Worst coached team in the league

[dasimp01]

And it's not even close, MT won last year on the backs of Cowher's players, and now we're seeing MT's stamp on his team, lifeless, effortless, un-disciplined, stupid performances. Stats in this instance lie folks, this team SUCKS, and MT is to blame for it. We are now seeing his true coaching colors.

[Turbo Pig]

Only Mangina has his players less prepared

[FAB802]

And it's not even close, MT won last year on the backs of Cowher's players, and now we're seeing MT's stamp on his team, lifeless, effortless, un-disciplined, stupid performances. Stats in this instance lie folks, this team SUCKS, and MT is to blame for it. We are now seeing his true coaching colors.

The coaching top to bottom is definitely lousy right now. The garbage about Cowher's players is bullshit too. HIS team laid a fucking egg after winning the SB too.

[jasen@cardiostack]

The coaching top to bottom is definitely lousy right now. The garbage about Cowher's players is bullshit too. HIS team laid a fucking egg after winning the SB too.
after the qb bounced his head off of a car. whats tomlins excuse

[dasimp01]

Does the Quarterback coach special teams??

[Steelermania]

after the qb bounced his head off of a car. whats tomlins excuse

Nice to see you come out of the woodwork after hiding all summer.

[VAN58STEELER]

And it's not even close, MT won last year on the backs of Cowher's players, and now we're seeing MT's stamp on his team, lifeless, effortless, un-disciplined, stupid performances. Stats in this instance lie folks, this team SUCKS, and MT is to blame for it. We are now seeing his true coaching colors.

Let's face it. This guy is a dud. He Switzered his way to the SB and now we are seeing his true bland, unemotional colors. This team isn't the Patriots or Colts. They need emotion and intensity to overcome their inherent stupidity.

[steel shinin]

And it's not even close, MT won last year on the backs of Cowher's players, and now we're seeing MT's stamp on his team, lifeless, effortless, un-disciplined, stupid performances. Stats in this instance lie folks, this team SUCKS, and MT is to blame for it. We are now seeing his true coaching colors.

You're a dumbass. That is all.

[FAB802]

after the qb bounced his head off of a car. whats tomlins excuse

Yeah, that's why the entire team played like shit that season. Get lost with your weak shit. This team unfortunately is looking no different.

[JenZwain]

100 million dollar QB and he runs and dives head first...

Need I say more.

[chasing seven]

Mike Tomlin is a spectator on the sidelines on gameday. He hardly coaches anything. I never see him motivate any players like Cowher used to. They constantly come unprepared and unmotivated. He's washed.

[jasen@cardiostack]

Nice to see you come out of the woodwork after hiding all summer.

actually not hiding at all. i have still posted that tomlin and holmes suck. and guess what they both still do so go fuck yourself

[FAB802]

Yeah, he needs to spit on some bitches.

[Turbo Pig]

Have we not learned the 3 step drop yet?

[SteelAddiction]

Ben was diving for the first down playing to win and you blame him? Your dumb ass thinks Limas Sweed is GOD. You are here by eliminated from any discussions on intelligence or common sense.

[dasimp01]

Please shinin, explain. What outstanding coaching has Marvelous Mike done this year??

[Franco]

This is one sad thread.

[elfiero]

Is anyone going to bad mouth LeBeau? There is plenty of blame to go around but Arians and his play calling are the diamonds in this crown.

[steelcan58]

This is one sad thread.

Kind of goes hand in hand with today's effort

[FAB802]

Don't worry, there's gonna be some funny shit posted on here tonight.

[VAN58STEELER]

Please shinin, explain. What outstanding coaching has Marvelous Mike done this year??

Hey give Mike a break. It's week 10 and they are still a developing team and far from perfect. And they recognize that. They will go into the lab...again. And have the same performance next week....again. Then, they will acknowledge that they are still developing and they will recognized that. Then they will go into the lab....again.

No other coach has worked in the lab more than Tomlin. He's more chemist than coach.

[Franco]

lord of the flies

[Stlrs4Life]

Tomlin? It isn't him. This team lacks heart, and can care less. The entire team sucks at the moment.

[VAN58STEELER]

Tomlin? It isn't him. This team lacks heart, and can care less. The entire team sucks at the moment.

It starts with him. He puts up with shit and doesn't adjust. He doesn't hold anyone accountable.

[Madinsomniac]

It starts with him. He puts up with shit and doesn't adjust. He doesn't hold anyone accountable.

Thats bs. He has repeatedly benched players for performance and cut players for the same reason. While I agree that he needs to change up his staff, I want to point out that Cowher had a pathetic offense for years before he realized that it was the OC and not the talent level holding them back. Hell Cowher's teams had a five year strecth where they were garbage on special teams and he was a special teams guru at one time....All coaches have stuff to learn and I see little difference between Tomlin and cowher through their early years. All of you naysayers need to learn some damn history before you go screaming about the sky falling

[Franco]

I love when Steeler fans act like Cincy fans. Oh wait, no I don't.

[scstillerfan]

Yep. And we are stuck with it for a looooong time. What a waste of talent.

[steel shinin]

Please shinin, explain. What outstanding coaching has Marvelous Mike done this year??

Sure, first of all Mike Tomlin was and still is a great hire. Alot of you guys are spoiled insecure bitches and can;t handle any adversity. Watching the Steelers the last few years should tell you if anything these guys never ever give up. I know that doesn;t mean shit to you......but that is a clear indication of what has been instilled in them. Tomlin gives his assistants more freedom than most but he's in control, and it's pretty evident. The argument that he "rode" Cowhers players to a ring is the most ridiculous shit I've ever seen posted on this board. That team last year was HIS fuckin team. If you;re gonna make dumb statements like that then don;t show up and cheer for them when they win. Why would you want to cheer for a team coached by Tomlin if you think he's such a waste.

