Jarvis Jones - First Round pick 2013

[BermudaSteel]

Let me be the first to say that I DO NOT LIKE THIS PICK. My opinion about Kevin Colbert and Coach Tomlin, right now, is not very good.

I will also say that I hope that it does work out and we've found a "diamond in the rough"; I can only see a coal mine right now...

[xc944]

Let me be the first to say that I DO NOT LIKE THIS PICK. My opinion about Kevin Colbert and Coach Tomlin, right now, is not very good.

I will also say that I hope that it does work out and we've found a "diamond in the rough"; I can only see a coal mine right now...

What tomlin is a boy genius who is the master of the universe why the sudden change. This pick was horrible what the hell happened to the steelers

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

I don;t think he was BPA ... I also don't like how Jarvis is tweeting how is is not getting past the Steelers. Either the Steelers are terrible poker players, or they are stupid telegraphing who they want... either way, if they really wanted him, why would you TELEGRAPH THAT ?

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'm hoping Tomlin gets lucky in Rd 2 with a real OLB like he did with Woodley after he missed with Timmons.

[ironcitysteelers]

Why is everyone down on him?

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

Sorry, but Eifert was the better pick.

I think they like Jarvis's GRIT... he goes after the ball and creates turnovers... Not sure how well that will translate in the NFL... I think they got caught up on one aspect of him and lost the forest... saw that tree but lost aspect of the forest.

[BermudaSteel]

I'm hoping Tomlin gets lucky in Rd 2 with a real OLB like he did with Woodley after he missed with Timmons.

Why do you hate Timmons so much? He's the BEST LB on the team???

[BermudaSteel]

Why is everyone done in him?

He HAS spinal stinosis (sp?) The McNeil kid from SD had a short career - same injury. I hope I'm wrong like I said above but I just don't understand the risk when Eifert or even Sharrif Floyd were available...

[SteelerinMD]

I just wonder why many even consider themselves Steelers fans or want to be. Not calling anyone out or pointing fingers, just wonder why some don't choose a different team

[steel shinin]

I'm hoping Tomlin gets lucky in Rd 2 with a real OLB like he did with Woodley after he missed with Timmons.

Sarcasm? How is Timmons a miss. The dude is a really good player.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Why do you hate Timmons so much? He's the BEST LB on the team???

What is Timmons good at?

[xc944]

Let me be the first to say that I DO NOT LIKE THIS PICK. My opinion about Kevin Colbert and Coach Tomlin, right now, is not very good.

I will also say that I hope that it does work out and we've found a "diamond in the rough"; I can only see a coal mine right now...


Why do you hate Timmons so much? He's the BEST LB on the team???thats very debatable and we don't have any good linebackers

[BermudaSteel]

What is Timmons good at?

This comment does not even deserve the attention you seek...

[xc944]

What is Timmons good at?

Getting overpaid and getting a few to believe his 4 sash plays a year means he's good

[BermudaSteel]

thats very debatable and we don't have any good linebackers

Another poop-filled comment. Thanks...

[xc944]

This comment does not even deserve the attention you seek...
It absolutely does. He's extremely weak and horrible at shedding blocks. He gets stoned flat in his tracks by r s when blitzing and is the most over rated guy in the league in coverage

[xc944]

Another poop-filled comment. Thanks...

that's a good one really killed me. Did god make you lose another job yet

[Steelz]

I'm ok with the pick.. even though we're going to lose him to free agency in 3-4 years anyways because we don't have the cap to keep/resign anybody. But if he can stay healthy he may make our #1 defense slightly better than what it was last year, atleast in the linebacker dpartment. I would've went QB or WR myself.. but I can live with it.

[Bluesteel]

I just wonder why many even consider themselves Steelers fans or want to be. Not calling anyone out or pointing fingers, just wonder why some don't choose a different team

Because one doesn't agree with the Steeler's draft pick doesn't make them a non-fan.

