Bubster's very own bitching thread

[the Bubster]

alert:

please disregard the Starks tag, the kirshke signing, and colbert's comments coming out of the combine. This is a smoke screen. He is smarter than everyone else and knows what he is doing. We, as steeler fans can see through the smoke because we have black and gold goggles, but the rest of the nfl is staggering around blinded by the smoke that colbert just laid down.

You think trading up to draft a punter in rd 4 was an act of pure genius and a move that pulled the rug out from underneath every GM in the NFL? Well, you aint seen nothing yet. Wait till he lands that longsnapper in Rd 2 this year.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

You're a moron....:rolleyes:

[GotSteel]

You're a moron....

i agree, he's a moron

[CoolieMan]

I have absolutely nothing to say in this thread

[thatrain]

Seriously, the 6th time you've said longsnapper in round 2, and it was never funny.

There is nothing wrong with the Starks tag, having right to first refusal on YOUR ONLY HEALTHY TACKLE WITH ANY STARTING EXPERIENCE is a good thing. He is very unlikely to make 7 million dollars this year, get over it. But sure, we should let him go and hope some rookies can start. That's the mark of a top-notch GM.

While we're at it, since we're having issues with depth behind our DE's.. let's just get rid of all of it, and hope we can find someone who can play a 3-4 DE in the draft or in Free Agency. Because that's an easy need to fill cheaply. Twice. In one year.

Guys, did you hear? The patriots drafted Randy Moss in the fourth round at age 30 and got him for one year. Drafting a punter in the fourth round is dumb! Plus, he lost us a ton of games with his crappy punting! I wish we had Chris Gardocki back. Boy I wish we had Randy Moss on our team! Bringing a clubhouse cancer onto a team with a young quarterback and a rookie head coach would have been a great idea! It's not like 31 other clubs felt the same way about bringing him on!

You're all dumb for being fans of the way this team does things, has done things, and will continue to do things. Take off your black and gold goggles! We should be more like the Patriots!

Anyone got a camera?

[Max Power]

Few goofs get new computers in 08?

[Supersteeler]

I think he's challenged....you know......

[Stlrs4Life]

For a second there, I thought he was serious!

[FlaStGrad]

How many of Bubster's 110 posts have actually said someting constructive about the Steelers?

The gig is up... congrats on your Browns season you tool!

[Sean]

the Bubster = attention whore

[the Bubster]

It is my contention that a good GM will have excellent foresight not only in evaulating his own team, the current draft, but also the future draft. colbert's obvious lack of foresight is why he is mediocre as a GM and why the team is being depleted in talent. Colbert also has no idea how to prioritize the needs of a team.

The biggest example of colbert's short sightedness would be the Holmes pick. Think about this. Hartings was on his last leg, and it was no secret. However, colbert ignored that, and chose to trade up and select holmes. Where was the lack of foresight? Well, in this case, it was 2 fold.

Number one, failure to select Mangold showed incredible disregard for the future of the all important center position, a spot that was clearly going to be filled in the near future. Number 2, Holmes caame out in what was regarded as the weakest WR draft in NFL history. Just a inkling of foresight, and colbert would have seen the following year was going to be loaded with WR talent, so much so, that Holmes most likely would have been a 2nd rd'er. Brilliant move by holmes' agent, terrible planning by colbert.

with a little foresight, the team could have had Mangold, and then plucked a big WR like Dwayne Bowe in the WR rich draft. question is, is this a better team with Mangold and Bowe, or, is it better with Holmes and timmons? Yeah, dumb question.

Consider this, the selection of holmes over mangold, also can be clearly responsible for the mahan signing, thus, exacerbating the problem of filling the center spot.

At the end of the day, anyone who drafts a WR when the center spot needs attention has shown to have no clue how to prioritize the needs of a team, another in a long line of missing intellect colbert has.

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with any holmes is a future star arguments, sell that bs somewhere else. holmes is built like a coat hanger, and other than marvin harrison, those fraile types never show to be durable, and holmes is holding tru to that with hios failure to suit for all 16 as of yet. Sure I'm guessing one of you tiddly wimkers will point to some meaningless YPC stat, and throw all your eggs in that basket to support your claim, but I aint no novice. Go sell that bs to some non-football intellect.

[TMC]

Bwwwwaaahaaaahaaaaa.

[the Bubster]

Bwwwwaaahaaaahaaaaa.

more brilliant insight.

Go figure some cap figure. that seems to be the only value you add to this board. Leave the player/GM/coach evauations to the football intellects. You aint got the heart to look at this franchise with an objective viewpoint. You drunk from the black and gold koolaid.

[Supersteeler]

more brilliant insight.

Go figure some cap figure. that seems to be the only value you add to this board. Leave the player/GM/coach evauations to the football intellects. You aint got the heart to look at this franchise with an objective viewpoint. You drunk from the black and gold koolaid.

How did you get to be so goddamned annoying?

[TMC]

Bwaaahaaahaaaahaaaa.

[FlaStlrfan]

with a little foresight, the team could have had Mangold, and then plucked a big WR like Dwayne Bowe in the WR rich draft. question is, is this a better team with Mangold and Bowe, or, is it better with Holmes and timmons? Yeah, dumb question.



Because we all know that Dwayne Bowe would carry us to a championship.

Of course, there are no dumb questions, only dumb people who ask questions.

[Lunar7]

I vote the Bubster douchebag of the year.