[Turbo Pig]

Sure, first of all Mike Tomlin was and still is a great hire. Alot of you guys are spoiled insecure bitches and can;t handle any adversity. Watching the Steelers the last few years should tell you if anything these guys never ever give up. I know that doesn;t mean shit to you......but that is a clear indication of what has been instilled in them. Tomlin gives his assistants more freedom than most but he's in control, and it's pretty evident. The argument that he "rode" Cowhers players to a ring is the most ridiculous shit I've ever seen posted on this board. That team last year was HIS fuckin team. If you;re gonna make dumb statements like that then don;t show up and cheer for them when they win. Why would you want to cheer for a team coached by Tomlin if you think he's such a waste.

What the fuck ever... That's biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever read... You posted not ONE fact that shows he is a good coach... blah blah blah, they don't give up, blah blah blah... No decent teams in the NFL gives up, so drop that stupid fucking argument

[scstillerfan]

The Chiefs won with a lot of people I have never heard of. That says it all.

[Phinnster]

I love when Steeler fans act like Cincy fans. Oh wait, no I don't.


I know, we shouldn't be upset that we lost to a team who had 2 wins this year.

Let's hold a fucking pep rally and scream RAH RAH RAH!

[Steelermania]

What the fuck ever... That's biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever read... You posted not ONE fact that shows he is a good coach... blah blah blah, they don't give up, blah blah blah... No decent teams in the NFL gives up, so drop that stupid fucking argument

People alway want the coach to "do something". Tomlin is not going to fire BA in the middle of the season any more than BC fired Ray Sherman or Kevin Gilbride. The one thing Tomlin needs to do, is to stop this "slinging it all over the field" bs. I want to see a real fullback next year, not some tight end moonlarking as a fullback. They seem to want Ben to be Brett Farve or Peyton Manning. Well, Brett and Payton don't have much jewelry on their fingers, do they? Having Batch passing on first down (should have been a pick six) was even dumber than the sweep.

[steel shinin]

Thats bs. He has repeatedly benched players for performance and cut players for the same reason. While I agree that he needs to change up his staff, I want to point out that Cowher had a pathetic offense for years before he realized that it was the OC and not the talent level holding them back. Hell Cowher's teams had a five year strecth where they were garbage on special teams and he was a special teams guru at one time....All coaches have stuff to learn and I see little difference between Tomlin and cowher through their early years. All of you naysayers need to learn some damn history before you go screaming about the sky falling

-CLAPS- There is some sanity left

[Franco]

I know, we shouldn't be upset that we lost to a team who had 2 wins this year.

Let's hold a fucking pep rally and scream RAH RAH RAH!

You can be upset with out trashing the people who were Gods a few weeks ago.

[FAB802]

I love when Steeler fans act like Cincy fans. Oh wait, no I don't.

In order for that do be true they would have had to at least won ONE Super Bowl. Since they have not, their fans can't comprehend what it's like for their team of superior talent to fucking choke on it against a sorry team. I have news for you Ace, their team has been that sorry team for almost their entire existence. If you want pom poms and rah rah after the second debacle of a performance in a row you may be in the wrong place.

[omar10213245]

It's morons like these why I don't post immediately after an embarrassing loss. So I don't say stupid shit and let my emotions about the team get the best of me on a goddamn message board. Jesus Christ, people.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

People alway want the coach to "do something". Tomlin is not going to fire BA in the middle of the season any more than BC fired Ray Sherman or Kevin Gilbride. The one thing Tomlin needs to do, is to stop this "slinging it all over the field" bs. I want to see a real fullback next year, not some tight end moonlarking as a fullback. They seem to want Ben to be Brett Farve or Peyton Manning. Well, Brett and Payton don't have much jewelry on their fingers, do they? Having Batch passing on first down (should have been a pick six) was even dumber than the sweep.

cowher did strip ray sherman of playcalling duties midseason, then fired him after.

[Superman]

Les Miles even thinks we're shitty.

[Franco]

In order for that do be true they would have had to at least won ONE Super Bowl. Since they have not, their fans can't comprehend what it's like for their team of superior talent to fucking choke on it against a sorry team. I have news for you Ace, their team has been that sorry team for almost their entire existence. If you want pom poms and rah rah after the second debacle of a performance in a row you may be in the wrong place.

So there's no room between "Rah rah" and "worst effing coach ever, sob"?

[Phinnster]

I want to point out that Cowher had a pathetic offense for years before he realized that it was the OC and not the talent level holding them back

Yeah if we would've had better coordinators, Kordell, Maddox and Tomczack would be in the hall of fame.

Oh and Cowher's teams NEVER gave up TD's on special teams like these guys do.

Tomlin's free ride is over, we'll see how he adapts next week.

[FAB802]

Charlie Weis won't be busy shortly.

[Lunar]

So there's no room between "Rah rah" and "worst effing coach ever, sob"?

Could you please give us your evaluation of the Steelers performance today.

[Lunar]

Charlie Weis won't be busy shortly.


Why are they closing Golden Corral?

[FAB802]

So there's no room between "Rah rah" and "worst effing coach ever, sob"?

There very well may be, but you probably won't see many of those posts here tonight. Buddy.

[FAB802]

Why are they closing Golden Corral?

He's pretty smart. He has stock, and eats them into profits.

[Illmatic]

It's morons like these why I don't post immediately after an embarrassing loss. So I don't say stupid shit and let my emotions about the team get the best of me on a goddamn message board. Jesus Christ, people.

THANK YOU. It's hilarious how after a win someone will be praising a player or coach as a God then after a loss they act like he's the worst thing ever to happen to the Steelers.

[Eastshoresteelerfan]

Yeah if we would've had better coordinators, Kordell, Maddox and Tomczack would be in the hall of fame.

Oh and Cowher's teams NEVER gave up TD's on special teams like these guys do.

Tomlin's free ride is over, we'll see how he adapts next week.

