Remember this argument?

[Superman]

Some peni here said they'd not trade Tommy Maddox for Bret Favre straight-up.

Where's this tool now?

[LetMePlay]

Depends. Was it in reference to an NFL QB or selling insurance?

[Superman]

as pertaining to playing the QB position in the NFL.

This was before the addition of Roethlisberger.

[Coryea]

I remember that arguement, it was hilarious, can't remember who it was that said that and I'm sure they won't step up and admit it.

[LetMePlay]

Hey I got flamed for saying that Maddox was no better than Stewart. Was a better passer but not a better QB overall. They were both playing out of position. Stewart was better as slash and Maddox was better at selling insurance.

[Superman]

moot point, LetMe

the argument was that some tool here said they'd NEVER trade Tommy Maddox for Favre in a 1-1 trade.

[LetMePlay]

Tommy Maddox = Brett Farve

Nate Washington = Jerry Rice

[BermudaSteel]

Tommy Maddox = Brett Farve

Nate Washington = Jerry Rice

I think I just had a stroke.:eek:

[t-man]

I was the guy who said it. It was right after the season where Brett had thrown 7 interceptions in a playoff game, and I was amazed at the amount of shit Tommy was taking for tossing a few during the regular season. Brett has cut down on the INT's and Tommy forgot how to drop back and pass after the injury, but at that point in time, no way in hell would I have taken Favre over Tommy. And if he implodes in the playoff game this Sunday with 7 picks again, then what? I think Favre is a great guy, and a heck of a football player, but this is a town that ran Neil out of town for 2 picks in the SB, and people were here pimping Favre after 7 Picks in a playoff game, it just blew my mind.

Joe

[LetMePlay]

Farve has a body of work in the NFL that is on par with the best to ever play. Tommy Maddox, no so much.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

I might give up Sean Mahan for Favre......

[Hines57]

Farve has a body of work in the NFL that is on par with the best to ever play. Tommy Maddox, no so much.
Favre has most of the major passing records in the league. If he comes back next year I'm sure he'll get the ones he doesnt already have and he'll get some growth in his new records.

[Aries1247]

I was the guy who said it. It was right after the season where Brett had thrown 7 interceptions in a playoff game, and I was amazed at the amount of shit Tommy was taking for tossing a few during the regular season. Brett has cut down on the INT's and Tommy forgot how to drop back and pass after the injury, but at that point in time, no way in hell would I have taken Favre over Tommy. And if he implodes in the playoff game this Sunday with 7 picks again, then what? I think Favre is a great guy, and a heck of a football player, but this is a town that ran Neil out of town for 2 picks in the SB, and people were here pimping Favre after 7 Picks in a playoff game, it just blew my mind.

Joe

He wasn't run out of town, the Jets bought him a $25M bus ticket to N.J.

[Vader]

He wasn't run out of town, the Jets bought him a $25M bus ticket to N.J.

I think he was afraid to come back to town and the Jets made it easier for him to leave.

[Coryea]

I think he was afraid to come back to town and the Jets made it easier for him to leave.

Yep, that and his dad was sick at the time and he was alot closer in NY.

[LetMePlay]

Just for the record, I wanted Neil to stay. Not for $25mil but I was willing to pay him.

[Max Power]

Besides owning just about all the QB records, Brett Favre has done it with a Class that's unparalelled in the game. There is not one better "team mate" than Brett is and certainly no one more humble. You'd really have had to around the Wisconsin media circus throughout his whole carreer to really understand that, something a side from what the national media is fed. The day in and day out local news coverage, which in on par with what the Steelers get media wise in Pittsburgh.

Brett Favre comes back year after year because he loves to play the game. He surely doesn't need anymore in the way of compensation to be any more comfortable. He's locked and loaded in that way. His passion for playing QB for the Green Bay Packers is genuine and real. I've been spoiled for many years watching this happen, in the same way that I was spoiled as a Fan growing up in Pittsburgh during the 70's.

[Superman]

So it is t-man who is the class idiot.

[Aries1247]

I hate to take the lid off this shit-pot but.... Neil was ALWAYS about the money. I still remember when he signed an offer sheet with T.B. that we ended up matching.

[LeXX75]

I hate to take the lid off this shit-pot but.... Neil was ALWAYS about the money. I still remember when he signed an offer sheet with T.B. that we ended up matching.

Damn Jersey guy...thats all they ever think about...

[Tres Rios]

I to this day still say I liked Neil as our QB and wish he never left.