[FlaStlrfan]

The biggest example of colbert's short sightedness would be the Holmes pick. Think about this. Hartings was on his last leg, and it was no secret. However, colbert ignored that, and chose to trade up and select holmes. Where was the lack of foresight? Well, in this case, it was 2 fold.

In a related story, Dan Rooney has put Chuck Noll on notice for passing on Dan Marino for Gabe Rivera.

[the Bubster]

Because we all know that Dwayne Bowe would carry us to a championship.

Of course, there are no dumb questions, only dumb people who ask questions.

I hear Ben clamouring for a big WR. Not only did colbutt trade up for a fraile WR who cant withstand a full season of nfl punishment, but it still left that void for a big WR.

And yeah, we still need a center.

but hey, go sit in heinz and wave your terrible towel. Shame cupcake city is over and no more jp losmans and alex smith's on the schedule in 08 to pad the record.

colbert and coach cliche' are taking this team back to the dark ages pre Noll.

[TMC]

Bwaahaaahaaaaaa.

[Southern Steeler]

you're a Ravens fan, aren't you?

[Lunar7]

you're a Ravens fan, aren't you?

Obviously he is the smartest person ever, how dare you cast aspersions on him.

[FistfullofRings]

Speaking of foresight, how about this: All 32 GMs lacked foresight by passing on Tom Brady 5 times... Terrell Davis too! WTF!

See Bubster, you don't need 7 paragraphs to waste everyones time, One sentence will do...

[Supersteeler]

I hear Ben clamouring for a big WR. Not only did colbutt trade up for a fraile WR who cant withstand a full season of nfl punishment, but it still left that void for a big WR.

And yeah, we still need a center.

but hey, go sit in heinz and wave your terrible towel. Shame cupcake city is over and no more jp losmans and alex smith's on the schedule in 08 to pad the record.

colbert and coach cliche' are taking this team back to the dark ages pre Noll.

Go hang out at the Pirates message board and resume your constant bitching. They seem to enjoy constant pissing and moaning so you'll fit right in. They could always use a miserable bastard amongst them.

[Punxsutawney]

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with any holmes is a future star arguments, sell that bs somewhere else. holmes is built like a coat hanger, and other than marvin harrison, those fraile types never show to be durable, and holmes is holding tru to that with hios failure to suit for all 16 as of yet. Sure I'm guessing one of you tiddly wimkers will point to some meaningless YPC stat, and throw all your eggs in that basket to support your claim, but I aint no novice. Go sell that bs to some non-football intellect.

Hey, Jackass, just because an opinion belongs to you does not mean that it is the right one. Holmes' stats relative to the facts that he plays across from Hines Ward and the Steelers pass the ball fewer times than just about anyone are VERY good. He would have 3-4 more 40+yd receptions had Ben not overthrown him or had more time to throw. Speaking of football intellect, only a complete football retard would ignore the stat of YPC, as it is a solid indication of a player's ability to stretch the field and make the big play.

As for Colbert, I think that he is overrated but not to the degree that you seem to think. Many people regard Colbert as one of the elite GMs in the league while I think that he is good but not great. The guy has brought in WAY too many solid contributers since he took over the job in 2000 to say that he is medicore.

Marvel Smith, Plaxico Burress, Clark Haggans, Jeff Hartings, Casey Hampton, Kendrell, Bell, James Farrior, Antwaan Randel,El Chris Hope, Troy, Ike Taylor, Chris Hoke, James Harrison, Ben, Willie Parker, Max Starks, Heath Miller, Bryant McFadden, Santonio Holmes, LaMarr Woodley, and am sure that the are some others that I missed.

Colbert has made a few too many mistakes in the draft for my liking, which is why, I do not consider him great, but he has brought in more than his share of talent.

[Steel Conviction]

It is my contention that you are a dumbass. And you should stopdoing drugs. They are bad for you, son.

[TMC]

Speaking of foresight, how about this: All 32 GMs lacked foresight by passing on Tom Brady 5 times... Terrell Davis too! WTF!

See Bubster, you don't need 7 paragraphs to waste everyones time, One sentence will do...


One sentence would only waste a few seconds. Unfortunately, he strings those moronic thoughts into half-assed paragraphs that waste minutes. It takes a solid 2-3 minutes to even read, because it is usually difficult on the eyes and hard to muddle through the piss poor thought process.

In addition, his arguments are poor. They are thinly constructed houses of cards. He picks minute issues and then looks for the one or two ways to revise them to build that argument. Any issue you point towards to show him how amazingly fucking dumb he is will get a response of you are "drunk from the black and gold koolaid".

It really is quite pathetic.

[FlaStlrfan]

I hear Ben clamouring for a big WR. Not only did colbutt trade up for a fraile WR who cant withstand a full season of nfl punishment, but it still left that void for a big WR.

And yeah, we still need a center.

but hey, go sit in heinz and wave your terrible towel. Shame cupcake city is over and no more jp losmans and alex smith's on the schedule in 08 to pad the record.

colbert and coach cliche' are taking this team back to the dark ages pre Noll.

Anybody basing their name after Bubby Brister is already facing an uphill climb for credibility.

Listen up you armchair QB jerkwad

When we drafted Holmes, we were going into a season in which we had lost Plaxico Burress the pervious season and were facing the impending loss of ARE. WR was a pretty large need and Holmes showed promise by the end of his rookie year and turned in a solid 2nd season. I personally have no complaints about how well he has developed thus far.