I don't like the pick for the very fact that I do love the Steelers. I don't think this helps them. I think Jones is a one dimensional, edge rusher that is going to get trampled in the run game and is a liability in coverage, especially against a big, fast TE like say.... I don't know... EIFERT!!!! The better player for our team!

Not to mention, apparently the Steelers have conceded Wolids was a wasted 2nd round pick just a few years ago! If Jones is a bust, that's a 1st and 2nd rounder wasted on a position that has traditionally been filled affectively later in the draft. So disappointed and as previously stated hate how he was so sure about not getting past the Steelers.

On a final note.... he's made it clear he's not big on hitting the weight room... that will match up well with the other OLB that forgot where that room is, ever since he got his big paycheck!

Bungles and Ravens leaving Pitt and Cleveland to scrap it out for 3rd!

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Sarcasm? How is Timmons a miss. The dude is a really good player.

He was drafted to play OLB. He can't play OLB in he 3-4. It took him 3 years just to become a decent starter at ILB. He is still not a fit or the 3-4 really. I believe Tomlin just duplicated that miscalculation with Jones.

Will you be happy if Jones can't start by the end of year 1? I won't. A 17th overall pick should be an immediate starter or at least an immediate contributor as an impact player.

Therefore, I'm hoping that once again he lucks out with a starting OLB in rd 2 and Jones can play ILB.

[CorpusDsteelers]

Lets hope Allen falls to us

[xc944]

Sarcasm? How is Timmons a miss. The dude is a really good player.

There are many ilbs that play as well or better and for where he was picked and what he is paid he's not very good

[CorpusDsteelers]

Of the Stanford TE I'd take him

[Confluence]

He was drafted to play OLB. He can't play OLB in he 3-4. It took him 3 years just to become a decent starter at ILB. He is still not a fit or the 3-4 really. I believe Tomlin just duplicated that miscalculation with Jones.

Will you be happy if Jones can't start by the end of year 1? I won't. A 17th overall pick should be an immediate starter or at least an immediate contributor as an impact player.

Therefore, I'm hoping that once again he lucks out with a starting OLB in rd 2 and Jones can play ILB.

Maybe the Steeler's 3-4 is morphing into 3 DEs and 4 OLBs.

[BermudaSteel]

He was drafted to play OLB. He can't play OLB in he 3-4. It took him 3 years just to become a decent starter at ILB. He is still not a fit or the 3-4 really. I believe Tomlin just duplicated that miscalculation with Jones.

Will you be happy if Jones can't start by the end of year 1? I won't. A 17th overall pick should be an immediate starter or at least an immediate contributor as an impact player.

Therefore, I'm hoping that once again he lucks out with a starting OLB in rd 2 and Jones can play ILB.Name one of our defensive picks that has been an immediate contributor under the Coach LeBeau scheme???

[adolf goodell]

I'm hoping Tomlin gets lucky in Rd 2 with a real OLB like he did with Woodley after he missed with Timmons.

IMO Timmons is better than Woodley

[JJ77]

Timmons is our best LB but he is awful at the position we picked him to play, OLB.

Just realized who Jones reminds me of in his build and movements, Bruce Davis, who also "dominated" in college in a major conference.

[Male Sack]

So by the time JJ learns the complicated dick lebaeu defense he'll be 27. And by the time he starts he'll be 30, which is too late cause he has stenosis.

[MacKinnonK]

I don't understand all of the hate. Jones' motor is unreal. If he can commit to working out and building strength he'll be a beast.

His spinal stinosis is apparently not that bad and I can't see the Steelers rolling the dice on him if they felt it was an issue.

[Male Sack]

IMO Timmons is better than Woodley

Mine too !

[Male Sack]

Show me highlights of JJ beating a quality tackle on a pass rush.

[schillah]

So by the time JJ learns the complicated dick lebaeu defense he'll be 27. And by the time he starts he'll be 30, which is too late cause he has stenosis.

