Steelers cut Kriedwalt, Tuman and Rossum

[Ike Kelly]

Didn't see this posted.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_553802.html

let the I told you so routine begin.

[Buster]

From what I can figure, that's $2.9 million savings this year with no dead money in the future!

[the Bubster]

another wasted pick on picking up Rossbum. good job colbutt!! Well, at least he did stick on the roster for a full season. Remember the year prior when colbutt threw away that pick he traded to get that bum RB Shelton from the patriots. The dude lasted about a week before getting cut.

colbutt doesnt value picks at all.

[Irv24]

I think the Patriots should pick them all up.
They were never used properly in Pittsburgh.
The would look good in the Blue, Sivler, and whatever other colors they wear in N.E.

[Southern Steeler]

another wasted pick on picking up Rossbum. good job colbutt!! Well, at least he did stick on the roster for a full season. Remember the year prior when colbutt threw away that pick he traded to get that bum RB Shelton from the patriots. The dude lasted about a week before getting cut.

colbutt doesnt value picks at all.

you're annoying.


Would you rather have kept Colclough back there?

[stevew]

well, at least there is a god.

[the Bubster]

you're annoying.


Would you rather have kept Colclough back there?

no, I'd rather have a competent GM who can find one without having to trade valuable picks away for 40 year old return man. How many seasons now has colbert tried finding a reliable returner. Some franchises find franchise QB's quicker than Colbutt can find a returner.

[the Bubster]

Consider this;

colbert traded up to select a punter. then he traded a pick to get a returner. So, in essence, he burned 3 draft picks to get a punter and a returner.

And some will still blindly support that fool.

[Southern Steeler]

What round was the pick we gave up for Rossum? 7th?
You plan on nailing a quality starter with that pick?


And keep in mind that's what we drafted Reid for....but he can't stay healthy.

Keep trying to push your agenda though.

[the Bubster]

Patriots got Brady in rd 6. Dont de value late round picks.

Reid was a wasted pick. He was healthy last season, he just had a problem catching the ball. another gem plucked by colbert.

[TMC]

He also drafted Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Santonio Holmes, Lamar Woodley, Ike Taylor, and Troy Polamalu. He also acquired Parker, Carey Davis, James Harrison, Nate Washington, and Jeff Reed without spending a single draft pick.

Ummm, and, he brought a Super Bowl win to Pittsburgh in only his 6th season as GM. Without the injury to Ben, it could have been two. Minus the cheating with the Pats, it could have been 4.

In Donahue's total tenure, he had one SB appearance.

[TMC]

Patriots got Brady in rd 6. Dont de value late round picks.

Reid was a wasted pick. He was healthy last season, he just had a problem catching the ball. another gem plucked by colbert.

The Chargers also got Ryan Leaf in round one. Don't under value teams simply fucking the pooch.

And, Reid does not have a problem CATCHING the ball, it is holding onto it AFTER he catches it.

[Southern Steeler]

Bubster's hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.........but he'll keep digging I'm sure!

[Southern Steeler]

Patriots got Brady in rd 6. Dont de value late round picks.




I'm sure they had him tagged as their starter all along, right? Which is why he was the 3rd string guy, right?

It's sheer circumstance that he even received an opportunity to play. As Grandpa Southern likes to say...."the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then."

[the Bubster]

He also drafted Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Santonio Holmes, Lamar Woodley, Ike Taylor, and Troy Polamalu. He also acquired Parker, Carey Davis, James Harrison, Nate Washington, and Jeff Reed without spending a single draft pick.

Ummm, and, he brought a Super Bowl win to Pittsburgh in only his 6th season as GM. Without the injury to Ben, it could have been two. Minus the cheating with the Pats, it could have been 4.

In Donahue's total tenure, he had one SB appearance.

c'mon TMC, you're better than that. those mid nineties steeler teams donohoe put together would destroy the 2005 SB team. the only reason the 95 team has no ring is because they happened to be facing one of the alltime great dynastys. No way the 05 steelers beat that cowboy team. you think they win that game with ben hanging a 22.6? no freaking way. that 95 steeler team would have beaten the hags by 30.

consider this, who on the 05 team was going to block lloyd? or kevin greene? Can you imagine simmons trying to get out on kirkland? hahahahahahaha Dawson would bitchslap fat casey all over the field. john Jackson would slap porter like a raggedy ann doll. dont

the talent level on that 95 team was vastly superior to the talent on the 05 team. That is a foolish argument for to even try and make.