Last year, we were going into a season in which we needed help at both OL and LB. The FO decided to go in the direction of LB and fix the pass rush. For 15 years, we have drafted LBs and let them sit to learn the system before inserting them and it has worked, with only one exception of Kendrell Bell making an immediate impact.

Yeah, now we are short on the OL, and guess what, the OL gets its turn.

You sound like a bathering idiot being critical of our recent drafts and Colbert, when under Colbert, all we have done is win the division 4 times, achieved the best record in the conference 2 times, the AFC Championship Game 3 times and won a Super Bowl.

Its easy to sit there and act like an expert after the fact, but you astonishingly screw that up because your facts are off base. Yeah, it would be nice to have a good center in Mangold in 06, but it would have left a gaping hole at WR that we would be clamoring to fix and armchair QBs like you would be going back and being critical of Colbert for not getting a WR at some other point.

Don't get mad that Steeler Nation is making an a$$ out of you, you long since were doing that on your own.

[TMC]

I have a better question, in the dumbsters opinion, who WOULD be the best GM in football?

[Supersteeler]

I have a better question, in the dumbsters opinion, who WOULD be the best GM in football?

My first guess would be Mat Millen.

[FlaStlrfan]

I have a better question, in the dumbsters opinion, who WOULD be the best GM in football?

Don't you know, Bubster should be our GM...he's the smartest. He came in 4th in his fantasy league this year.

[TMC]

I am thinking that it is not Colbert's lack of FORESIGHT that has Dumbster pissed off......

I think Dumbster walked in on Colbert and his mom while Colbert was showing her a serious helping of foreskin.

[omawho]

Bubster, I would have great interest in seeing your Mock for the upcoming draft................

[TMC]

My first guess would be Mat Millen.


Probably.....because then we would not have to hear Ben beg for a bigger WR......we would have a fleet of them.

[TMC]

Bubster, I would have great interest in seeing your Mock for the upcoming draft................


Mocks are for football non-intellect. He will tell you who everyone is PICKING.


He is God.

[Supersteeler]

Bubster, I would have great interest in seeing your Mock for the upcoming draft................

See the problem with people like him is that they are only comfortable bitching and second guessing AFTER the fact, it's much safer that way and allows the to profess their infinite genius to all about what should have happened....of course after we've gotten to watch the players for two years so no projections need to be risked..

[TMC]

See the problem with people like him is that they are only comfortable bitching and second guessing AFTER the fact, it's much safer that way and allows the to profess their infinite genius to all about what should have happened....of course after we've gotten to watch the players for two years so no projections need to be risked..


Supersteeler with the BIG BRAIN.


Do you know why they do not have a quarter pounder in France?

[Steelhurt]

It is my contention that a good GM will have excellent foresight not only in evaulating his own team, the current draft, but also the future draft. colbert's obvious lack of foresight is why he is mediocre as a GM and why the team is being depleted in talent. Colbert also has no idea how to prioritize the needs of a team.

The biggest example of colbert's short sightedness would be the Holmes pick. Think about this. Hartings was on his last leg, and it was no secret. However, colbert ignored that, and chose to trade up and select holmes. Where was the lack of foresight? Well, in this case, it was 2 fold.

Number one, failure to select Mangold showed incredible disregard for the future of the all important center position, a spot that was clearly going to be filled in the near future. Number 2, Holmes caame out in what was regarded as the weakest WR draft in NFL history. Just a inkling of foresight, and colbert would have seen the following year was going to be loaded with WR talent, so much so, that Holmes most likely would have been a 2nd rd'er. Brilliant move by holmes' agent, terrible planning by colbert.

with a little foresight, the team could have had Mangold, and then plucked a big WR like Dwayne Bowe in the WR rich draft. question is, is this a better team with Mangold and Bowe, or, is it better with Holmes and timmons? Yeah, dumb question.

Consider this, the selection of holmes over mangold, also can be clearly responsible for the mahan signing, thus, exacerbating the problem of filling the center spot.

At the end of the day, anyone who drafts a WR when the center spot needs attention has shown to have no clue how to prioritize the needs of a team, another in a long line of missing intellect colbert has.

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with any holmes is a future star arguments, sell that bs somewhere else. holmes is built like a coat hanger, and other than marvin harrison, those fraile types never show to be durable, and holmes is holding tru to that with hios failure to suit for all 16 as of yet. Sure I'm guessing one of you tiddly wimkers will point to some meaningless YPC stat, and throw all your eggs in that basket to support your claim, but I aint no novice. Go sell that bs to some non-football intellect.

Is that you Coach?

[Supersteeler]

Supersteeler with the BIG BRAIN.


Do you know why they do not have a quarter pounder in France?

The metric system of course. "It's called a Royale wit' Cheese!"

[Southern Steeler]

I have a better question, in the dumbsters opinion, who WOULD be the best GM in football?

DUH! It's Scott Pioli. You haven't been paying attention.

[Idioteque]

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with any holmes is a future star arguments, sell that bs somewhere else. holmes is built like a coat hanger, and other than marvin harrison, those fraile types never show to be durable, and holmes is holding tru to that with hios failure to suit for all 16 as of yet. Sure I'm guessing one of you tiddly wimkers will point to some meaningless YPC stat, and throw all your eggs in that basket to support your claim, but I aint no novice. Go sell that bs to some non-football intellect.