Jones is seeing the field this year, guaranteed

[nooneuno]

Wahhhhhhh they didn't pick the guy I wanted waaaaahhhhh waaaaahhhhhh

Same shit every year lol

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Name one of our defensive picks that has been an immediate contributor under the Coach LeBeau scheme???

I made a point to say 17th overall pick. Don't you expect more from high picks than later round picks? Call me crazy but i think 1st rounder should be NFL ready.

Let's look at the Steelers 1st round defensive players going back to Cowher with pick number in RD 1

23 Deon Figures - played immediately. Was a decent starter, never great. Steelers did not reward him with a huge contract
24 Chad Scott - see above
19 Casey Hampton - played immediately - pro bowler
16 Troy Polamalu - was a role player as rookie, had 2 sacks and 4 pass defensed, learning the most complicated position in Lebeau's defense. Pro Bowler ever since
15 Lawrence Timmons - unable top play position he was drafted for. Switched to ILB where it too about 3 years before he was good enough to start. Rewarded with huge second contract. Few impact plays.
32 Ziggy Hood - underachiever. Mediocre to subpar starter thus far
31 Cam Heyward - has shown promise when he gets to play. Steelers seem to not want to give up on Ziggy yet.

So to answer your question of which 1st rounders have been immediate contributors. Only the good ones.

I don't expect Jones to start day 1, although as a 17th overall pick, he should not be that far from starting. He should be able to immediately contribute as a situational pass rusher and if he's not starting by next season, it's a problem.

You should be getting an impact player at 17. That is why i'm critical of Timmons but not as critical of Worilds. I didn't like the Worilds pick either but it was round 2 and he's been OK for a 2nd rounder.


Let me set this straight now. Just because i hated the Timmons pick and still think he is overpaid, that doesn't mean i root against him. When Timmons is running towards the QB and a RB steps up in his face, i'm not thinking i hope the RB blows him up so i can talk shit about him on the internet. I'm hoping Timmons makes the play. UNfortunately, he doesn't make the impact play as often as a guy of his talent and paycheck should. That is why i criticize him.

I hope Jones is awesome. It would solve a bunch of problems. However, i think he's too weak against the run and will struggle in pass coverage. Therefore, i think he was a reach at 17. Should i just blindly agree with every pick the steelers make?

[skialta]

Wahhhhhhh they didn't pick the guy I wanted waaaaahhhhh waaaaahhhhhh

Same shit every year lol

yeah, you're right. why the fuck would anyone DARE to question the idiocy that we watched tonight? obviously if we are pissed about a pick...we're fair weather fans.
now...gather round.
let's all sing kumbaya and here we go steelers...here we go.
the fucking NERVE of us to not smile and congratulate mikey T. the absolute lack of hesitation when he made the pick as other teams were trying to trade up...was commendable.
here we go steelers.
here we go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA

[SteelerinMD]

Who was trying to trade up with the Steelers and what were they offering? Never heard that, please share

[crimsonsteel]

Show me highlights of JJ beating a quality tackle on a pass rush.


Pains me to say as a Bama fan, he beat D.J. Fluker and forced the first turnover of the SEC Championship game.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

IMO Timmons is better than Woodley

Timmons is better than the fat guy who was wearing Woodley's jersey last year, but not the guy who played in the years before that.

[fedderone]

I love this team, sincerely.
I stick with them through the good and bad, regardless.
You don't have to love/hate all their picks - to each their own.
Having said that...................

We get Jarvis Stenosis and the Bengals get Eifert.
Corky gets to throw to AJ Green, Jermaine Gresham, Alfred Sanu, and Tyler Eifert.
That is one sobering thought.
A raise a glass for round two and beyond and hope that JJ proves me wrong.

[nooneuno]

Well they obviously wanted Jones, that is proven by the fact they didn't mess around with the pick.

They're the ones who have to live by the decision, it is their job on the line at the end of the day, not yours. Personally, there were at least four guys left on the board I would of drafted above Jones but I'm not going to cry about it and call for people who do this as a living to be fired over a guy who hasn't even had the opportunity to prove his worth yet. Jarvis Jones could selected about where everyone expected him to be drafted. It is not like he was a projected 3rd round Center who got taken at pick 30.

