Michael Turner

[Smidrow]

From DraftDaddy blog

Mike Turner's (Chargers tailback) people are not happy here in Indy. Apparently his agent has been told precisely what I expected -- the draft is loaded with tailbacks and teams in dire need at running back will draft one. The one team that might be his buyer is New Orleans, because Deuce's recovery has hit some snags, according to their trainers. The Steelers like Turner alot, but they don't like the numbers he is looking for. Arizona, reportedly, loves him but can't afford to even buy groceries on their cap. They just had to cut three players to get a little wiggle room.

The New York Giants are rumored to have completed a deal Thursday Night at St. Elmo's Steak House to send pick number 31 to the Atlanta Falcons in exchange for disgruntled, but talented, cornerback DeAngelo Hall. Again, that's a hot rumor, but our main source has not confirmed it yet.

[thesteelcity]

any other players we can dump to fit into Turner's ballpark?? Would LOVE to have Turner and Willie in the backfield, but that would be a ton of $$ back there. "California Dreamin'. . ."

[Smidrow]

I agree!! Turner would be a great fit if the price is right.

[thesteelcity]

signing him would make my pre-draft off-season, but there are greater needs on this team and RB is a distant fourth or even fifth priority to OL, DL, DB and Ben's tall WR.

[SteelerFan448]

Turner doesn't want to leave San Diego to sit behind another RB.

[Doc]

whats dumbster think of this? He'll tell me how to feel about this.

[thesteelcity]

Turner doesn't want to leave San Diego to sit behind another RB.

very true, but do you think Willie can play a whole season or will we start to see his wheels start to fall off 3/4 into the season? I honestly don't know if WP is the protoypical RB to survive the rigors of a whole season in the NFL.

[Hollywood Bags]

I think Gary Russell will prove to be the next Michael Turner at a fraction of the cost and he turns 21 this season.

[SteelerFan448]

very true, but do you think Willie can play a whole season or will we start to see his wheels start to fall off 3/4 into the season? I honestly don't know if WP is the protoypical RB to survive the rigors of a whole season in the NFL.

I agree that we need an upgrade to take some of the load off of Willie, but Turner won't be that answer. I hope that Russell steps it up this year or that we find someone in the mid-late rounds of the draft.

[Vader]

Turner is a good RB but you can find a good RB in the later rounds of the draft and not have to pay what Turner is asking for. I'd rather bring in a FA WR.

[Stoney]

Re-fresh my memory: does Turner play the guard or tackle position?

[Steelerfan81]

Why would we pay him huge money to back-up Parker?

[Steelers.exe]

Overrated.

[ConnecticutDan]

Turner doesn't want to leave San Diego to sit behind another RB.

Ding!

Nice shot kid. Pick out something nice off the middle shelf.

[kurtistb]

Why would we pay him huge money to back-up Parker?

I also bet his contract will end up being larger than Willie's

[Steelerman58]

If he's bringing the Bolts O-Line with him, sign him.

[BLITZ 43]

Turner would be nice but we have so much money right now tied up on the oline and that is still a bad unit we couldn't afford to pay big money to a back up rb especially with this years draft of rb's being so deep and we still have Russell as an option.

[The Iron is Steel On!]

We're not going to need Turner when Colbert picks Stewart in the first round even though we should go OL.

I'd like to get Ray Rice in the 3rd though.

That Campbell guy from Miami is intriguing though. Maybe him in 1, Nicks or that USC guard in 2.

[kurtistb]

We're not going to need Turner when Colbert picks Stewart in the first round even though we should go OL.

I'd like to get Ray Rice in the 3rd though.

That Campbell guy from Miami is intriguing though. Maybe him in 1, Nicks or that USC guard in 2.

this is the first time I have ever heard you suggest taking anything other than a RB in round 1 or 2. You are well on you're way to recovery.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

We're not going to need Turner when Colbert picks Stewart in the first round even though we should go OL.