See..... then he tells us that YPC (or any other fact) we bring up would be meaningless, with no explanation as to why. Why doesn't YPC matter?

[Secret Santa]

I don't even know why I open his threads..

[Superman]

Drew Henson.

[Blind Official]

I have a better question, in the dumbsters opinion, who WOULD be the best GM in football?

As far as putting together a talented roster, it seems that AJ Smith would have to be at the top of the list.

Then there is Scott Pioli and a cast of others.

[Blind Official]

See the problem with people like him is that they are only comfortable bitching and second guessing AFTER the fact, it's much safer that way and allows the to profess their infinite genius to all about what should have happened....of course after we've gotten to watch the players for two years so no projections need to be risked..

Just so I'm clear, do you have a problem with Bubster or a problem with his points?

Do you think that Colbert showed foresight with the OC position? How about the OL overall? Really, i can't see anyone making that argument.

also, what happens if it's not just looking backwards after 2 years?

[Super Dave]

I thought it was a mistake to pass on Mangold. I wasn't a fan of the trade up.

Of Course, I thought the trade up for Troy P was a mistake, I wanted OL, and was glad that we got Starks in Round #3 of that draft.

[Supersteeler]

Just so I'm clear, do you have a problem with Bubster or a problem with his points?

Do you think that Colbert showed foresight with the OC position? How about the OL overall? Really, i can't see anyone making that argument.

also, what happens if it's not just looking backwards after 2 years?

Are you his daddy coming to defend his honor? To answer the question I have a problem with anyone who acts like a complete know-it-all douchbag without providing any plan, any insight on what the team should do in the future. His type pick apart every move that has already been made while trying to make themselves look smart. If you are going to sound like a smart guy give me some information beforehand instead of pretending you could have done a better job in hindsite. Any fool can dissect what has already happened and criticize it

Shit I can look back at the last ten years of the draft and tell you who we should have picked too, the problem is that you have to decide BEFORE they have been in the league for two years is a minor detail apparently.

The fact that he makes perfect sense to you makes me question your sanity....as usual.

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

I vote the Bubster douchebag of the year.

I second that on so many levels!

[ConnecticutDan]

I vote the Bubster douchebag of the year.

It's only February. There are 10 months to go. Surely a bigger douchebag will step out of the shadows and challenge him for the crown.

[JEFFRO]

I have no problem with how Holmes acquired. I think he is a tremendous asset to the team.

My problem was with the Willie Reid pick. What a waste.

When you judge any person in any job with 20/20 hindsight it is easy to find fault.

What one should hope for is that the decision makers make more good decisions than bad.

In this case I say Colbert has done a great job and cannot think of any other GM I would rather have.

[Achie D]

Yeah, it would be nice to have a good center in Mangold in 06, but it would have left a gaping hole at WR that we would be clamoring to fix

With "coulda woulda shoulda" and "hindsight is always 20/20" as a backdrop, in retrospect it would have been nice to resign Plax then take Mangold. We'd be in good shape. OK, I'll snap out of it.

I wasn't wild about the Holmes pick but saw the reasoning. And he's been productive. Ben needs to hit him more.

To say Colbert has a blatant lack of foresight is tantamount to saying the Rooneys can't run a pro sports franchise. Are they the best? Thats a subjective argument. They're very good at maintaining a competitive franchise is a small market. Colbert fits well into that formula.

Most of us probably think we could do a better job. But we're fans. That's what we're supposed to do.

[Steelerman]

Where was the lack of foresight?

Speaking of foresight....you seem to have tremendous hindsight.

Fuckin' loser.

[Blind Official]

Are you his daddy coming to defend his honor?

No. Now i'm not allowed to have an opinion? That's mature.

To answer the question I have a problem with anyone who acts like a complete know-it-all douchbag without providing any plan, any insight on what the team should do in the future. His type pick apart every move that has already been made while trying to make themselves look smart. If you are going to sound like a smart guy give me some information beforehand instead of pretending you could have done a better job in hindsite. Any fool can dissect what has already happened and criticize it

Ok. So it's a problem with the Bubster personally and not his point. I think that's what you're saying, because you haven't flat out disputed the OC point.

I can look back at the last ten years of the draft and tell you who we should have picked too, the problem is that you have to decide BEFORE they have been in the league for two years is a minor detail apparently.

Maybe it's not a minor detail in that sense. If this dude really is Coach, and he was around pimping Mangold two years ago, that's a pretty major detail, right?

My point is, it's only hindsight if you weren't saying that same thing as it happened. For instance, it's not hindsight that Super Dave wanted Mangold over Holmes.

The fact that he makes perfect sense to you makes me question your sanity....as usual.

You made a leap there somewhere. I said that I can't see anyone taking up the side that Colbert was forward-thinking with the OC position.

I also see that you haven't answered that part of the question. It's yes or no.

Do you think Colbert was forward thinking with the OC position or the OL overall?

[60 MINUTES]

It is my contention that a good GM will have excellent foresight not only in evaulating his own team, the current draft, but also the future draft. colbert's obvious lack of foresight is why he is mediocre as a GM and why the team is being depleted in talent. Colbert also has no idea how to prioritize the needs of a team.

The biggest example of colbert's short sightedness would be the Holmes pick. Think about this. Hartings was on his last leg, and it was no secret. However, colbert ignored that, and chose to trade up and select holmes. Where was the lack of foresight? Well, in this case, it was 2 fold.