[Steelerfan81]

I to this day still say I liked Neil as our QB and wish he never left.

I think we would've won a SB with Neil at quarterback in '96 or '97.. we had the WRs and the defense to do so.. hell, if Hastings, and Mills don't get hurt in the Super Bowl or if Cory Holiday runs the right route we beat the Cowboys..

[Wig]

Guess what, if Favre hadn't had a great season this year... He'd be back AGAIN next year and the next and the next and the next.

The Packers were going to keep wheeling Favre out until the price of bottled oxygen became greater than the profit made by selling tickets to all the NASCAR fans who were hoping to see him actually keel over on the field.

Favre played what... 3 seasons longer than he should have. I credit him with a great year, but he's utterly flushed Green Bay down the toilet for the future in getting his records.

That's just my opinion mind you.

[Idioteque]

Guess what, if Favre hadn't had a great season this year... He'd be back AGAIN next year and the next and the next and the next.

The Packers were going to keep wheeling Favre out until the price of bottled oxygen became greater than the profit made by selling tickets to all the NASCAR fans who were hoping to see him actually keel over on the field.

Favre played what... 3 seasons longer than he should have. I credit him with a great year, but he's utterly flushed Green Bay down the toilet for the future in getting his records.

That's just my opinion mind you.

I don't think so...... I think they've built a pretty damn solid team around Brett. They might have the NFC's best defense, still have a top-notch o-line, found a bargain-basement RB who rescued their running game, and now have a very good corps of receivers as Jennings has panned out and Driver is still around.

2005 - 4-12
2006 - 8-8
2007 - 13-3, NFC North champs, hosting NFC Championship Game

[Sarge]

, but he's utterly flushed Green Bay down the toilet for the future in getting his records.



I couldn't disagree more. That team is chock full of good young talent on both sides of the ball. If anything, that young talent is the reason Favre had the season he's had. In the event that Aaron Rodgers EVER gets to start up there, he'll have no excuse. All the pieces are there for him to step in and succeed. That said, if I were him and had the chance to bolt in free agency, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Never good to follow a legend. No matter what he does, it'll never be good enough.

[t-man]

So it is t-man who is the class idiot.

Call it what you will, it was an observation I made at the time, and quite a few were calling for Favre to hang em up for the last 2 years as well.

Joe

[Wig]

That's just it... Green Bay has nothing in QB development. Aaron Rogers is going to forget the playbook due to Alzheimers before he gets a start.

[Hines57]

GB plays a west coast offense. When Favre goes they can go get a west coast QB and plug him right into the system. He won't be Favre, but look at how well Garcia did in Tampa playing in a WC offense. They will be fine post Favre with the team they have together.

[Tres Rios]

I'd love to have the O-Line play they got in GB. Jennings, Driver and TE Lee are all solid. And that RB out of nowhere will be a star. They have a solid D with the best group of corners in the NFL. I think they'll be fine. Even if Rogers is just a stop gap for the one year Brett finally does retire and they can draft a #1 QB or sign a top FA.

[Superman]

That's just it... Green Bay has nothing in QB development.

like we do?

[Vader]

like we do?

Doesn't stupid Ben know he needs to retire before St. Pierre forgets the playbook?

[Stlrs4Life]

He wasn't run out of town, the Jets bought him a $25M bus ticket to N.J.

Beat me to it. Plus, in a way, I don't think the Steelers wanted him back after that price.

[t-man]

Looks like Brett pulled a Neil, only he did it in the championship game, rather than the SB. I know, I know, he's a legend, all that happy horseshit, but he has a nasty habbit of fucking the pooch when it's all on the line, and THAT'S why I said I wouldn't take him. Shouldn't he know better after umpteen fucking years than to throw that ball, IN OT?

Anyway. Good luck to the GNTS, they're gonna need it.

Joe

[Sluzilla]

and yet Tommy would've done better?...

[Superman]

Tommy Maddox is in the HOF right now.

paid admission, but he still beat Favre there.

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

Tommy Maddox = Brett Farve

Nate Washington = Jerry Rice

Only thing you would have got for Tommy Maddox is a oooohhh I dont know...7th Round Bum DE from BYU....oh wait thats Brett Keisel!

A Tommy Maddox and Brett Keisel trade would only get a laugh and a Pro Bowl Veteran Waterboy.

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

I to this day still say I liked Neil as our QB and wish he never left.