[skialta]

Who was trying to trade up with the Steelers and what were they offering? Never heard that, please share

how would we ever know? we made the pick immediately. coincidentally...the niners traded up to the spot IMMEDIATELY after us.
i'd highly doubt that we couldn't have gotten that exact same trade.
sorry.

[SteelerinMD]

exactly, it's an unknown. May not have even been offered. Based on the coverage it was hard to know when the picks were or were not in.

[skialta]

exactly, it's an unknown. May not have even been offered. Based on the coverage it was hard to know when the picks were or were not in.

come on dude...
we go to commercial. and the fucking pick is already in. 20 seconds later...the niners make the trade with the cowboys. you don't want to think we could have got the same trade...that's fine. i for one, would bet that we could have

[nooneuno]

come on dude...
we go to commercial. and the fucking pick is already in. 20 seconds later...the niners make the trade with the cowboys. you don't want to think we could have got the same trade...that's fine. i for one, would bet that we could have

What is so hard for you to understand, Jones was the guy they wanted so they took him, he was the value pick for them obviously.

[skialta]

What is so hard for you to understand, Jones was the guy they wanted so they took him, he was the value pick for them obviously.


since you asked me...i'll tell you. i feel like they could have moved down, picked up an additional pick...and gotten that man they wanted.
any other questions?

[nooneuno]

since you asked me...i'll tell you. i feel like they could have moved down, picked up an additional pick...and gotten that man they wanted.
any other questions?Yeah what crystal ball did you use?

You trade down, you take a risk the player you want isn't there, guess unlike you they didn't think it was worth the risk.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

how would we ever know? we made the pick immediately. coincidentally...the niners traded up to the spot IMMEDIATELY after us.
i'd highly doubt that we couldn't have gotten that exact same trade.
sorry.

That's what i was thinking. The 49ers traded up to get a Safety. The Cowboys need a safety. I'd be shocked if the 49ers wouldn't have wanted to get in front of the Cowboys.

Falcons were looking to trade also.

The Chiefs took all their time at pick 1 when they knew for weeks who they were taking. Maybe the Steelers will have a chance to fleece some dumb team like the Pats fleeced the Vikes this year if they take their time and field offers instead of running up their pick.

And doesn't it bother anybody that the Steelers have been an open book under Tomlin with respect to who they want? What if some other team wanted Jones? They would know they had to jump in front of the steelers. When you are that transparent it can lead to you losing that player.

Of course, that assumes the team in front of the Steelers answers their phone and doesn't run up their pick as soon as they can.

[skialta]

Yeah what crystal ball did you use?

You trade down, you take a risk the player you want isn't there, guess unlike you they didn't think it was worth the risk.

common sense

[Wingman]

Jones is seeing the field this year, guaranteed He will likely have a good view of it from the bench. I do not think he was a wise choice at 17 either, The guy will be special teams and a few sub packages. He may be moved inside next to Timmons. Since we keep Larry to call the defense timmons is not up to it yet we may have to hopeone of the safetys can step up and do it.We could have had the TE Eifert or the next best offensive linemen. Those positions usually pan out although their are exceptions. I hope I am wrong about this guy but we may have a chance to pick higher next year if this trend continues. Now we need running back and wide out and likely another linebacker and some offensive linemen.
But you know if this keeps up none of this years picks may see the field other than the sidelines.

[Steel G]

Who needs Eifert when you've got the mighty Matt Spaeth!! The nightmare of an offseason continues.

[Chicoman]

Show me highlights of JJ beating a quality tackle on a pass rush.

Your crazy! Jones had 14 sacks this season He plays in the SEC against some of the best tackles in college football. The kid all season fought through double teams against a tackle & TE or a tackle and RB. The kid is the real deal! Give the guy a chance before you just completely tear him up!