[Southern Steeler]

c'mon TMC, you're better than that. those mid nineties steeler teams donohoe put together would destroy the 2005 SB team. the only reason the 95 team has no ring is because they happened to be facing one of the alltime great dynastys. No way the 05 steelers beat that cowboy team. you think they win that game with ben hanging a 22.6? no freaking way. that 95 steeler team would have beaten the hags by 30.

consider this, who on the 05 team was going to block lloyd? or kevin greene? Can you imagine simmons trying to get out on kirkland? hahahahahahaha Dawson would bitchslap fat casey all over the field. john Jackson would slap porter like a raggedy ann doll. dont

the talent level on that 95 team was vastly superior to the talent on the 05 team. That is a foolish argument for to even try and make.

all of which means what, exactly? Pure conjecture on your part.


Translation: I'm losing this argument.

[the Bubster]

if you want to argue the 05 team had more talent than the 95 team, then make the argument. Otherwise, shut your vagina up.

[Johnnylaw]

Colbert does a good job, hes not spectacular but hes far better than average. We have been spoiled so bad with consistently good teams since 1992. There were 2-3 years where we had to talk a few of you off the ledge, however I think we have the most wins in the NFL during that time. Imagine being a fan of some of the other teams in this league, one winning season out of every 4 or 5? Colbert helped win us a superbowl, he gets a little flexibility in my opinion. His good decisions out weigh the bad during his tenure.

[jpele]

you're annoying.





He's the Sean Mahan of the board.

[Supersteeler]

if you want to argue the 05 team had more talent than the 95 team, then make the argument. Otherwise, shut your vagina up.

When are you going to go away? I'm bored of you.

[Southern Steeler]

if you want to argue the 05 team had more talent than the 95 team, then make the argument. Otherwise, shut your vagina up.

And this has WHAT to do with the thread at hand?



Need a tampon?

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

Bubster's not making many friends here is he?

[Achie D]

you're annoying.


Would you rather have kept Colclough back there?

Annoying.

Hear hear.

[Achie D]

no, I'd rather have a competent GM who can find one without having to trade valuable picks away for 40 year old return man. How many seasons now has colbert tried finding a reliable returner. Some franchises find franchise QB's quicker than Colbutt can find a returner.

No, you're annoying.

[Stlrs4Life]

No real surprises in those cuts.

[Achie D]

Otherwise, shut your vagina up.

"shut your vagina up" ???!!!

Slither away.

[Secret Santa]

He's the Sean Mahan of the board.

I think he is the Alonzo Jackson.

[Hollywood Bags]

No Tuman, No St.Pierre, No Haggans, it has already been a great offseason, addition by subtraction in not having these bums around stealing paychecks

[Buster]

Let's just clarify...he's the Bubster...not Buster. I don't want to start getting death threats.

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

I am glad to finally see Kriewaldt and Tuman gone. Let's get some youth back instead of wasting money on non-hackers.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

So, ok, do we now draft another TE as the 3rd. Or do we go into the season with 2 true TE's plus draft a guy like Owen Schmidt and use him as a FB/TE hybrid?

[deljzc]

Bubster's not making many friends here is he?

I'm actually agreeing a lot more with what he says than most of you guys.

I think Colbert has been average at best. And the last couple of seasons (since the Super Bowl), he's been downright terrible.

His management of the salary cap is horrendous. His track record in the draft isn't as good as you guys are making it out to be and he foresight and planning just don't make any sense.

While I'm not nearly as down on Tomlin as he is, I do agree you can't rate Tomlin's first season as anything but pretty average. This team was favored in 16 out of 17 games this season and ended up 10-7. I know Vegas lines aren't bible, but when you're favored you have a chance to win and losing 6 games like that (including a home playoff game), certainly isn't "overachieving" or "exceeding goals".