Gawd, I can hardly wait for that game. Troy or not, we lost to a pitiful team today ~ we became the pitiful team.

[JerseySteel]

Today was an extremely disappointing game a very tough loss but I am not buying into this worst coached team in the league BS, The Steelers will rebound and play well down the stretch.

[Franco]

Could you please give us your evaluation of the Steelers performance today.

Crappy. They don't have the want to. And they thought it would be an easy week. No one should be proud. But we shouldn't fire and cut everyone.

[FAB802]

I don't recall a lot of God talk with this team this season. You boys may be confusing this place with Patsies.com.

[Stlrs4Life]

I agree, he is a still a good coach. Spoiled, no doubt. But it is pathetic to the way they play. They did give up. Game basically changed on when we failed to hold them on 3rd and 9. And a very enemic offense afterwards.

[****ARIANS]

He's pretty smart. He has stock, and eats them into profits.

Also is one of belicheats Students..and we've seen what they all have done

[****ARIANS]

I have no problem with the coaching staff other then Arians.. I don't think the special teams is the coach's fault, I prefer to blame jeff reed for kicking it to the 10 everytime

[FAB802]

The funny thing is this place isn't a lot different sometimes after wins. Even when the Steelers win there are always people who have issues with the players and coaches. I don't get what some of you expect to see after a game like today. That team we lost to today is awful. There is no legitimate reason why we shouldn't have kicked the shit out of them. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be pissed, and post irrational shit for a couple hours. In the grand scheme of things is it really hurting you that much to read it?

[Stlrs4Life]

You can be upset with out trashing the people who were Gods a few weeks ago.


They deserve every bit of it. You think they really care? If they do, they sure show a tough way of showing it.

[Stlrs4Life]

Today was an extremely disappointing game a very tough loss but I am not buying into this worst coached team in the league BS, The Steelers will rebound and play well down the stretch.


Keep dreaming, I tried the same logic after last weeks debacle.

[Phinnster]

I think MT will make some adjustments and we'll scrape out a W next week, I have to some hope after the debacle I watched today.

[Steelers Rule!]

Please shinin, explain. What outstanding coaching has Marvelous Mike done this year??

Oh, I don't know, maybe like handing Minnesota a loss, Denver a loss, the Bolts a loss. Go fuck your self, you self appointed fucking football god.


Is anyone going to bad mouth LeBeau? There is plenty of blame to go around but Arians and his play calling are the diamonds in this crown.

Anyone want to bitch about the offensive play calling this week? They put up 24 points and were moving down field well in OT, until Ben got hurt. Once again, on the road, the defense gives up the big plays in the second half to let a team come back and win.


What the fuck ever... That's biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever read... You posted not ONE fact that shows he is a good coach... blah blah blah, they don't give up, blah blah blah... No decent teams in the NFL gives up, so drop that stupid fucking argument

He managed wins over damn good teams this year. Remeber Minnesota, Denver and San Diego?

And oh by the way, where's your usual "Timmons is a bust" post? After the game he had today

[Litos]

The same problems since the begining of the season, STs suck, B.A has never stopped sucking. Tomlin should get on their asses all the way home

[Turbo Pig]

Oh, I don't know, maybe like handing Minnesota a loss, Denver a loss, the Bolts a loss. Go fuck your self, you self appointed fucking football god.



Anyone want to bitch about the offensive play calling this week? They put up 24 points and were moving down field well in OT, until Ben got hurt. Once again, on the road, the defense gives up the big plays in the second half to let a team come back and win.



He managed wins over damn good teams this year. Remeber Minnesota, Denver and San Diego?

And oh by the way, where's your usual "Timmons is a bust" post? After the game he had today


Actually idiot, I said Timmons isn't a bust, but he'll never be anything special

[Burghthing]

Today was an extremely disappointing game a very tough loss but I am not buying into this worst coached team in the league BS, The Steelers will rebound and play well down the stretch.

Wanna bet? What on earth have you witnessed to make you think that BA is suddenly going to grow a brain? Or Ligashesky? Or that Tomlin will grow a set?

[Burghthing]

Im thinking you will have to change your user name. Dont thinhk thats gonna fly with DD. But I do agree. Fuck Arians.

I'm thinking that name needs to stick.

[Steelers1356]

MT needs to give the team another week off. That should fix things.

[Phinnster]

I'm wondering how much involvement Tomlin has with our offense, if it isn't much, that needs to change soon. Ditto for special teams.

[****ARIANS]

One bright spot from today was mendenhall.. I loved the effort he showed and without him we get beat by 10 easily

[dasimp01]

Yeah, we sure "handed" Minny that loss, oh wait, that was them "handing" us the win. Also, our only points in the 2nd half today came after a fumble in their own red-zone. As usual, our offense fowled up the 2nd half because of HORRIBLE halftime adjustments, they did NOTHING in the 2nd half that wasn't given to them.

[Steelers Rule!]

I have no problem with the coaching staff other then Arians.. I don't think the special teams is the coach's fault, I prefer to blame jeff reed for kicking it to the 10 everytime

With a user name like that, how the FUCK do you NOT hold Ligashesky responsible for the debacle that is ST's? Are you retarded?


Actually idiot, I said Timmons isn't a bust, but he'll never be anything special

Horseshit, you stated numerous times in the old board that Timmons was a bust and a waste of space. Only recently have you moderated even slightly to say "he'll never be special". You, sir are invited to go eat broken glass and die in a fire.

[chasing seven]

Welker is the shit. Oops wrong thread.

[Phinnster]

One bright spot from today was mendenhall.. I loved the effort he showed and without him we get beat by 10 easily

Too bad he wasn't on the field in OT when it was 3 & 2 at the 53 yardline.

[chasing seven]

With a user name like that, how the FUCK do you NOT hold Ligashesky responsible for the debacle that is ST's? Are you retarded?