Number one, failure to select Mangold showed incredible disregard for the future of the all important center position, a spot that was clearly going to be filled in the near future. Number 2, Holmes caame out in what was regarded as the weakest WR draft in NFL history. Just a inkling of foresight, and colbert would have seen the following year was going to be loaded with WR talent, so much so, that Holmes most likely would have been a 2nd rd'er. Brilliant move by holmes' agent, terrible planning by colbert.

with a little foresight, the team could have had Mangold, and then plucked a big WR like Dwayne Bowe in the WR rich draft. question is, is this a better team with Mangold and Bowe, or, is it better with Holmes and timmons? Yeah, dumb question.

Consider this, the selection of holmes over mangold, also can be clearly responsible for the mahan signing, thus, exacerbating the problem of filling the center spot.

At the end of the day, anyone who drafts a WR when the center spot needs attention has shown to have no clue how to prioritize the needs of a team, another in a long line of missing intellect colbert has.

Oh, and before anyone chimes in with any holmes is a future star arguments, sell that bs somewhere else. holmes is built like a coat hanger, and other than marvin harrison, those fraile types never show to be durable, and holmes is holding tru to that with hios failure to suit for all 16 as of yet. Sure I'm guessing one of you tiddly wimkers will point to some meaningless YPC stat, and throw all your eggs in that basket to support your claim, but I aint no novice. Go sell that bs to some non-football intellect.



Your whole piece is over how we got holmes over Mangold. So what. you can go to any draft with any team and show where they missed on someone or should have taken this guy and didn't.

Overall our line is down and we have ignored it over the past few years, For that yes Colbert looks bad, but for the most part we have a playoff team and a superbowl in the past 3 years. I'm okay with what he has done to this point. As far as Holmes you could be correct but at the same time If you look at our WR and take into the account that Ward should move to the slot then we really would have no talent outside other then Holmes. Maybe Holmes is not what we thought, maybe he will be what we thought but getting a WR in that spot was needed. As a matter of fact we could use another one. I wouldn't draft one high because they usually don't work out. I also don't see a late round guy getting it done. IMO we need to bring in a nice VET that can play as a 3rd receiver.

Anyway overall every team looks back and wishes they would have made different moves. So Again, SO WHAT.

This year we will get our line taken care of, If Colbert does not draft at least two guys up front with the first three picks then I will agree with you.

[BLEEDS]

Speaking of foresight....you seem to have tremendous hindsight.

Fuckin' loser.

BINGO!

PEACE

-BLEEDS

[TMC]

Just so I'm clear, do you have a problem with Bubster or a problem with his points?

Do you think that Colbert showed foresight with the OC position? How about the OL overall? Really, i can't see anyone making that argument.

also, what happens if it's not just looking backwards after 2 years?

Here is where I think the problem occurred at OC....and it was more a chain of events than any one thing....and some of this chain is out of Colbert's control. We had Hartings and Okobi and were fine. Now, we had discussed a young center for a while, but many here believed it was Okobi's job in the future. I did as well.

1-Cowher and Hartings retire in the same season. IMO, that is a huge part of our center situation going south, because I feel if Hartings had stayed, Mahan would not have been signed and if Cowher had stayed, Okobi would have been our starter. So, both issues happening together are big issues for me because we change offensive philosophy, talent, and coaches at the same time.

2-Tomlin knows Mahan from his days in Tampa Bay. Maybe he saw something in him. I have no doubt that Tomlin signs off on the Mahan move and Colbert thinks he can steal a guy the new coach believes is a good offensive lineman. So, we add Mahan to compete with Okobi, who was probably the better player.

3-Okobi goes on this bitch/whine fest during the preseason. IMO, he actually became disruptive. He threw a temper tantrum that lasted through his signing with Arizona. I would have cut his ass too. You cannot let a former backup start dictating things to the media and running the team. We probably would have been a better line with Okobi, but sometimes you have to cut off your arm to stop something from spreading.

I really feel that Colbert thought we could enter the season with Okobi and Mahan fighting it out and maybe we are a different line with Okobi starting. By the time he starts bitching, it is way too late to look to add another center.

We did not do it prior to last season because Hartings was a fixture on the line and Okobi was the heir to that position. We signed Mahan to a contract that is not top tier, it is not even 2nd tier, and the signing bonus is manageable. He can be released pretty quickly. I would not judge that position until after this offseason. IMO, Colbert would have had to be psychic to know how that turns out last season. You have to give the new coach the opportunity to have some input on the players and then when Okobi does his thing, it is not Colbert that makes the cuts, but Tomlin.

On the other hand, I like what Colbert has done for us at QB, TE, RB, NT, OLB, ILB, CB, and safety. We have him to thank for Ben, Willie, Heath, Santonio, Casey, Silverback, Woodley, Foote, Ike, Troy, Clark, McFadden, and Gay. He has added talent.....and no GM fills every hole every season with elite talent.

One more point on the OL, we STILL have 4 of 5 starters from our Super Bowl run. It was Tomlin that chose to cut Okobi and start Mahan. It was Tomlin that chose to start Colon over Starks. Those decisions cannot be hung on the GM.

[the Bubster]

TMC, you got more creative fairytales than mother goose. Tomlin, as a db coach, is in no better postion to pass judgement on mahan as any other db coach. There is plenty of game film to review. Oline coach, even one as dumb as queerlein, would be better suited to help colbert evaluate mahan than tomlin. Tomlin could attest to his character, but his influence would stop there.

