the pain of goin from 12-4 in one season to 6-10 the next is too much to digest.

The fact that his motherfucker ran 38 yrds untouched tells me more about the pathetic ineptitude of the Bengals players and lack of defensive focus and pride than it does the talent of this tall lanky kid from Delaware. Dont think for a second he'd have that run (upright, and exposed) if Silverback or Anthony Smith was on the yard.

So yeah........this is only to bring about hope (false hope) to the city of Baltimore. Nothin more.

Steelerlyn1017
09-11-2008, 12:19 PM
I think the sportswriters need to see more than one game before they start making these comparisons.

Coryea
09-11-2008, 12:20 PM
Ben's first game action was against the best defense in NFL at the time, the Ravens. He completed 60% of his passes for close to 200 yards, had 2 INT's and 2 TD's, a QB rating of 82, in 3 quarters of play.
Flacco prepared all week as the starter, went against a very shitty Bengal defense, completed 50% of his passes for 140 yards, no INT's, no TD's, and a QB rating of 63.

Schadenfreude
09-11-2008, 12:42 PM
To be fair, how many QB's have done what Rothsliberger did as a rookie? Not many. If he's at least as good as Boller is currently, the Ravens will consider that a drastic improvement.

Sean
09-11-2008, 12:51 PM
Joe Flacco fucking sucks. Ben Roethlisberger is widely regarded as one of the top 5 QBs in the game.

ESPN is a joke.

That is all.

Aries1247
09-11-2008, 01:05 PM
I think the sportswriters need to see more than one game before they start making these comparisons.

No shit. It's amazing to me the way the media is going nuts after Week 1. Week 1 to me is like 'Preseason Game # 5' only with starters the entire time. Get back to me in late Oct. about Fuccko.

Secret Santa
09-11-2008, 01:11 PM
Is it just me or are some of these sports writers getting more and more retarded every year?

No, you are getting more and more retarded too. or is that not what you meant?

mightyguru
09-11-2008, 01:25 PM
No one expects the former Delaware standout to lead his team to 14 consecutive regular-season wins in his first year, as Roethlisberger did as a rookie.

You bet your ass they don't. Not even close...why even write this tripe?

JEFFRO
09-11-2008, 01:27 PM
Here's the recipe for the author of that crappy article:
One part wishful thinking, one part Big Ben jealousy and one part I need a story angle to keep my suck ass job!

Smooth Criminal
09-11-2008, 01:29 PM
I was on a stains board reading about how they all think theyre going to lose this sunday and I found a thread where they actually think they made the right move taking Winslow an not Ben.

Aries1247
09-11-2008, 01:32 PM
I was on a stains board reading about how they all think theyre going to lose this sunday and I found a thread where they actually think they made the right move taking Winslow an not Ben.

I don't believe it would've mattered. Cle. is as bad as Bal. when it comes to QBs. I still think Ben would be on another team by now ala Frye had he been taken by Cle.

Andymisiu
09-11-2008, 01:48 PM
Jesus ESPN must be just as bored as we are. What kinda shit is this to compare Flacco to Ben. This is a slap in the face of everything Ben accomplished in his Rookie season. The Ravens picture will become much more clear after they struggle against a team we killed. I can't wait to play the Ravens so we can show Flacco what a real defense looks like. Enjoy it while you can Rats.

SteelerFan448
09-11-2008, 08:00 PM
Let' see how Flacco does against a real NFL defense. But it is nice to see rookie QBs compared to Ben because he will forever be the standard for rookie success.

Steelerman58
09-11-2008, 09:42 PM
The only path of Ben's that I'd like to see Flacco follow is into the path of a moving car.

Stryker
09-11-2008, 09:55 PM
To be fair, how many QB's have done what Rothsliberger did as a rookie? Not many. If he's at least as good as Boller is currently, the Ravens will consider that a drastic improvement.

He has to beat Krucek's rookie stats (6-0) first before they can even think about Big Bens!

TMC
09-11-2008, 10:55 PM
I was watching NFL Network and either Woodson or Davis was commenting on Flacco's TD run....they stated that it took so long it changed from Sunday to Monday.

They were both laughing at the Cincy defense.

Hiwa Kaoru
09-11-2008, 10:57 PM
Q: Is Flacco taking the same path as Big Ben?
A: No, after all, the shitty Ratbirds signed him :D

Jaiyeson
09-11-2008, 11:11 PM
But he can throw the ball 60+ yards on his knees.