There is no doubt in my mind that Colbert is the weak part of this organization right now. And we're going to see how bad he is without Cowher when we look back at 2007-2010 (or however long Colbert lasts) historically in the future.

I really think if managed correctly, this team could make a serious run at a title in 2009. But I just don't have any faith in what Colbert is doing towards that end. In order for that to happen 2007 and 2008 needed to be a rebuilding of youth and restructuring the offensive line. Instead it looks like his devotion to his own draft picks is blinding his judgement. With any type of Starks deal, we're scheduled to have the most expensive offensive line in the league next year in salary cap dollars. Yet I highly doubt this group he has faith in is really even in the top-half of the league.

When you overpay a group that much over what performance they give you on the field, the only person to blame and hold reponsible is the GM. There's just no real excuse to me that covers that.

Colbert's riding the tails of Roethlisberger, who he didn't even want to pick in the first place. Dan Rooney vetoed the guy Colbert/Cowher wanted.

Back to the point: Bubster you keep telling these guys the way you see it. It's nice to see not all Steelers fans drink the Rooney kool-aid all the time.

[Buster]

Back to the point: Buster you keep telling these guys the way you see it. It's nice to see not all Steelers fans drink the Rooney kool-aid all the time.

It's BUBSTER damn it!:mad:

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

I'm actually agreeing a lot more with what he says than most of you guys.

I think Colbert has been average at best. And the last couple of seasons (since the Super Bowl), he's been downright terrible.

His management of the salary cap is horrendous. His track record in the draft isn't as good as you guys are making it out to be and he foresight and planning just don't make any sense.

While I'm not nearly as down on Tomlin as he is, I do agree you can't rate Tomlin's first season as anything but pretty average. This team was favored in 16 out of 17 games this season and ended up 10-7. I know Vegas lines aren't bible, but when you're favored you have a chance to win and losing 6 games like that (including a home playoff game), certainly isn't "overachieving" or "exceeding goals".

There is no doubt in my mind that Colbert is the weak part of this organization right now. And we're going to see how bad he is without Cowher when we look back at 2007-2010 (or however long Colbert lasts) historically in the future.

I really think if managed correctly, this team could make a serious run at a title in 2009. But I just don't have any faith in what Colbert is doing towards that end. In order for that to happen 2007 and 2008 needed to be a rebuilding of youth and restructuring the offensive line. Instead it looks like his devotion to his own draft picks is blinding his judgement. With any type of Starks deal, we're scheduled to have the most expensive offensive line in the league next year in salary cap dollars. Yet I highly doubt this group he has faith in is really even in the top-half of the league.

When you overpay a group that much over what performance they give you on the field, the only person to blame and hold reponsible is the GM. There's just no real excuse to me that covers that.

Colbert's riding the tails of Roethlisberger, who he didn't even want to pick in the first place. Dan Rooney vetoed the guy Colbert/Cowher wanted.

Back to the point: Bubster you keep telling these guys the way you see it. It's nice to see not all Steelers fans drink the Rooney kool-aid all the time.

You know now that you mention it, he is absolutely 100% right on. The sky is falling and it's all Colbert's fault. Woe is me. We should burn the fucker at the stake.

[Supersteeler]

How was bubster allowed to register under two different names? That doesn't seem fair at all.

[TMC]

c'mon TMC, you're better than that. those mid nineties steeler teams donohoe put together would destroy the 2005 SB team. the only reason the 95 team has no ring is because they happened to be facing one of the alltime great dynastys. No way the 05 steelers beat that cowboy team. you think they win that game with ben hanging a 22.6? no freaking way. that 95 steeler team would have beaten the hags by 30.

consider this, who on the 05 team was going to block lloyd? or kevin greene? Can you imagine simmons trying to get out on kirkland? hahahahahahaha Dawson would bitchslap fat casey all over the field. john Jackson would slap porter like a raggedy ann doll. dont

the talent level on that 95 team was vastly superior to the talent on the 05 team. That is a foolish argument for to even try and make.