I'd like to get Ray Rice in the 3rd though.

That Campbell guy from Miami is intriguing though. Maybe him in 1, Nicks or that USC guard in 2.

2 Stewarts? Hmmmmmm...........The resemblance is uncanny.


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[Supersteeler]

We're not going to need Turner when Colbert picks Stewart in the first round even though we should go OL.

I'd like to get Ray Rice in the 3rd though.

That Campbell guy from Miami is intriguing though. Maybe him in 1, Nicks or that USC guard in 2.

Seriously, if you were a team GM would you take a RB in the 1st and 2nd round every single draft?

Lol, we'd have a stockpile of talent at least, even though like 20 of them would never get to play.

[the Bubster]

steelers aint ante ing up for burner turner, but if they did, I'll tell you one thing right now. No way he sits behind parker. turner is bigger faster stronger and actually has natural RB instincts.

[Supersteeler]

steelers aint ante ing up for burner turner, but if they did, I'll tell you one thing right now. No way he sits behind parker. turner is bigger faster stronger and actually has natural RB instincts.

I think he would sit. You don't bench a perennial 1400 yard back for a guy who has only played in mop up duty.

At the very least they would split carries.

[3diamonds5rings]

1. No real need right now (Russell/Davis still unproven... Draft upcoming)
2. Not for his $$$
3. What has he proven beyond returning kicks?

[FAB802]

Someone will pay him a lot of money to start. He won't produce as well starting as he did getting situational carries behind the best back in the league. People will be shocked. They are stupid.

We don't need him. If Tomlin feels like we need another back they will get one who is alright being a backup. I have news for some of you, Willie is our starter, and will be for years. Get over it and worry about a real need position already.

[BLITZ 43]

1. No real need right now (Russell/Davis still unproven... Draft upcoming)
2. Not for his $$$
3. What has he proven beyond returning kicks?


Now now remember how bad we are at kick returns....lol!!

[the Bubster]

Someone will pay him a lot of money to start. He won't produce as well starting as he did getting situational carries behind the best back in the league. People will be shocked. They are stupid.

We don't need him. If Tomlin feels like we need another back they will get one who is alright being a backup. I have news for some of you, Willie is our starter, and will be for years. Get over it and worry about a real need position already.

That is wishful thinking. Parker plays with alot of heart, but he clearly lost a step, and for a RB whose greatest asset is speed, that isnt a good thing.

I'm not concerned at all about his recovery from a broken ankle, but the cartiledge damage he had early in camp is a definite concern. That type of injury is a wear & tear type of injury. Not a big concern for lineman, but for a speed RB, its a signal that he is defionitely on the downside of his career.

[BLITZ 43]

That is wishful thinking. Parker plays with alot of heart, but he clearly lost a step, and for a RB whose greatest asset is speed, that isnt a good thing.

I'm not concerned at all about his recovery from a broken ankle, but the cartiledge damage he had early in camp is a definite concern. That type of injury is a wear & tear type of injury. Not a big concern for lineman, but for a speed RB, its a signal that he is defionitely on the downside of his career.


Oh so now you have become a doctor too, maybe there is a place on the Giants medical staff for ya. Were you ignored your whole life and your looking for attention here? Come on man how long are you going to come on here and put every guy we talk about down? Like I have said before if you don't like the direction the Steelers are going jump ship. It is ok to disagree and we all have our opinions but man the shit you come up with is like high school shit. So far you want both Tomlin and Colbert gone along with Smith(to make a statement) and now you are ready to make FWP a back up if not this year but next. What is your deal?

[Supersteeler]

Oh so now you have become a doctor too, maybe there is a place on the Giants medical staff for ya. Were you ignored your whole life and your looking for attention here? Come on man how long are you going to come on here and put every guy we talk about down? Like I have said before if you don't like the direction the Steelers are going jump ship. It is ok to disagree and we all have our opinions but man the you come up with is like high school . So far you want both Tomlin and Colbert gone along with Smith(to make a statement) and now you are ready to make FWP a back up if not this year but next. What is your deal?