Back to colbutt's lack of foresight. Hartings was nearly crippled. It should have been no surprise to colbert. The chin retirement coinciding with that has no bearing on the weaknesses along the oline. That 05 team wasnt exposed along the oline during that sb run because as the luck of the draw had it, every defense they faced was built on finesse. This steeler oline of the past couple years cant stand up to the big physical defenses, and that has been obvious. Lucky for them, the SB saw defense of cincy, indy, denver and seattle, ALL BUILT ON FINESSE.

Of course, colbutt aint shrewd enough to see that. To see that would require he evaluate talent, rather than just read a freaking boxscore.

[Quick Draw]

Bubster = Par4

[Sluzilla]

if Okobi hadn't been injured like he was...he'd more than likely be our starter right now...he never played as well afterwards...but before the injury there was little or no drop off of talent when he filled in for Hartings...

so basically the Center argument is a moot point...the foresight was there...

[Blind Official]

if Okobi hadn't been injured like he was...he'd more than likely be our starter right now...he never played as well afterwards...but before the injury there was little or no drop off of talent when he filled in for Hartings...

so basically the Center argument is a moot point...the foresight was there...

Assuming that Okobi was worth a damn ever at all.

...or he could have just always stunk and propped up by his teammates and then went to AZ and stunk there. It's possible that his fall had nothing to do with whining or Cowher retiring.

There are a bunch of possibilities. Maybe Simmons sucks so bad that he's making Mahan look awful and made Faneca and Colon look worse than they are.

[Stlrs4Life]

you're a Ravens fan, aren't you?



He's definately not a Steelers fan.


I mean I don't like every move made by Colbert. But he isn't the worse GM out there that's for sure.

[SteelerFan448]

Assuming that Okobi was worth a damn ever at all.


Okobi was always solid when he was in there and he easily outplayed Mahan this preseason. Between Mahan winning the job and Carey Davis over Kreider, this staff made some unusual calls last preseason.

[the Bubster]

Okobi was always solid when he was in there and he easily outplayed Mahan this preseason. Between Mahan winning the job and Carey Davis over Kreider, this staff made some unusual calls last preseason.

no way was mahan sitting after signing that deal. To do so, would be to undermine colbert.

Steelers never gave okobi a fair shot. Mahan was force fed into that lineup. smae with simmons, once he re upped, there was no way he was going to sit.

Same with the lunacy of those saying kirshke may not make the team. Steeler history says he will be on the roster, no matter what.

colbert is taking us back to the pre noll dark ages.

[dobre shunka]

Well the Kirschke deal is idiotic any way you look at it, but I don't think it secures him a spot on the team. His signing bonus is the same as what they freely piss away on the Fred Gibson's and Orien Harris' of the world.

[Slaine]

colbert is taking us back to the pre noll dark ages.

Well he's got three more superbowl's to go before he gets Noll out of his system completely so I'm good with that.

[the Bubster]

Here's some more detailing of colbert incompetence.

Think back one year ago? Anyone want to argue that oline wasnt a need? Sure, lb was a need, but so was oline.

Here is my point.

colbert traded up in to rd 4 to get a punter, so in effect, he spent 2 draft picks to address the need for a punter. In the same draft, with a need for oline apparent, he spent only 1 draft pick, a 5th rd'er at that, addressing the oline.

So, not only did he use more draft picks addressing the punter, but he even used a higher pick than the one he placed on addressing oline needs.

what kinda fool, when prioritizing team needs, places the punter above the oline? Kevin fraking colbert, thats who.

[SteelrzGirl]

Ok Bub, there ya go. Yer a star.

Gotcha yer very own thread. Carry on.

[schoondog]

Ok Bub, there ya go. Yer a star.

Gotcha yer very own thread. Carry on.

Thanks SG, now i won't be tempted to open up any of his threads.

[the Bubster]

Ok Bub, there ya go. Yer a star.

Gotcha yer very own thread. Carry on.

you are a poor moderator. Fools clutter the board with thread after thread with nothing but linked articles, but yet you feel the need to condense my threads which detail serious problems with colbert. in to one thread. And do i even need to bring to your attention the plethora of NE threads that pop up every hour. Belichick cant fart without someone starting a thread telling us all about it.

nonetheless, here's more food for thought. Not only did colbert address the punter with more picks and a higher pick in the 07 draft, but he addressed the need for a returner before addressing oline needs in the 06 draft.

And people still support this fool.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

LOL motherfucker. SG is not one to be fucked with.

[SteelrzGirl]

And yet I still merged your threads. You are a poor poster. The people here who matter, the core group of posters, dont like your drivel and are reporting you as a troll.

So while I understand that in your opinion you're so fucking knowledgable, the majority says you suck.

So again, this your reality here, keep your schticky attention whoring act to a dull roar.

Thanks.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

I hope you have your affairs in order, douchebag.

[Steelerman]

you are a poor moderator. Fools clutter the board with thread after thread with nothing but linked articles, but yet you feel the need to condense my threads which detail serious problems with colbert. in to one thread. And do i even need to bring to your attention the plethora of NE threads that pop up every hour. Belichick cant fart without someone starting a thread telling us all about it.

nonetheless, here's more food for thought. Not only did colbert address the punter with more picks and a higher pick in the 07 draft, but he addressed the need for a returner before addressing oline needs in the 06 draft.

And people still support this fool.