You really think so? We had three Pro Bowl offensive linemen in Hartings, Faneca, and Smith. We had Roethlisberger, Parker, Bettis, Ward, and Miller on offense. On defense, we had Hampton, Aaron Smith, Joey Porter, Farrior, and Polamalu....all Pro Bowlers. In addition, we have better corner play because that team was without Woodson for most of the season. That 1995 team did not have the run game of the 2005 team and lacked the passing prowess....unless you want to count those two O'Donnell INTs as passing prowess.

And, Chris Hope went on to be close to getting a Pro Bowl nod in Tenn....so he was vastly underrated here. El signed a pretty significant contract when he left. Not only was that 2005 team littered with Pro Bowlers, it had depth.

Funny, the '95 Steelers could not get past the dynasty that was Dallas, but the 2005 Steelers did not falter under the Pats dynasty, it crushed a good Colts team at home, and was the first team to be a 6 seed and win it all. Nada at home, an advantage the 1995 team had. No 1000 yard rusher and only 1-1,000 yard receiver. Jackson, Newsome, Dawson, Strzelczyk, and Searcy......wow, they really scare a defense. That offense had 21 INTs and 18 fumbles lost. They had few weapons and snuck by the Chargers at home.

I guess the Chargers were a dynasty too.

[Rabid since '72]

You almost had me until I saw this:

"john Jackson would slap porter like a raggedy ann doll."

Now listen, I was never a big Porter guy but come on man! You have been exposed as a shameless shit-stirrer. Your act is T-I-R-E-D.

You are now once and forever - Chicken Little.

Thank you. Drive through.

[tdub88]

Bubster's not making many friends here is he?

He's quite Coach-like only more idiotic, and more of an asshole. His football knowledge is right up there with Coach's though.

It's easy to bitch about something/everything(in every single thread no less) but coming up with a constructive alternative is difficult for some.



It doesn't mean you drink the kool aid if you don't agree with Buster. ;)

[deljzc]

He's quite Coach-like only more idiotic, and more of an . His football knowledge is right up there with Coach's though.

It's easy to bitch about something/everything(in every single thread no less) but coming up with a constructive alternative is difficult for some.



It doesn't mean you drink the kool aid if you don't agree with Buster. ;)

Well, I haven't been around enough to know how ANNOYING Buster is.

But as far as his analysis of Colbert, I'm going to agree with him. The last two offseasons since the super bowl victory have been very mediocre if not downright bad. He's been replacing aging pro bowlers with lesser talents and sticking by his draft picks when they just aren't that good of players.

His tendancy to restructure contracts, costing us salary cap dollars in the future to make room now is short-sighted and a recurring trend that continues to always push us against the cap ceiling.

I thought, and still think, this off-season is extremely critical and his handling of it so far has been mind boggling.

Obviously, it's early and you can't really ever grade an off-season because a GM's work is never done. It's never season-to-season. His imprint on the team is everywhere even during the season.

Given our tough schedule, I'm not keeping my hopes high for 2008. But I did have high hopes for 2009. However, if Colbert's plans for our offensive line revolve around having Mahan, Simmons and Starks signed for a combined $65-$70 million in contracts and counting $15 million against the salary cap every season is his answer to putting a good, playoff caliber offensive line together, I have to strongly disagree with his assessment of the current O-line talent he's drafted/picked up in free agency.

That's where we're headed with his transition tag on Starks.

In 2005 we had our money invested in Smith, Faneca and Hartings (all players drafted in the top 40 picks) - all probowlers at one point in their careers. I have no faith his decision to spend similar money on Simmons, Starks and Mahan (1st, 3rd and 5th round talents) will yield similar results.

Having no other choices isn't a good enough reason to overspend. It never is and if Colbert is convincing or justifying these moves because no other "options" exist, he's just not doing his job well.

[Chicoman]

Loosing Kreiwalt is only going to hurt our special teams and he was a solid backup ILB. I shudder in fear at how pathetic our special teams are going to be this season.

I wasn't big on Rossum but now we need another return specialist too. I'd rather see Casey Hampton back there returning punts & kickoffs than Willie Reid, he can't even catch the damn ball.