Horseshit, you stated numerous times in the old board that Timmons was a bust and a waste of space. Only recently have you moderated even slightly to say "he'll never be special". You, sir are invited to go eat broken glass and die in a fire.
Calm down bro. You need to check yourself. Are you a self proclaimed God or something?

[****ARIANS]

With a user name like that, how the FUCK do you NOT hold Ligashesky responsible for the debacle that is ST's? Are you retarded?



Horseshit, you stated numerous times in the old board that Timmons was a bust and a waste of space. Only recently have you moderated even slightly to say "he'll never be special". You, sir are invited to go eat broken glass and die in a fire.

what the fuck do you expect him to do when nobody can tackle.. They look like abunch of pee wee players

[Steelers Rule!]

Yeah, we sure "handed" Minny that loss, oh wait, that was them "handing" us the win. Also, our only points in the 2nd half today came after a fumble in their own red-zone. As usual, our offense fowled up the 2nd half because of HORRIBLE halftime adjustments, they did NOTHING in the 2nd half that wasn't given to them.

Hey, dachimp, the DEFENSE messed up the second half. They made NO adjustments and let a team that they held to <50 yards in the first half run all over them. Or weren't you paying any fucking attention?

[****ARIANS]

Too bad he wasn't on the field in OT when it was 3 &amp; 2 at the 53 yardline.

or too bad nobody stepped up and said "A toss play won't fucking work"

[Aged Steel]

This team has been out coached the past 2 weeks. They were out coached in every loss this season. Arians is an average OC at best. ST coach is a bust. OL line coach is a bust. Tomlin needs to take charge and pull his head out of his ass. This ship is sinking.

[****ARIANS]

For some reason, that toss play reminded me of the playoffs against Jacksonville 2 years ago when he ran that damn QB Draw

[dasimp01]

I would be madder at our defense if they had the 2 best players, no excuses for the offense and ST's to piss away yet another game like that. The O hung them out to dry, they were on the field WAY too long in the 2nd half and were clearly worn out.

[****ARIANS]

This team has been out coached the past 2 weeks. They were out coached in every loss this season. Arians is an average OC at best. ST coach is a bust. OL line coach is a bust. Tomlin needs to take charge and pull his head out of his ass. This ship is sinking.

The only time he looks like a good OC is when he lets ben call the plays

[Turbo Pig]

With a user name like that, how the FUCK do you NOT hold Ligashesky responsible for the debacle that is ST's? Are you retarded?



Horseshit, you stated numerous times in the old board that Timmons was a bust and a waste of space. Only recently have you moderated even slightly to say &quot;he'll never be special&quot;. You, sir are invited to go eat broken glass and die in a fire.

you are a douche bag... I always said he's a bust as a first rounder but he will stick in the league for a while and never stand out... Fucking moron

[MillerTime83]

Anyone want to bitch about the offensive play calling this week? They put up 24 points and were moving down field well in OT, until Ben got hurt. Once again, on the road, the defense gives up the big plays in the second half to let a team come back and win.

Scoring 24 points against the Chiefs (one of which was after a turnover in Kansas City territory) is hardly something to be bragging about.

[scstillerfan]

We gave up another kick return TD and three turnovers, and the defense is to blame?

[****ARIANS]

Anyone want to bitch about the offensive play calling this week? They put up 24 points and were moving down field well in OT, until Ben got hurt. Once again, on the road, the defense gives up the big plays in the second half to let a team come back and win.

Okay, lets not complain about running a toss on 3rd and 2 that knocked us out of a chance at a field goal.. Or that we don't run the ball ever in the redzone.. What the hell is up with 5 wide in the redzone on first down

[Steel G]

I put this all on the coaches too. Two weeks in a row they've not been ready to play nor have there been any correct in-game adjustments. When you keep seeing the same mental mistakes week in and week out, that's coaching IMO.

[scrapdog]

LOL - and some scoffed at my suggestion that the Steelers could benefit greatly by bringing in an offensive consultant. < shakes head >

[dasimp01]

MT is all talk and no substance. He's saying that, but he won't change a dang thing.

[****ARIANS]

LOL - and some scoffed at my suggestion that the Steelers could benefit greatly by bringing in an offensive consultant. &lt; shakes head &gt;

How about just bringing in another offensive coordinator

[tapeANaspirin2it]

don't worry, soon it will be cold enough for Tomlin to wear the puffy coat. That's his late season adjustment.

[Steelermania]

don't worry, soon it will be cold enough for Tomlin to wear the puffy coat. That's his late season adjustment.

We're worried about what type of coat the coach wears? What do you want him to wear?

[chasing seven]

don't worry, soon it will be cold enough for Tomlin to wear the puffy coat. That's his late season adjustment.
Yep. He will wear it unzipped so we all can see his hoody underneath. Atleast he will still have his shades and he will be line up with a clean hair cut

[CAH]

Tomlin in his presser took full responsibility. Said the preparation was lacking.
If Tomlin said that lack of preparation was the problem, then Tomlin must go. His job is to prepare the team, isn't it?

[FAB802]

I would be madder at our defense if they had the 2 best players, no excuses for the offense and ST's to piss away yet another game like that. The O hung them out to dry, they were on the field WAY too long in the 2nd half and were clearly worn out.

You do realize that TOP was Steelers 44:07 to Chiefs 22:05, right? That is always the bullshit excuse when the defense lays an egg. 24 points isn't great on our part, but IF our defense is as good as some believe they can't give up twenty to that team today. They did a great job holding them after the long INT return, but they are just as responsible for losing this game as anyone else. If playing 22 minutes total is too much for them they may be in the wrong line of work.

[****ARIANS]

Yep. He will wear it unzipped so we all can see his hoody underneath. Atleast he will still have his shades and he will be line up with a clean hair cut
And he'll keep his cute little headset

[****ARIANS]

You do realize that TOP was Steelers 44:07 to Chiefs 22:05, right? That is always the bullshit excuse when the defense lays an egg. 24 points isn't great on our part, but IF our defense is as good as some believe they can't give up twenty to that team today. They did a great job holding them after the long INT return, but they are just as responsible for losing this game as anyone else. If playing 22 minutes total is too much for them they may be in the wrong line of work.