FAB802
09-11-2008, 11:19 PM
You homers don't think it's impressive that he won his first start? He may not be Ben, but to do what he did merits some kind of acknowledgment.

Jitter
09-11-2008, 11:47 PM
I think everyone is going overboard here. There are a lot of similarities between Ben and Flacco (size, arm strength, mobility, poise, small college background.) Ben is good at escaping pressure, but he is not exactly the fastest / most graceful scrambler either. What Ben did as a rookie was amazing, but he also had a very talented team around him. The Ravens D is good but their offense is lacking the weapons Ben had around him. For a rookie being forced to start the first game of the yearI think he did better than average and should improve. Does any one remember how horrible Eli manning was in his rookie year? I know it was only the Bengals D, but for some reason the Ravens have me nervous this year.

Smooth Criminal
09-11-2008, 11:57 PM
No one has said Flacco wasn't impressive or wont be good.

But he wont do what Ben did his rookie year. So taking the same path as Ben? Not gonna happen.

Doesnt mean I don't think the Ravens finally have a QB.

Stlrs4Life
09-11-2008, 11:57 PM
After 1 game? Get real.

FAB802
09-12-2008, 12:00 AM
Name his starting receivers and running back. He is in no way as good as Ben, but he played a damn good game for what he was handed. It's possible to give credit to players on other teams without being blasphemous and comparing them to our beloved players.

tjack
09-12-2008, 12:01 AM
You homers don't think it's impressive that he won his first start? He may not be Ben, but to do what he did merits some kind of acknowledgment.

Okay FAB think about this for a second.... What did Flacco do that was any better than what Matt Ryan did on Sunday? Matt's first regular season NFL pass was a touchdown strike. And he hit WR Michael "Butterfingers" Jenkins in stride and he did the rest to get into the endzone. So after watching the local tv stations hype up this rookie QB in attempt to close the Mike Vick chapter, I don't see Mr.Flacco's one game success Earth shaking and neither did ESPN-Sportscenter. But a win is a win though.

FAB802
09-12-2008, 12:06 AM
Okay FAB think about this for a second.... What did Flacco do that was any better than what Matt Ryan did on Sunday? Matt's first regular season NFL pass was a touchdown strike. And he hit WR Michael "Butterfingers" Jenkins in stride and he did the rest to get into the endzone. So after watching the local tv stations hype up this rookie QB in attempt to close the Mike Vick chapter, I don't see Mr.Flacco's one game success Earth shaking and neither did ESPN-Sportscenter. But a win is a win though.

It was no better than what Ryan did. I just don't get the uproar every time someone reads an article by some hack comparing players on other teams to our own. Who really gives a shit? We have Ben, I could give a shit less who the press compare to him. They get paid to sell papers, nothing more.

Jesse
09-12-2008, 12:10 AM
http://jilldenton.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/cart-before-horse-2.jpg

tjack
09-12-2008, 12:37 AM
Wait until the ESPN's hacks remember Ben played in a NFL game on the heels of a hurricane in 2004 just like what Flacco and his team is about to do on Monday.....it never ends!!! AURGHHHHHHH :eek:

markymarc
09-12-2008, 02:11 PM
Wait until the ESPN's hacks remember Ben played in a NFL game on the heels of a hurricane in 2004 just like what Flacco and his team is about to do on Monday.....it never ends!!! AURGHHHHHHH :eek:

You know they will be all over it if Flacco could win 2 straight.

Coryea
09-12-2008, 02:38 PM
Name his starting receivers and running back. He is in no way as good as Ben, but he played a damn good game for what he was handed. It's possible to give credit to players on other teams without being blasphemous and comparing them to our beloved players.

Ben's first action was against the best defense in the NFL at the time and he made plays regardless of who is WR's were and completed 60% of his passes. Flacco completed 50% of his passes and had a rating of like 60, yeah he won, but he didn't do much to impress anyone throwing the ball.

markymarc
09-12-2008, 09:38 PM
Ben's first action was against the best defense in the NFL at the time and he made plays regardless of who is WR's were and completed 60% of his passes. Flacco completed 50% of his passes and had a rating of like 60, yeah he won, but he didn't do much to impress anyone throwing the ball.

Exactly and yet that didn't stop the writing idiots from running with the story. Amazing how a rookie QB has a decent first game and then he is supposed to be the next Big Ben. Let's see how Flacco does with Mario Williams in his grill all night.