[BLITZ 43]

I am ok with all these moves I think it is time Reid either stepped up and became the return man we drafted, and yes that includes holing onto the ball!!! If not add him to the list of cut players too and lets draft a few more wr's. As far as Kreidwalt goes our ST was bad anyways so can it get any worse, I think not! As far as this BUBSTER goes man if you are not happy with the Steelers head on over to the NY Giant message board, I work with so many Giant fans just like you. When things are bad you want to fire everyone but when things are good you are all chest out!

[warriors42]

Let's just clarify...he's the Bubster...not Buster. I don't want to start getting death threats.

LOL. don't worry about it. you just keep putting up those lottery threads, we have to hit sooner or later..

[Superman]

I used to think Buster was an ok-guy. He's turned into an ass.

[VaSteelerFan]

Bubster would rather have fumbled returns twice a game than give up a 7th round pick.

Brilliant!

Fucking moron.

[the Bubster]

dont forget, when the steelers announced they were moving timmons to ILB, they stated he was behind kriewaldt on the depth chart.

timmons slurpers going to have a hard time justifying that turd as the overall #15 pick.

[Superman]

Drew Henson.

[Buster]

I used to think Buster was an ok-guy. He's turned into an ass.


I had you fooled for a while. Now I've been exposed.

[Superman]

And this has WHAT to do with the thread at hand?



Need a tampon?

obviously it proves Drew Henson should have been our savior had we used a 5th round pick on him like Coochubster wanted to do.

[Superman]

we cut Kreiwaldt. Like it matters. our STs sucked anyway. We can be at least as bad without him.
we cut Tuman. Writing was on the wall when we took Spaeth.
we cut Rossum. He's ok, but not a game-breaker. IMO, it means that either Reid or Bloom will have the job returning kicks.

[BLEEDS]

we cut Kreiwaldt. Like it matters. our STs sucked anyway. We can be at least as bad without him.
we cut Tuman. Writing was on the wall when we took Spaeth.
we cut Rossum. He's ok, but not a game-breaker. IMO, it means that either Reid or Bloom will have the job returning kicks.

What he said. 100% accurate.

Move along, be happy we are dumping expensive fodder...

PEACE

-BLEEDS

[FistfullofRings]

no, I'd rather have a competent GM who can find one without having to trade valuable picks away for 40 year old return man. How many seasons now has colbert tried finding a reliable returner. Some franchises find franchise QB's quicker than Colbutt can find a returner.

OK, did Colbert bang your mom and then blow her off or something?

SHEESH!

[the Bubster]

we cut Kreiwaldt. Like it matters. our STs sucked anyway. We can be at least as bad without him.
we cut Tuman. Writing was on the wall when we took Spaeth.
we cut Rossum. He's ok, but not a game-breaker. IMO, it means that either Reid or Bloom will have the job returning kicks.


if they resigned them all, you'd berationalizing them as good signings.

Fact is kirshke shouldnt have been resigned, but yet you rationalized the signing of that rag. Be consistent with yuo're arguments and people will take you more seriously.

[t-bone]

yeah.....there's a problem you don't have

[JEFFRO]

Be consistent with yuo're arguments and people will take you more seriously.

And you think anyone here is taking you seriously?

Shirley, you jest!

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

http://www.nndb.com/people/158/000023089/ln1.jpg

Ted Striker: Surely you can't be serious.
Rumack: I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.

[3diamonds5rings]

LOL... 2 years in a row for me... Last year I was going with the Morey jersey... this year was the Kriewaldt! Thank god i didnt plunk down.

[3diamonds5rings]

dont forget, when the steelers announced they were moving timmons to ILB, they stated he was behind kriewaldt on the depth chart.

timmons slurpers going to have a hard time justifying that turd as the overall #15 pick.

I still think that pick shouldda been Posluzny... I think it was the perfect situation.

And Revis looks good in hindsight... no?

[K from Cal]

another wasted pick on picking up Rossbum. good job colbutt!! Well, at least he did stick on the roster for a full season. Remember the year prior when colbutt threw away that pick he traded to get that bum RB Shelton from the patriots. The dude lasted about a week before getting cut.

colbutt doesnt value picks at all.