You're boring the f-uck out of me. Why don't you highlight all the positives Colbert has done, if you are capable. Thee are quite a few. I think it's a tad ridiculous to expect a GM to be 100% perfect in everything he does. You seem to be a very demanding customer.

[the Bubster]

LOL motherer. SG is not one to be ed with.


heheheh, yeah whatever. I seen pictures of the board membership at tailgates. Not a very impressive looking group. Looks like alot of old people who used to be in the marching band. .

[t-bone]

opinionated and beautiful, are ya?

[JEFFRO]

Bast....er bubster, everything you have written indicates you are no Steeler fan but a troll from some other team that has nothing better to do than try to get a rise out of the Steeler Nation.

As for your Colbert and Tomlin opinions: I suppose you are so smart you must be a billionaire so why don't you just go buy your own team? Oh that's right, you are a legend in your own mind!

Be gone!

[SteelrzGirl]

Thanks Left. But its not about "fucking with me". The majority is bothered by the blather and I moved i to one thread.

You are certainly entitled to seek out a more attractive group of people at another board. No one is stopping you.

[General Manager]

You all don't need to call the Bubster names for voicing his opinion about the FO. He does have some valid points that have been brushed under the carpet. Last year the bitching was for pressure. OL and DL need to be addressed now not later. We have too may overpaid lineman on both sides of the ball.
I wouldn't care if we drafted all lineman with our six picks. We need them all. Even Casey isn't what he used to be. And his back up Hoke isn't any younger.

[SteelrzGirl]

You all don't need to call the Bubster names.

Right cause he's clearly just expressing his opinions and not being a dick.

[Blind Official]

Okobi was always solid when he was in there and he easily outplayed Mahan this preseason. Between Mahan winning the job and Carey Davis over Kreider, this staff made some unusual calls last preseason.

I don't know that you can make the statement that Okobi easily outplayed Mahan (or vice versa).

Really, we don't have any idea what Chukky was like as a starter, but it does not reflect well that he already got cut from AZ and no one else picked him up either. He wasn't failing physicals for those teams, he was simply sucking.

[Buster]

Time to pull out an old favorite around here...

FUCKTARD

[SteelerFan448]

I don't know that you can make the statement that Okobi easily outplayed Mahan (or vice versa).

Really, we don't have any idea what Chukky was like as a starter, but it does not reflect well that he already got cut from AZ and no one else picked him up either. He wasn't failing physicals for those teams, he was simply sucking.

I watched him in camp and in the preseason and IMO, it was no contest. Chukky wasn't going to be an All-Pro for us, but he wouldn't have been on his rear end like Mahan was all season either.

[FAB802]

The offseason sucks. Troll paradise. The only good thing is they are usually gone before the draft actually happens. Assgoblins.

[topseed]

On the other hand, I like what Colbert has done for us at QB, TE, RB, NT, OLB, ILB, CB, and safety. We have him to thank for Ben, Willie, Heath, Santonio, Casey, Silverback, Woodley, Foote, Ike, Troy, Clark, McFadden, and Gay. He has added talent.....and no GM fills every hole every season with elite talent.


We have Kevin Colbert to thank for Ben? C'mon. That's a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? A retarded blind deaf mute could have made that choice.

If the Steelers pass on Roethlisberger with the 11th pick in that instance, it immediately goes down as one of the top 5 draft blunders of all-time.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

The pick for Ben fell to him. The other 2 gm's who passed on him are the retards.

[Doggfather69]

I smell shit!!! Did the bubster step in his on his way to this board! What a tool!

[Parasite]

We have Kevin Colbert to thank for Ben? C'mon. That's a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? A retarded blind deaf mute could have made that choice.

If the Steelers pass on Roethlisberger with the 11th pick in that instance, it immediately goes down as one of the top 5 draft blunders of all-time.



Ben is here because of Rooney. Not Colbert.

[BillvinCowbert]

We have Kevin Colbert to thank for Ben? C'mon. That's a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? A retarded blind deaf mute could have made that choice.

If the Steelers pass on Roethlisberger with the 11th pick in that instance, it immediately goes down as one of the top 5 draft blunders of all-time.

Exactly, it's like saying the Pens owe Patrick for drafting Jagr (they picked 5th and there were 5 major prospects).

And, worse yet, all accounts say that the Rooneys had to make the final call on drafting Ben; I think we would have ended up with Shawn Andrews otherwise. We do have Colbert to thank for Ricardo Colclough though (and he decided we had to trade up to get him).

[SteelrzGirl]

We have Kevin Colbert to thank for Ben? C'mon. That's a little bit of a stretch, don't you think? A retarded blind deaf mute could have made that choice.



Al Davis passed.:D

[ekeicher16]

Colbert is one of the best GMs, probably somewhere about 5. He definatley has made tons of good choices, I just don't think we draft that well past the first round i.e. Alonzo Jackson, Fred Gibson.......

[schoondog]

Al Davis passed.:D

in fairness to davis, he's been dead for 10 years but just hasn't realized it yet.

[FAB802]

in fairness to davis, he's been dead for 10 years but just hasn't realized it yet.

It's like watching Weekend At Bernies ten.

[steelersoldier]

i agree, he's a moron

can i make it three

[60 MINUTES]

Ben is here because of Rooney. Not Colbert.

You can't point out everything a GM does that is bad and not give him credit for the picks that work out. Doesn't matter who wanted who, or why this guy is here or not. If we picked him them Colbert gets part of the credit. GOOD CREDIT OR BAD.