Yeah, If they are that tired they might need to get there ass on a treadmill

[Steelermania]

You do realize that TOP was Steelers 44:07 to Chiefs 22:05, right? That is always the bullshit excuse when the defense lays an egg. 24 points isn't great on our part, but IF our defense is as good as some believe they can't give up twenty to that team today. They did a great job holding them after the long INT return, but they are just as responsible for losing this game as anyone else. If playing 22 minutes total is too much for them they may be in the wrong line of work.

The defense gave up 14, not 24.

[FAB802]

We're worried about what type of coat the coach wears? What do you want him to wear?

He should be forced to coach shirtless with a big Steelers logo painted on his chest. That would pump the team up big time!

[FAB802]

The defense gave up 14, not 24.

WE scored 24. ST gave up seven. Who's responsible for the rest then?

[Steelermania]

WE scored 24. ST gave up seven. Who's responsible for the rest then?

The d can't be blamed for the fg after the pick.

[Steeltime]

Tomlin in his presser took full responsibility. Said the preparation was lacking.

I would feel better if he had not said the same thing last week after the flaccid effort vs. the Bungles.

Tomlin accepting blame and admitting that the team was not prepared, two weeks in a row, does not engender any confidence.

[scrapdog]

How about just bringing in another offensive coordinator

WE ALL fucking want that. With him obviously not going anywhere during this season, I suggested the next best thing is to bring in someone who's more versed in the areas that he totally sucks-ass at. Grant it, he knows how to design good plays but he simply doesn't know how to implement them. I believe he'd accept the idea of bringing some guru in to help with open arms. It must be getting old to him to hear on a daily basis he blows.

[FAB802]

The d can't be blamed for the fg after the pick.

I said they did a great job holding them there. They were on the field for 22 minutes. They gave up seventeen points, if the ten you mention aren't on them in those 22 minutes. I can't be the only person who thinks the defense has been lacking in a lot of games this year. They weren't playing NE or Indy today for crying out loud. If your defense is supposed to be as good as they are advertised then they have to be able to hold the Chiefs in OT. 5 plays, 76 yards in 1:32. That's on them, and them alone. It's a moot point anyways, this was a bad loss that every single player and coach contributed too. The rest is just semantics.

[scrapdog]

I think the ST's coach is a little confused on what films he should be studying to prepare our kicking teams....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHL5btNb7eE

[SteelChip]

My avatar is how I feel about this team today. A bunch of fucking circus monkeys.

OK.....how did you get a monkey before we did ?

[stillwright]

I have no problem with the coaching staff other then Arians.. I don't think the special teams is the coach's fault, I prefer to blame jeff reed for kicking it to the 10 everytime

Really? I would never of guessed you for an Arians hater.

[Lunar]

I have a team of 20 cirucs monkeys. My client is full of circus monkeys. Im a professional circus monkey trainer.

May I touch your monkey.

[RoonGang09]

Haven't given up on this team yet this year and wont until I know we're eliminated from playoff contention. But Tomlin is a young couch and I believe its about time he has a really bad year because now he has something to learn from which will not only make him a better coach, it will make our team better in the long run. Dont write him off yet.


HERE

[Lunar]

you can do whatever you want

IN that case I'll go take a shower first.

[RoonGang09]

Haven't given up on this team yet this year and wont until I know we're eliminated from playoff contention. But Tomlin is a young couch and I believe its about time he has a really bad year because now he has something to learn from which will not only make him a better coach, it will make our team better in the long run. Dont write him off yet.


HERE WE GO STEE---LERS, HERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CAH]

WE scored 24. ST gave up seven. Who's responsible for the rest then?
I hate math problems.

[FAB802]

I appreciate that lol

You have no idea how much your monkey will appreciate that either.

[Lunar]

I hate math problems.


Did you lose your abacus?

[PJSkiboy]

You're a dumbass. That is all.

+2 rep points.

[cutty]

This thread has to rank in the top 5 of most stupid I have ever started to read, am not even going to finish reading it and wasting my time.

[z500zag]

Have we not learned the 3 step drop yet?

Yeah, but 3 step drop = Ben sack -- because he never, ever throws it when his 3 foot hits the ground. He stands there looking for some amazing play as usual. I'd love to see more 3 step to help our line, but it doesn't work with Ben.

[dasimp01]

Even if we lose every game the rest of the year, MT is NOT going to make any changes whatsoever, he is too much an arrogant a-hole to admit that he was wrong to any degree.

[jse17]

after the qb bounced his head off of a car. whats tomlins excuse

No question it is a good thing that no QB distractions exist this season!

[omar10213245]

The funny thing is this place isn't a lot different sometimes after wins. Even when the Steelers win there are always people who have issues with the players and coaches. I don't get what some of you expect to see after a game like today. That team we lost to today is awful. There is no legitimate reason why we shouldn't have kicked the shit out of them. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be pissed, and post irrational shit for a couple hours. In the grand scheme of things is it really hurting you that much to read it?

It is irritating to read over and over and over, with new post after new post about basically the same things. i understand that people get pissed, i was IRATE during pretty much all of the game. it's called keeping a level head during trying times. we're not out of it yet, yet people act like we're the second-coming of the detroit lions. at the beginning of the season, people gladly hang onto the thrill ride that is the nutsack of mike tomlin, and now everyone is calling him a fraud?? people are frustrated, i understand that, i am one of them. however, a lot of times (and ALL teams' message boards experience this), people will bitch, just to bitch, everyone wants everyone else to know why shitty stuff is happening, yet not one person on this board has ever been in a steeler team meeting, an in-season practice, etc. you don't think its "unreasonable" to post "irrational" shit??