He's one of us now! I like the pick and Jones will create problems for opposing teams for a long time to come. He's no fly by knight pass rusher ala Bruce Davis.

We got one of the best athletes in the NFL draft! Embrace him! Let's hope he can produce at an NFL level like he did in college and you'll be glad they drafted him.

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I Don't think jones was a bad pick.. I just think he wasn't needed as much as other areas. We have holes to fill,, and I thought Jason Worilds was able to fill the ROLB hole.

It could be worse we could be the cowboys taking a shitty center that was slated for the 3rd round,, oh and they didn't NEED him.

[Chicoman]

I Don't think jones was a bad pick.. I just think he wasn't needed as much as other areas. We have holes to fill,, and I thought Jason Worilds was able to fill the ROLB hole.

It could be worse we could be the cowboys taking a shitty center that was slated for the 3rd round,, oh and they didn't NEED him.

Worilds isn't in the same league as Jones. It's not even close man! You watch this season all the nay-sayers will realize the Steelers hit a home run with Jarvis Jones. He will have 10 sacks this season!

[SteelerSask]

My two cents is this. I don't know enough about the quality of the player. However, it is pretty shaky taking a guy who was not medically cleared by a major program and advised to quit football. If this guy craps out and has a two or three year career and Eifert torments us for the next 7 its going to look mighty bad. See you later Mike and Kevin bad.

[SteelerinMD]

Name one of our defensive picks that has been an immediate contributor under the Coach LeBeau scheme???

A, Kendrell Bell comes to mind. Can the guy at least play in a mini camp or training camp before we crown him Bruce Davis?

[crimsonsteel]

I wonder if the underlying meaning to this pick is that the coaches are losing faith in Woodley? Hmmmm...

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Worilds isn't in the same league as Jones. It's not even close man! You watch this season all the nay-sayers will realize the Steelers hit a home run with Jarvis Jones. He will have 10 sacks this season!

I don't think anybody doubts he can get some sacks. The concern is him getting steamrolled against the run and being unable to drop into coverage. If he can't do those things then he's severely limited.

The Ravens, Bengals and Browns all have power run games.

I think Jones will have some impact but 17 would be a steep price if he turns out to just be a pass rush specialist. Could have gotten a guy later to fill that role.

[SteelerSask]

The problem in the post Cowher era have been these risky type picks. The ones that left your head shaking. You can't really bitch about the Mendenhall pick. That pick was roundly hailed as a brilliant one. He just crapped out. That could and does happen all the time. Its the moves like this and Ziggy Hood and Timmons when there was way safer talent still on the board. I just cannot believe with the debacle of losing Spence last year and Decastro for most of the season that they would go with a guy with this type of medical issue. This would be a good put you over the top move if you had a lot of pieces in place, but if he craps out you are just adding to a really bad situation.

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

how would we ever know? we made the pick immediately. coincidentally...the niners traded up to the spot IMMEDIATELY after us.
i'd highly doubt that we couldn't have gotten that exact same trade.
sorry.

Exactly, the Steelers telegraphed who they were taking. The 49ers knew they could blow us off...

Why do they call it a war room if everyone knows who you are taking.

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Exactly, the Steelers telegraphed who they were taking. The 49ers knew they could blow us off...

Why do they call it a war room if everyone knows who you are taking.

Yeah I totally agree. Jones saying he wouldn't get past the steelers didn't help. But yeah loose lips sinks picks.

[mightyguru]

I hope JJ delivers...and soon.

[Bill s55]

New Rooney rule......pick a guy who may be eligible for the handicap space in two years. Ya know...just to be fair.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

came across this video while looking at Jarvis Jones highlights.


http://youtu.be/uUxf_xHR1LY

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Want to know why i'm concerned about Jarvis Jones. Here's why. It's his game vs Alabama. First, notice how small he looks. Jones looks like a safety. Second, note how as the game progresses, Bama isn't even blocking Jones with an OT. They block him with TEs. Sometimes a single TE.