Well you know Willie has lost a step since he's on the "downside of his career". He's clearly past his prime and needs to call it a career. Come on Willie, you're too old just hang 'em up while you can still walk without a cane.

[Mike64]

I don't think it's that he has lost speed, it's just that the Steelers pound him up the middle attempting to make him a power back.

[BLITZ 43]

Well you know Willie has lost a step since he's on the "downside of his career". He's clearly past his prime and needs to call it a career. Come on Willie, you're too old just hang 'em up while you can still walk without a cane.


LMAO, oh yeah I hear what your saying. Hey maybe we could talk to the Dolphins and see what the #1 pick will cost us and trade for it and grab McFadden???? Oh god I hope Bubster don't get all wet and sticky about this idea :eek:

[the Bubster]

Problem is, as usual, too many dont want to read the writing on the wall. At the time of willie's snapped spindle, he was leading the league in 20 plus yard carrues. what that says is that he was in to the 2nd level of the defense more than any other RB. Now, many would like to use that stat to show he hasnt lost a step, but in fact, correct analyzation of that shows he did lose a step.

Fact is, FWP was into the 2 nd level of the defense more than any other RB, yet his longest run was somewhere around 38 yards. A homerun threat will break some long runs once in to the 2nd level, but FWP didnt break any long runs, and fact of the matter is, his longest run of the year was about 4 yards longer than Ben's longest run of the year.

Add to that fact, FWP, has shown a steady decline of yard per carry over the last 4 years. Now, amny, as usual, want to lay all that blame at declining oline play, but stats say willie got to the 2nd level more than any other RB, the job of the oline is to get him into that second level, which they did, more than any other oline got their RB. FWP did little once into that 2nd level, which at that point the onus is on him. Keeo in mind, the steelers have the best blocking WR's in the nfl, so its not like FWP didnt get any help with downfield blocking. He just lost that extra gear that made him a homerun threat. willie was a homerun threat who now hits nothing but singles.

The oline was adequate run blocking unit, it was in pass pro where they are abysmal, which leads me to FWP's blitz pickup...errrr failure to do so. Ah, another topic, another thread.

[Mike64]

Instead of him trying to outrun defenders, he's trying to run them over and it is not happening. The Steelers pound the guy inside than bring in Davenport and run to the outside. Sure, he probably is wearing down a little bit, thats what the rigors of a 16+ game schedule will do to you, but the guy is still going to start and is still going to gain about 1100-1300 yards per year.

[t-bone]

and how many opportunities did FWP actually have at 20+ yards on any given carry?

let's review...

Colon had problems.....Mahan couldn't cut off a LBer to save his life....Marvel had a bad back most of the year, i.e., his push wasn't so good....no one was getting their guy on the ground much.....that OT play that scored in the SB and LT scored 11tybillion TD's on?...teams know it's coming....and with our O-line last year, we weren't exactly dictating the terms.....plus at least ONE game where anything over a 5 yd run was a miracle on cleats....also, he busted his leg on the first series in St. Louis, so there's another game subtracted from the numbers.

FWP may....may...have been worn down a bit....afterall, he lead the league in carries til he went out....yes, we need someone rather than Davenport/Haynes/Russel to choose from.


but I don't think FWP has lost anything.....

[TMC]

Problem is, as usual, too many dont want to read the writing on the wall. At the time of willie's snapped spindle, he was leading the league in 20 plus yard carrues. what that says is that he was in to the 2nd level of the defense more than any other RB. Now, many would like to use that stat to show he hasnt lost a step, but in fact, correct analyzation of that shows he did lose a step.

Fact is, FWP was into the 2 nd level of the defense more than any other RB, yet his longest run was somewhere around 38 yards. A homerun threat will break some long runs once in to the 2nd level, but FWP didnt break any long runs, and fact of the matter is, his longest run of the year was about 4 yards longer than Ben's longest run of the year.