[VAN58STEELER]

He should be forced to coach shirtless with a big Steelers logo painted on his chest. That would pump the team up big time!

YES! That would definitely endear me to him. Instead of his complete emotionless response that I so often see.

[SteelAddiction]

This thread has to rank in the top 5 of most stupid I have ever started to read, am not even going to finish reading it and wasting my time.

Yet you still find it worth your time to type up a post telling us how you are not going to read it. Whatever

[Steelersrule]

And oh by the way, where's your usual "Timmons is a bust" post? After the game he had today

Timmons was who was covering the Chiefs number 1 wr Chris Chambers, when Chambers made his big play in OT

[defender]

I guess you didn't notice Ike jogging on the play thinking Chambers was going to go out of bounds. Right blame a linebacker for not covering the #1 receiver.

[Steelersrule]

I guess you didn't notice Ike jogging on the play thinking Chambers was going to go out of bounds. Right blame a linebacker for not covering the #1 receiver.

I was more commenting on the wise position assignment of assigning a LB against the best wr.

[ClevelandSteel]

Don't give me "I don't walk by 5 rushing title" garbage. Pittsburgh's trying to change the what's been successful for them for so many years...and what's worse is they have better personnel than last year. You have Mendenhall USE HIM. Run him till his flippin wheels fall off or whatever cute expression you want to use Tomlin. I remember when the Steelers went pass-happy a few years back with "Tommy Gun". The defense doesn't have nearly as much time to rest as they did last year, AND POLOMALU IS OUT! They've gone west-coast. This is the west-coast offense ladies and gentlemen. Dink and Dunk, wide receiver screens every other flippin play. I don't like it, but hey maybe Ben will make the Pro Bowl. Hey Tomlin how about this cliche' "If ain't broke don't fix it"

[Steel 83]

Hines lays it on the coaching staff tonight saying they have to look at themselves and get better.

[Steelerman]

I was never anti-Tomlin....but it is truly shocking how he always has such tremendous trouble when playing below average teams. It's alarming.

[Steelerman]

"The coaches have to put us in a better position," said Hines Ward, as tenured a Steelers player as you can find and a man who had just wasted a 10-catch, 128-yard performance. "All of us have to look in the mirror, but we're all in this together; the coaches have to evaluate themselves as much was we do."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09327/1015677-150.stm

When the players call out the coaching staff....you KNOW there's a problem.

[VAN58STEELER]

Woah. That's serious.

[Phinnster]

"The coaches have to put us in a better position," said Hines Ward,

Hines Ward isn't a real fan, he's just a bandwagoner!

[jasen@cardiostack]

now what do the real fans have to say. the players now stating what us fake fans are saying. interesting

[Vader]

now what do the real fans have to say. the players now stating what us fake fans are saying. interesting

Ward doesn't know what he is talking about... he just plays the game, he doesn't coach it~~~ real fans

[Rod Farva]

and you dont think its unreasonable to be fucking aggravated after the IRRATIONAL SHIT that went on in KC? Its a good thing I dont have a dog, it would have got kicked yesterd.

Kickin' dogs 'n trainin' monkeys........should be your sig

[blkgld4lifer]

The coaching top to bottom is definitely lousy right now. The garbage about Cowher's players is bullshit too. HIS team laid a fucking egg after winning the SB too.

Thank you. I can't believe someone even posted something this idiotic. Not saying the coaches shouldn't take
responsibility as well as the coaches but this crap about Tomlin winning with Cowher's players is total bullshit.

[Vader]

Thank you. I can't believe someone even posted something this idiotic. Not saying the coaches shouldn't take
responsibility as well as the coaches but this crap about Tomlin winning with Cowher's players is total bullshit.

The majority of this team that won the SB were Cowher players. Ben, Hines, Holmes, Starks, Miller, WP, Smith, Hampton, Washington, Townsend, Taylor, Keisel, Troy, Clark and probably more than I forgot. Woodley is the only player I remember to have any impact from Tomlin's draft.

Everybody discredits Gruden winning the SB with Dungy's players but Tomlin took over a SB winning team with the 98% of the players that had already won a SB.

[TMC]

And it's not even close, MT won last year on the backs of Cowher's players, and now we're seeing MT's stamp on his team, lifeless, effortless, un-disciplined, stupid performances. Stats in this instance lie folks, this team SUCKS, and MT is to blame for it. We are now seeing his true coaching colors.

I thought I would take a minute to point this out, of the 53 man roster that Cowher ended the 2008 season with (a 6-10 season), only 30 remained on the opening roster for the 2008 game. That is a 43% turnover of the roster between Cowher's final game and Tomlin's first game of the 2008 season.

In addition, by the middle of the season, Tomlin had new starters (not Cowher's guys) at FB (Davis), LG (Kemo), C (Hartwig), RG (Stapleton), OLB (Harrison and Woodley, Cowher started Porter and Haggans), and CB (McFadden). I could have also mentioned that Starks was not a starter with Cowher, but he also did not start with Tomlin.

We have also witness growth from Starks, Colon, Ben, Harrison, and others SINCE Cowher left, but I guess it was Cowher's great coaching...it just took a couple seasons to take.

Cowher takes 14 seasons with his guys to win it all. Tomlin does it in 2. I like Cowher as much as the next guy, but lets remove our head from our ass.

[TMC]

On more thing, the Super Bowl roster showed a 50% turnover from the 2006 final roster under Cowher. Half the players Cowher ended with did not make the 53 man Super Bowl roster. Half.

[Madinsomniac]

Logic has no seat at this table. you should know that....

[SteelerFan448]

In addition, by the middle of the season, Tomlin had new starters (not Cowher's guys) at FB (Davis), LG (Kemo), C (Hartwig), RG (Stapleton), OLB (Harrison and Woodley, Cowher started Porter and Haggans), and CB (McFadden). I could have also mentioned that Starks was not a starter with Cowher, but he also did not start with Tomlin.