Overall to me Colbert is okay, If I had to stamp him on a scale of 1 to 100 I have to tell you I would be no better then 50 percent.

For the first few years we brought in every damn person you could think from the lions and only one worked out. IMO that is.

His drafts have been great with guys like TROY and BEN. Shit you can't give him enough credit for bringing in TROY, however our late round picks have been way off and not really even good Special team players. SO again I say 50 percent.

I give him credit for a superbowl victory and that alone gives him the right to stick it out.

One last thought that is very important. Most teams that are as good as we are with wins and losses every year. Which is not many, we are top 5 in the league over the past 10 to 15 years in wins and losses. Anyway my point is most teams that are good every year their GM gets the chance to pick up one to two big time FA every year. Colbert has to build from the draft and watch people leave for FA every year. If you miss on draft picks which every GM will do from time to time then it will show up more if you don't have the power to fix it quick in FA. Again for this reason I say he is doing fine.

I would raise that 50 to 75 to 80 percent if our line is rebuilt over the next two years and our LB's Mainly TImmons work out. I think all of that will work out, we will find out this year with TIMMONS>

[Slaine]

I find it interesting that everyone says how much he sucks in the 2nd day because the draftees don't stick and yet people forget that we have had a damn good team the past 10-15 years. It's always going to be tough to break in to a veteran team that's been playing pretty well so expecting large numbers of 5th 6th and 7th rounders to stick is just not being practical.

The Patriots - the font of all things - have just one of the guys on their roster that they drafted last year, their first rounder Brandon Merriwether. They did a lot of free agent work and had a pretty damn good team to begin with. Of those nine guys only one really stood a chance and he was a role player.

[Diamond Dave]

If Colbert sucks so bad, I would love to hear who people think is doing it right.

[Southern Steeler]

Chubster would nail every pick in every round Dave....he has 20/20 hindsight vision goggles. Just watch, he'll tell you!

[BermudaSteel]

I had to stop...after the first page...

Drivel just drives me insane.

Here's a Monday morning tip, Bubster - get yourself some Preparation H then go sit in the corner and drink a nice bottle of SHUT THE FLUCK UP!!!!!

[LeXX75]

how did we as Steeler fans and as a team survive with out the power of the bubster all these years....you sir are a god among men....well at least he is here now to save us all from the stupidity that would otherwise destory us..

[Parasite]

You can't point out everything a GM does that is bad and not give him credit for the picks that work out. Doesn't matter who wanted who, or why this guy is here or not. If we picked him them Colbert gets part of the credit. GOOD CREDIT OR BAD.

Overall to me Colbert is okay, If I had to stamp him on a scale of 1 to 100 I have to tell you I would be no better then 50 percent.

For the first few years we brought in every damn person you could think from the lions and only one worked out. IMO that is.

His drafts have been great with guys like TROY and BEN. Shit you can't give him enough credit for bringing in TROY, however our late round picks have been way off and not really even good Special team players. SO again I say 50 percent.

I give him credit for a superbowl victory and that alone gives him the right to stick it out.

One last thought that is very important. Most teams that are as good as we are with wins and losses every year. Which is not many, we are top 5 in the league over the past 10 to 15 years in wins and losses. Anyway my point is most teams that are good every year their GM gets the chance to pick up one to two big time FA every year. Colbert has to build from the draft and watch people leave for FA every year. If you miss on draft picks which every GM will do from time to time then it will show up more if you don't have the power to fix it quick in FA. Again for this reason I say he is doing fine.

I would raise that 50 to 75 to 80 percent if our line is rebuilt over the next two years and our LB's Mainly TImmons work out. I think all of that will work out, we will find out this year with TIMMONS>



Uhhh.....you do realize that Colbert/Cowher were not going to pick Ben and that Rooney forced them right?

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

I find it interesting that everyone says how much he sucks in the 2nd day because the draftees don't stick and yet people forget that we have had a damn good team the past 10-15 years. It's always going to be tough to break in to a veteran team that's been playing pretty well so expecting large numbers of 5th 6th and 7th rounders to stick is just not being practical.

The Patriots - the font of all things - have just one of the guys on their roster that they drafted last year, their first rounder Brandon Merriwether. They did a lot of free agent work and had a pretty damn good team to begin with. Of those nine guys only one really stood a chance and he was a role player.

They also had no 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rd pick last year som most of the guys they drafted were scrubs or worse. I will say this though, I believe they drafted 2-3 linemen with those late picks. Even with the solid line that they have.

[Slaine]

These are the same scrubs that everyone is saying that are supposed to be sticking on our roster.

And the Patriots did have a 4th rounder:


Round Pick From Name

1 24 Seattle Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami (Fla.)
4 28 Assigned Kareem Brown, DT, Miami (Fla.)
5 34 Compensatory Pick Clint Oldenburg, OT, Colorado State
6a 6 Arizona Justin Rogers, OLB, Southern Methodist
6b 28 Assigned Mike Richardson, CB, Notre Dame
6c 34 Compensatory Pick Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut
6d 35 Compensatory Pick Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State
7 1 Oakland Oscar Lua, ILB, Southern California
7 37 Compensatory Pick Mike Elgin, G, Iowa

[topseed]

Ben is here because of Rooney. Not Colbert.

I understand that. I wasn't the guy thanking Colbert for drafting him.

[Blind Official]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=reese_floyd&id=3262379