Are you kidding me???? He gave away the damn game against Dallas...Most people are not aware that he married Jerry Jones' DAUGHTER years after the Super Bowl...CONSPIRACY. Neil was a joke ...he had a few good games here and there but will never be known as great or a consistent QB. He folded under pressure and was a DISAPPONTMENT. Im glad his azz left

[t-man]

and yet Tommy would've done better?...

At the time I posted I'd take Tommy over Favre, he had just two years prior tossed 7, count em, 7 picks in a playoff game, and people were giving Tommy fits for tossing 2 in a game we had just played. I may not be the best at math, but 7 is a far cry more than two, Favre had two seasons where his INT% was over 4%, that means 1 out of every 20 times he tosses the ball, it gets picked by the other team.

As I said before, he's a good guy, and a heck of a football player, but he's NOT the guy I want on the field when you can't afford to have the stupid mistake, cause more often than not, he makes it.

Joe

[K from Cal]

The QB Brett most reminds me of is none other than Terry Bradshaw. Just a different decade. They played with the same attitude and have similiar arms. Terry had more stability behind him with a solid coach, front office and ownership. Terry had better teams also which helps.

[Sluzilla]

At the time I posted I'd take Tommy over Favre, he had just two years prior tossed 7, count em, 7 picks in a playoff game, and people were giving Tommy fits for tossing 2 in a game we had just played. I may not be the best at math, but 7 is a far cry more than two, Favre had two seasons where his INT% was over 4%, that means 1 out of every 20 times he tosses the ball, it gets picked by the other team.

As I said before, he's a good guy, and a heck of a football player, but he's NOT the guy I want on the field when you can't afford to have the stupid mistake, cause more often than not, he makes it.

Joe

and you'd still rather have Tommy?...

[t-man]

and you'd still rather have Tommy?...

I often wonder that myself. I'm not sure if Tommy got that much worse after the injury that left him unable to move or feel his legs, or if the NFL just finally figured out he had only one play, the timing route. I know I'd rather have Ben than any other qb, but as to what I would have wanted without him, that's hard to say. I have to say that I was extremely unhappy with the way he played when Ben was out and was glad to see him leave, but I just haven't made up my mind as to if that was due to him being injured and just never getting that fire back, or if he just wasn't really that good.

I'd have to say I'd rather have batch on the field as a backup than favre, just because I continue to see favre keep doing stupid things year after year, and he just never seems to learn. Remember that old line about Bradshaw not being able to spell cat if you spotted him the C and the T, I gotta say there have been a LOT of plays I've seen Bret throw that ball into triple coverage and wondered if he might not actually miss that one.

Joe

[Superman]

LMAO!

Batch > Favre

[t-man]

LMAO!

Batch > Favre

See, this is what I don't get. Every qb get's railed in the NFL if he keeps making the STUPID mistakes, throwing into triple coverage, underthrowing balls, etc, EXCEPT Favre. And it's like fucking universal. He cost his team the game yesterday. Neil threw two picks in the Superbowl and half the fans I knew wanted to eat his fucking liver, yet bitches come out of the woodwork if ANYONE dare say Farve has cost his team a shitload of games.

I just don't get it. Say what you will about batch, but he's not INT prone, Farve is, and because of that, I wouldn't take him, period. Unless you have a killer defense (like the ONE that Favre had the ONE year he won it all) you aren't going to be able to make mistakes like that again and again and get away with it.

Joe

[steelersoldier]

I was the guy who said it. It was right after the season where Brett had thrown 7 interceptions in a playoff game, and I was amazed at the amount of shit Tommy was taking for tossing a few during the regular season. Brett has cut down on the INT's and Tommy forgot how to drop back and pass after the injury, but at that point in time, no way in hell would I have taken Favre over Tommy. And if he implodes in the playoff game this Sunday with 7 picks again, then what? I think Favre is a great guy, and a heck of a football player, but this is a town that ran Neil out of town for 2 picks in the SB, and people were here pimping Favre after 7 Picks in a playoff game, it just blew my mind.

Joe

First off I have to give you credit for admiting it. Most of importantly your an idiot. I would take Farve and his 6 not 7 ints in that game against the rams. Maddox was a terrible qb from the start. I would take Kordell over Maddox. On top of that everybody know that Neil threw that game against Dallas on top of that he was a terrible qb aslo. If he was any good we would of made the superbowl two years in a row, or do you not remember 3 more yards?????