Add to that fact, FWP, has shown a steady decline of yard per carry over the last 4 years. Now, amny, as usual, want to lay all that blame at declining oline play, but stats say willie got to the 2nd level more than any other RB, the job of the oline is to get him into that second level, which they did, more than any other oline got their RB. FWP did little once into that 2nd level, which at that point the onus is on him. Keeo in mind, the steelers have the best blocking WR's in the nfl, so its not like FWP didnt get any help with downfield blocking. He just lost that extra gear that made him a homerun threat. willie was a homerun threat who now hits nothing but singles.

The oline was adequate run blocking unit, it was in pass pro where they are abysmal, which leads me to FWP's blitz pickup...errrr failure to do so. Ah, another topic, another thread.


Brilliant. Simply brilliant. So, since Willie Parker had 12 carries of 20+ yards and did not have any over 40, he has lost a step. LT had 13 over 20 and only 2 over 40.....better bench LT. Westbrook had 11 over 20 and none over 40. Bench TIME. Justin Fargas, who blazed a sub 4.4 a few seasons ago, had 6 over 20 and 1 over 40. Sucks too...cause the Raiders just re-signed him.....you should have made this analysis sooner. Reggie Bush did not have any over 40 either....and he is in his 2nd year....ALREADY losing his speed.

You are a DUMBASS the likes of which we have not seen in a while. Shoot yourself, if not for the sake of those close to you, do it for mankind......clean up the gene pool.

[the Bubster]

TMC,,
it is foolish to analyze FWP without taking in to account previous year's performance. How can you tell he is slipping if you are simply looking his 07 stats without comparing them to previous years, something your juvenile analysis failed to do.

parker had 12 carries of over 20 yards, but none over 40 in 07? Ok, now compare that to how many carries he had for 20 plus yards and see how many of those he turned into 40 plus yarders in previous years. Compare that and get back to me and tell me hasnt lost a step.

your amatuerish arguments hold no water. Step your game up or I'm going to stop debating your childish opinions.

[Vader]

Obviously Bubster has never actually played on a football field. The OL does more than just block 1st level defenders. That's what makes a great OL is to get to the 2nd level. You could just put 500lb men if all you wanted was to block the first level. Go watch Parker rip off the run in the SB. You will see Faneca blocking 10 yards down field.

I also don't know if you realize that DL don't just tackle people around the LOS. They actually run after the guy with the ball. So if the OL isn't doing it's job the DL will still get tackles down the field.

Put Parker behind a real OL and he still can get it done.

[TMC]

TMC,,
it is foolish to analyze FWP without taking in to account previous year's performance. How can you tell he is slipping if you are simply looking his 07 stats without comparing them to previous years, something your juvenile analysis failed to do.

parker had 12 carries of over 20 yards, but none over 40 in 07? Ok, now compare that to how many carries he had for 20 plus yards and see how many of those he turned into 40 plus yarders in previous years. Compare that and get back to me and tell me hasnt lost a step.

your amatuerish arguments hold no water. Step your game up or I'm going to stop debating your childish opinions.

He had 3 runs of greater than 40 in the previous two season.....please tell me you are not hanging this whole argument on 3 runs in 337 carries. Please tell me you have more that that.

I'll give you one better than that....in 2006, when he had 3 carries greater than 40 yards, how many went for TDs? ONE. FUCKING ONE. So, where was the breakaway speed on the other two?

In 2005, he had TWO of his MASSIVE three go for scores. I guess he lost a step on the 3rd one.

In essence, he only had 3 runs in the previous two seasons where he outran EVERYONE. Three runs in 592 carries. How can we ever survive without those 1.5 runs a season?

And please, you want to talk about shitty analysis, how can you tell if a back has slipped without taking into account the play of the 10 other guys on his team, the changes in offensive philosophy, the removal of his blocking FB, changing to 1 back sets, and all the other instances. You COMPLETELY overlook all that and hang your whole ANALysis on 6 runs over 2 years.