We have also witness growth from Starks, Colon, Ben, Harrison, and others SINCE Cowher left, but I guess it was Cowher's great coaching...it just took a couple seasons to take.

Cowher takes 14 seasons with his guys to win it all. Tomlin does it in 2. I like Cowher as much as the next guy, but lets remove our head from our ass.

While they didn't start under Cowher, he drafted a lot of those players and we all know that it took awhile for young players to take over for veterans. Starks was also a starter in Super Bowl XL. BTW, I'm fine with Tomlin and not sure why we are even comparing the guy to Cowher any more because he is not coming back to coach this team.

[TMC]

While they didn't start under Cowher, he drafted a lot of those players and we all know that it took awhile for young players to take over for veterans. Starks was also a starter in Super Bowl XL. BTW, I'm fine with Tomlin and not sure why we are even comparing the guy to Cowher any more because he is not coming back to coach this team.

Lets really be honest here, Cowher had input, but he did not draft those guys. Kevin Colbert is and has been responsible for drafting players and signing veterans. Colbert is the personnel guy. Now, he takes input from a variety of areas, but he still makes the call.

And, if it was simply the addition of talent, then the argument is not against Tomlin as a coach, but against Tomlin as a personnel evaluator. I am sorry, but you cannot convince me that Cowher coached Willie Colon so well but it just took a couple years for it to take. Ben really took a step forward under Tomlin. Colbert with Tomlin has added Mendenhall, Wallace, Timmons, Woodley, and others that appear to be great young talent.

I understand we stumbled, but we stumbled under Cowher too. We lost to Cleveland when they were an expansion team. We lost to Oakland. We dropped plenty of games where the Steelers were heavy favorites under Cowher. It happens. It happens to every team. You just have to put it behind you and learn from it. It is time to move forward.

[Vader]

Lets really be honest here, Cowher had input, but he did not draft those guys. Kevin Colbert is and has been responsible for drafting players and signing veterans. Colbert is the personnel guy. Now, he takes input from a variety of areas, but he still makes the call.

And, if it was simply the addition of talent, then the argument is not against Tomlin as a coach, but against Tomlin as a personnel evaluator. I am sorry, but you cannot convince me that Cowher coached Willie Colon so well but it just took a couple years for it to take. Ben really took a step forward under Tomlin. Colbert with Tomlin has added Mendenhall, Wallace, Timmons, Woodley, and others that appear to be great young talent.

I understand we stumbled, but we stumbled under Cowher too. We lost to Cleveland when they were an expansion team. We lost to Oakland. We dropped plenty of games where the Steelers were heavy favorites under Cowher. It happens. It happens to every team. You just have to put it behind you and learn from it. It is time to move forward.

So Cowher had NOTHING to do with Colon but Ben "took a step forward" with Tomlin??? You really believe Tomlin has coached Ben??? Cowher had Ben when he was a rookie and won 13 games. Then won a SB with a 2nd year Ben. Then had a car accident, appendectomy, concussion Ben his last year. Tomlin has had the more experienced Ben NOT the kid Ben. But I guess none of that counts.

The fact is the core players from our 06' team were still here for the 08' SB. I rattled many of them off. I don't care if they turned over 50% of their backup and STs players. That isn't the issue.

[Stryker]

So Cowher had NOTHING to do with Colon but Ben &quot;took a step forward&quot; with Tomlin??? You really believe Tomlin has coached Ben??? Cowher had Ben when he was a rookie and won 13 games. Then won a SB with a 2nd year Ben. Then had a car accident, appendectomy, concussion Ben his last year. Tomlin has had the more experienced Ben NOT the kid Ben. But I guess none of that counts.

The fact is the core players from our 06' team were still here for the 08' SB. I rattled many of them off. I don't care if they turned over 50% of their backup and STs players. That isn't the issue.

I fail to see how this argument has any merit. A team that builds by the draft has a low player turnover ratio from year to year. That has to do with personnel, not coaching. Neither Tomlin nor Cowher had control over that. They just coach.

I also remember Ben his rookie years. He made fewer throws his rookie year, but completed his chances on 3rd down. His second year, they gave him more freedom and he was the reason why we won our 3 playoff games to win the Superbowl despite his low rating. Now Ben is a field manager. He is making the decisions and leading this team on game scoring drives. I believe Ben's progression is more because of himself than because of coaching.

You want hard facts for Tomlin's coaching: He is 28-14 as a head coach and made playoffs his first 2 years. He won a Superbowl in his 2nd season. He consistently puts his players in position to succeed i.e. he has one of the highest 4th and short attempt rates in the league and goes for it just about anywhere on the field. He holds his players accountable: Mendenhall and Sweed have both sat this season for being unprepared or non productive. This has fired Mendy up to becoming our full time starter. Jury is still out on Sweed. You can't blame a guy who has been nothing but a class act guy and ask for his head before anything negative has truly happened to this team. Are we out of the playoffs? No. Are we out of competing for a division title? No.

Failure and success in the NFL are a very slim difference. Every game comes down to a couple plays. We were on the wrong side last week. We have a lot of injuries, though I know our coach doesn't look for that as an excuse, but it still does effect the level of talent we have on the field. Also plays are called because the OC and DC thinks they give us the best chance in succeeding. Once the play is called, it comes down to execution by the players. It is not Tomlin or Dick's fault that Gay didn't stay outside on the receiver cross for the wide open TD. Gay made a mistake and we gave up 7 because of it.

The game is played by players and coached by coaches. Tomlin's decisions are not losing games for us. Right now I believe our execution is still to blame. We are not as crisp on either side of the ball (all 3 phases actually) as we were at the end of last year, but we still have 6 more games to get it together. If we're playing our best football in week 17, we will be making another run for a Lombardi this year. And that is all you can ask for out of your football team.