Getting Rossum was all Tomlin. Colbert had little to do with it except for pulling off the trade as Tomlin asked. They need to build their relationship and it'll take some time. What we know from Colbertis he's a good guy who is easy to get along with. This worked great with Cowher. Tomlin's going to need to rely more on letting Colbert doing his job and staying out of the way.

[K from Cal]

obviously it proves Drew Henson should have been our savior had we used a 5th round pick on him like Coochubster wanted to do.

and Bo Lacy our stud offensive lineman. Coach, where are thou?

[FAB802]

I had you fooled for a while. Now I've been exposed.

I wouldn't expose myself around Supe.

[TriadSteeler]

Kreiwalt and Tuman are both prototypical "Cowher" guys. We always had a guy on the roster (Slow white LB who played ST) who was a modern day Bill Cowher( Kriewalt, Fiala, Olsavsky) I think this is more of a statement of Tomlin and Colbert working together to get "Tomlin" guys.

Lets see what they come up with in April and most importantly lets see what kind of UDFA's they can find. That is where the FO usually shines. Keep the faith. We will be in the hunt next season even with the brutal schedule in 2008.

[Stoney]

OK, did Colbert bang your mom and then blow her off or something?

SHEESH!

Thats one of the more childish posts I've seen in a while.

[Aries1247]

I think what were all missing here is Kriewalt & Rossum have been let go but Lishitsky still holds his job.

[toledosteel7]

damnit, now I have to get a new background for my computer... can't use Steeler Country any more with Rossum in it...

shit, at least Rossum could hold onto the ball. Anytime anybody else is back there, I got the heebie jeebies, and rightfully so.

[Superman]

if they resigned them all, you'd berationalizing them as good signings.

Fact is kirshke shouldnt have been resigned, but yet you rationalized the signing of that rag. Be consistent with yuo're arguments and people will take you more seriously.


you foncuse me with Drama Queen of Hindsight Coochubster

[topseed]

While I'm not nearly as down on Tomlin as he is, I do agree you can't rate Tomlin's first season as anything but pretty average. This team was favored in 16 out of 17 games this season and ended up 10-7. I know Vegas lines aren't bible, but when you're favored you have a chance to win and losing 6 games like that (including a home playoff game), certainly isn't "overachieving" or "exceeding goals".


Actually, for the sake of correctness, the Jaguars were the favorite in that playoff game. Not that I disagree with your point.

[Chicoman]

I think what were all missing here is Kriewalt & Rossum have been let go but Lishitsky still holds his job.

DING! DING!! DING!!!

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!

[the Bubster]

Kreiwalt and Tuman are both prototypical "Cowher" guys. We always had a guy on the roster (Slow white LB who played ST) who was a modern day Bill Cowher( Kriewalt, Fiala, Olsavsky) I think this is more of a statement of Tomlin and Colbert working together to get "Tomlin" guys.

.

so kirshke is a "Tomlin" guy? God help us.

[deljzc]

Really, the bad thing about the cuts is the timing.

These players were barely using up cap space vs. minimum salary guys (maybe $1 million more total). To me, why not keep them around through at least the draft? OTA's? Training camp?

Maybe come August, you might actually want these guys on the roster. You never know and at that point you can always say "take a pay cut or we'll release you" and maybe even keep them around a little cheaper.

I'm not saying DON'T ever cut Tuman, Kriewaldt or Rossum. I just don't see a real benefit to the Steelers to do it now.

[LeXX75]

And Revis looks good in hindsight... no?

and what makes you think we wouldn't have picked him if he were still there......
kinda hard picking a guy who has already been picked by another team..

[LeXX75]

didn't take long...
49ers agreed to terms with CB/PR Allen Rossum, formerly of the Steelers.

He gives the Niners a return option if Maurice Hicks leaves in free agency, which appears likely. Rossum no longer is a capable defensive player.
Source: Santa Rosa Press Democrat

[Aries1247]

didn't take long...
49ers agreed to terms with CB/PR Allen Rossum, formerly of the Steelers.

He gives the Niners a return option if Maurice Hicks leaves in free agency, which appears likely. Rossum no longer is a capable defensive player.
Source: Santa Rosa Press Democrat

All you have to do is look at Cribb's return in the later Stain game to see that.