Get your mom to wipe the oatmeal off your chin and change your depends.

[TMC]

Obviously Bubster has never actually played on a football field. The OL does more than just block 1st level defenders. That's what makes a great OL is to get to the 2nd level. You could just put 500lb men if all you wanted was to block the first level. Go watch Parker rip off the run in the SB. You will see Faneca blocking 10 yards down field.

I also don't know if you realize that DL don't just tackle people around the LOS. They actually run after the guy with the ball. So if the OL isn't doing it's job the DL will still get tackles down the field.

Put Parker behind a real OL and he still can get it done.


CUMDumpster has been on a football field plenty. When the trash blows out the stands, he has to carry his bag down and pick it up.

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

steelers aint ante ing up for burner turner, but if they did, I'll tell you one thing right now. No way he sits behind parker. turner is bigger faster stronger and actually has natural RB instincts.

Your crazy. I see this kid first hand every week out here. Okay he can return kicks, not punts...and so can many other players in the NFL, he plays behind arguably one of the best if not the best O-Line's in football, some of Tomlinson's ability gets automatically tabbed on this kid too...See where I am going with this. Put him on most any other team and their wouldn't be as much hype if any hype at all about him. And no he is not faster...I don't think that he would be a pro bowler ahead of Willie either. Not hatin' here but there is more to this than what people actually think. On the surface Turner looks like an all star but reality is, he is just another Joe.

[LeXX75]

I'd like to get Ray Rice in the 3rd though.



so would every other team in the NFL..Rice will be long gone by the 3rd ...after a 4.4 today....early 2nd sometime is my guess

[The Iron is Steel On!]

....early 2nd sometime is my guess

Hopefully we'll take him then.

[Sabin]

And please, you want to talk about shitty analysis, how can you tell if a back has slipped without taking into account the play of the 10 other guys on his team, the changes in offensive philosophy, the removal of his blocking FB, changing to 1 back sets, and all the other instances.


Furthermore, one can't overlook how the changes in offensive philosophy altered the defensive sets stacked to stop us. In running a two WR set with a FB the opposing defense is more able to cheat up into the box. This presents a situation where, if your RB can get through the initial level, he stands a greater chance of running loose through the secondary.

Now remove that FB, add another WR, and the defense sits back on its heels a bit to protect against the pass. This gives the RB a greater chance of bursting through the line, but makes it more difficut for him to break a long run through the secondary.

[Steeltime]

Hopefully we'll take him then.

Maybe the Steelers could select six running backs.

That way, when the RB gets killed each week due to the serious, major shortcomings on the OL, the team can just plug in the next RB.

With Parker, Davenport and Russell already on the roster, that would get the Steelers to week 10 before they run out of RB's.

[Supersteeler]

Maybe the Steelers could select six running backs.



He never made it past this statement. He got this far then creamed his jeans. That is his perfect draft, lol.

[Superman]

I'll tell you a bitch whose really lost a step. Dante Brown.

[Southern Steeler]

I wonder what Amos is doing these days?

[Mike64]

The same Dante Brown who fought with Willie Parker for a spot on the team?

[Superman]

the same Dante Brown who slammed his rod so deep in Coochubster's throat he was shitting cum for weeks.

[Superman]

I wonder what Amos is doing these days?

finding lost steps

[t-bone]

finding lost steps

and tripping over them when he DOES find them.

[Mike64]

I'll never forget in '01against Cleveland when Amos had beaten everyone for the touchdown, was at about the 5 yard line and trips and falls and does not score. Next play, Kordell fumbles out of the endzone making it a touchback or a safety or something. No points for us.

[BermudaSteel]

Turner is a good RB but you can find a good RB in the later rounds of the draft and not have to pay what Turner is asking for. I'd rather bring in a FA WR.

Good point.

I'm ignoring Bubblie's statements...someone get him a shot of Ridallin...