[Vader]

I fail to see how this argument has any merit. A team that builds by the draft has a low player turnover ratio from year to year. That has to do with personnel, not coaching. Neither Tomlin nor Cowher had control over that. They just coach.

I also remember Ben his rookie years. He made fewer throws his rookie year, but completed his chances on 3rd down. His second year, they gave him more freedom and he was the reason why we won our 3 playoff games to win the Superbowl despite his low rating. Now Ben is a field manager. He is making the decisions and leading this team on game scoring drives. I believe Ben's progression is more because of himself than because of coaching.

You want hard facts for Tomlin's coaching: He is 28-14 as a head coach and made playoffs his first 2 years. He won a Superbowl in his 2nd season. He consistently puts his players in position to succeed i.e. he has one of the highest 4th and short attempt rates in the league and goes for it just about anywhere on the field. He holds his players accountable: Mendenhall and Sweed have both sat this season for being unprepared or non productive. This has fired Mendy up to becoming our full time starter. Jury is still out on Sweed. You can't blame a guy who has been nothing but a class act guy and ask for his head before anything negative has truly happened to this team. Are we out of the playoffs? No. Are we out of competing for a division title? No.

Failure and success in the NFL are a very slim difference. Every game comes down to a couple plays. We were on the wrong side last week. We have a lot of injuries, though I know our coach doesn't look for that as an excuse, but it still does effect the level of talent we have on the field. Also plays are called because the OC and DC thinks they give us the best chance in succeeding. Once the play is called, it comes down to execution by the players. It is not Tomlin or Dick's fault that Gay didn't stay outside on the receiver cross for the wide open TD. Gay made a mistake and we gave up 7 because of it.

The game is played by players and coached by coaches. Tomlin's decisions are not losing games for us. Right now I believe our execution is still to blame. We are not as crisp on either side of the ball (all 3 phases actually) as we were at the end of last year, but we still have 6 more games to get it together. If we're playing our best football in week 17, we will be making another run for a Lombardi this year. And that is all you can ask for out of your football team.

So you think Barry Switzer is a good coach??? You need to re-read what I was talking about. TMC was arguing that Cowher had nothing to do with Colon's development yet in the next breath he states that Ben "took a step forward" with Tomlin. How is that possible when Tomlin has NOTHING to do with the QB position. He was a defensive backs coach most of his time in the NFL and only a DC for one year. Either the HC has something to do with individual player development or he doesn't. If he does then Cowher should get credit for it as well. If not then Tomlin can't get credit for Ben.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Lets really be honest here, Cowher had input, but he did not draft those guys. Kevin Colbert is and has been responsible for drafting players and signing veterans. Colbert is the personnel guy. Now, he takes input from a variety of areas, but he still makes the call.

And, if it was simply the addition of talent, then the argument is not against Tomlin as a coach, but against Tomlin as a personnel evaluator. I am sorry, but you cannot convince me that Cowher coached Willie Colon so well but it just took a couple years for it to take. Ben really took a step forward under Tomlin. Colbert with Tomlin has added Mendenhall, Wallace, Timmons, Woodley, and others that appear to be great young talent.

I understand we stumbled, but we stumbled under Cowher too. We lost to Cleveland when they were an expansion team. We lost to Oakland. We dropped plenty of games where the Steelers were heavy favorites under Cowher. It happens. It happens to every team. You just have to put it behind you and learn from it. It is time to move forward.


Cowher won a power struggle with Tom Donahoe and Colbert was brought in to replace him. From that point, cowher was the biggest voice in personnel decisions, not Colbert. Colbert was brought in to be a weak GM, meaning he takes his direction from the coach. This has continued under Tomlin.

How else would you explain the fact that as soon as Tomlin took over, the Steelers started drafting a different type of player than they did under Cowher? If Colbert was the guy calling the shots, then why would his philosophy suddenly shift when a new coach took over? Colbert does have input and i'm sure he did convince both coaches to draft some of the players, but the notion that he is the most powerful voice in personnel decisions is wrong.

[Bobki100]

Tomlin? It isn't him. This team lacks heart, and can care less. The entire team sucks at the moment.

It started in training camp...or should we say club med.Days off ,1/2 days.Go to the Steelers training facility and Tomlin has put in pool tables
ping pong tables,heck I bet they even have internet rooms.Ever see him on the sideline after a postive play...he all but kisses the player on the sideline.I'm not much for motovation,I believe the coach should have the team ready to play along with the coaching staff.Rah,rah stuff only lasts 'till the first play is run.Also a lackadaisical effort on the,such as the 2 interception returns,including Holmes trotting after Stuebaker expending no energy and the second return only Mendenhall was there to make the tackle.This is a lazy team who thinks 'hey were SB champs,It will be OK."

[60 MINUTES]

Cowher won a power struggle with Tom Donahoe and Colbert was brought in to replace him. From that point, cowher was the biggest voice in personnel decisions, not Colbert. Colbert was brought in to be a weak GM, meaning he takes his direction from the coach. This has continued under Tomlin.

How else would you explain the fact that as soon as Tomlin took over, the Steelers started drafting a different type of player than they did under Cowher? If Colbert was the guy calling the shots, then why would his philosophy suddenly shift when a new coach took over? Colbert does have input and i'm sure he did convince both coaches to draft some of the players, but the notion that he is the most powerful voice in personnel decisions is wrong.



You are correct. I'm just jumping into this but you are right on the money. Win Tom Donahoe left Cowher took full control of the operations. thats why Tom was kicked out. The Rooneys made the call. I think Kevin and Bill worked together well but Cowher got what he wanted. Same thing is going on with Tomlin. I agree we are drafting different under Tomlin then with Cowher.

At the same time I'm not gonna Throw mike under the bus yet. For the first time the spotlight is on him and we will see first hand what he really has. The Big talk approach is not gonna cut it now. its time for action. Lets see what the kid can go now the heat is on.