[steelersoldier]

Tommy Maddox = Brett Farve

Nate Washington = Jerry Rice

That is hillarous

[steelersoldier]

I often wonder that myself. I'm not sure if Tommy got that much worse after the injury that left him unable to move or feel his legs, or if the NFL just finally figured out he had only one play, the timing route. I know I'd rather have Ben than any other qb, but as to what I would have wanted without him, that's hard to say. I have to say that I was extremely unhappy with the way he played when Ben was out and was glad to see him leave, but I just haven't made up my mind as to if that was due to him being injured and just never getting that fire back, or if he just wasn't really that good.

I'd have to say I'd rather have batch on the field as a backup than favre, just because I continue to see favre keep doing stupid things year after year, and he just never seems to learn. Remember that old line about Bradshaw not being able to spell cat if you spotted him the C and the T, I gotta say there have been a LOT of plays I've seen Bret throw that ball into triple coverage and wondered if he might not actually miss that one.

Joe

Yep your still an idiot. I'm sorry your proabably a really cool guy but Favre is one of the best qbs ever in the game. He is dependable. He plays with heart, unlike our team this year. Most of all you know what your going to get from him... a great game. Yes he has made mistakes in games lately but he has no choice. Put him on a good team like ours and he eliminate those mistakes. If it wasn't for him that team wouldn't of made the playoffs. If we had heart we would be playing in the super bowl.

[FAB802]

Maddox wasn't very good, but he wouldn't have been any worse than Favre yesterday. That was one of the worst games in the playoffs by a first ballot Hall Of Famer ever.

[FAB802]

Yep your still an idiot. I'm sorry your proabably a really cool guy but Favre is one of the best qbs ever in the game. He is dependable. He plays with heart, unlike our team this year. Most of all you know what your going to get from him... a great game. Yes he has made mistakes in games lately but he has no choice. Put him on a good team like ours and he eliminate those mistakes. If it wasn't for him that team wouldn't of made the playoffs. If we had heart we would be playing in the super bowl.

There's plenty of talent around him. He made a bunch of dumbass throws yesterday, and fortunately for him he didn't pay for all of them. If the Giant's weren't so inept themselves they win that game going away. Just because he is a first ballot Hall of Famer doesn't mean he can't be slammed for costing his team a game with his lousy play. By the way, you could have driven our team up the yellow brick road to see the Wizard and we still don't sniff Arizona.

[t-man]

Yep your still an idiot. I'm sorry your proabably a really cool guy but Favre is one of the best qbs ever in the game. He is dependable. He plays with heart, unlike our team this year. Most of all you know what your going to get from him... a great game. Yes he has made mistakes in games lately but he has no choice. Put him on a good team like ours and he eliminate those mistakes. If it wasn't for him that team wouldn't of made the playoffs. If we had heart we would be playing in the super bowl.

Dude, did you even see that last pass? It was a HORRIBLE throw. Anyone but Favre throws that ball, and all we are hearing this week is how he cost his team the game when it was all on the line. I totally get the guy has heart, he seems like a great guy, but he holds the record for TD passes AND INT'S in the nfl. You are one of those guys who thinks Neil wanted to throw the Superbowl, so I'm sure your head is firmly wrapped in aluminum foil and you dive under the coffee table every time you hear the whirr of helicopter blades, so I doubt this will have much meaning, but on one of the two picks in the superbowl, the WR admitted running the wrong route, that means one of those picks was Neils fault. Oh, and do you happen to remember he had one of the LOWEST INT percentages in football?

If Favre was on this team, our fanbase would have lynched him, including about 50% of this bb. Ben was in his rookie year, and there were people here saying he should be benched for throwing that pick in the AFC championship game.

I've got my opinion, and unlike the rest of the nuthuggers I just feel that part of being a GREAT qb (See Montana, Joe - Aikman, Troy - Brady, Tom - Roethlisberger, Ben (well, that last one isn't quite in the first three's league yet, but he's rapidly getting there, and I AM a homer when it comes to Ben) You have GOT to stop making the stupid mistakes. I don't mind taking a chance once a game, but you CAN NOT constantly force the ball into triple coverage, period. Favre has done this his entire football carreer, and he just takes too many chances.

Joe

[Superman]

Maddox = Brady

[Sluzilla]

Maddox wasn't very good, but he wouldn't have been any worse than Favre yesterday. That was one of the worst games in the playoffs by a first ballot Hall Of Famer ever.

as immobile and stiff as TM was...in that cold...his arm would've broke off the first pass attempt...just right down shattered...

[t-man]

Maddox = Brady

Well he was drafted much higher, according to some that would make your quote true. :)