Jones does cause a fumble but that was only because Lacy turned his back on him for some reason. Jones has a motor and he's athletic but how can he be more than a situational pass rusher if you can just chip him with a TE or even single block him with a TE

Can you imagine a team gameplanning to single block James Harrison or Greg Lloyd with a TE?

Watch the video and then tell me if you still think those who question the pick are crybabies or bad fans, or do we maybe have a legitimate point.


http://youtu.be/nqczNIJJ2O4

[CorpusDsteelers]

how would we ever know? we made the pick immediately. coincidentally...the niners traded up to the spot IMMEDIATELY after us.
i'd highly doubt that we couldn't have gotten that exact same trade.
sorry.

So you would drop down 14 spots for a low 3rd rounder like Dallas ?

[tjack]

Let me be the first to say that I DO NOT LIKE THIS PICK. My opinion about Kevin Colbert and Coach Tomlin, right now, is not very good.

I will also say that I hope that it does work out and we've found a "diamond in the rough"; I can only see a coal mine right now...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTifdoKXoxM

I thought for sure the Falcons were going to make that move and get in front of the Steelers and take Jones.

I would try to look for that video clip of Princess Lela telling Han Solo in the Empire Strikes Back movie... "I sure hope you know what you're doing, Han" in reference to the Steelers Front office tonight.

[steelbush]

I have mixed reviews on the Jones pick. He was rated by many of the experts as a top LB, I'm pretty sure most those guys know more than we do. I know a lot of people were screaming for Eifert but I don't like the idea of taking a TE in round 1. My feeling is this, I know some will disagree, TE's don't usually dominate games like a defensive player can. If you look back at Harrison, Polamalu, hell even Woodley, there were times when they took over games and dominated. Can a TE really dominate...not unless the QB is getting him the ball. JJ's size does concern me, I love his speed and he seems to throw his body around and wreak havoc. Time will tell I guess. For the Steelers sake I hope JJ is the next Kendrell Bell (only healthier). I personally really wanted Star Loutelei (sp?).

[CorpusDsteelers]

More like Kirkland with the same speed only a lot smaller!

[diver5]

Want to know why i'm concerned about Jarvis Jones. Here's why. It's his game vs Alabama. First, notice how small he looks. Jones looks like a safety. Second, note how as the game progresses, Bama isn't even blocking Jones with an OT. They block him with TEs. Sometimes a single TE.

Jones does cause a fumble but that was only because Lacy turned his back on him for some reason. Jones has a motor and he's athletic but how can he be more than a situational pass rusher if you can just chip him with a TE or even single block him with a TE

Can you imagine a team gameplanning to single block James Harrison or Greg Lloyd with a TE?

Watch the video and then tell me if you still think those who question the pick are crybabies or bad fans, or do we maybe have a legitimate point.


http://youtu.be/nqczNIJJ2O4

Being that Greg Lloyd was a 6th round pick and James Harrison a free agent, I am pretty sure when they came out nobody was overly concerned with how to block them. You cannot compare Jarvis Jones to the finished products that are Greg Lloyd and James Harrison. That's just stupid. Both of them worked hard and developed their games. Jones can't do the same? He is a finished product already?

[STEELERS R GR8]

I didn't like the pick but I guess there is nothing left to do but hope for the best. We need help all over and I wanted Trufant I feel in this nfl you need cover guys. I guess the steelers thinking is if you get pass rush you don't need cover guys, it worked in the past for them. As for all this talk on Timmons, he has had a lot of hate on here and I think/feel he has come a long way. I think he is good against the run and good in coverage. I am happy with the way he has improved every year, is he the best ilb no but he has done some very good things, jmo!

[fc fury]

I am 50/50 on this pick, if he plays 50% of the snaps then I am fine with it, but if he doesn't play because he is "learning" the defense then this is a horrible pick. We don't have the luxury of sitting players with the talent that we have lost this year.

[dobre shunka]

Your crazy! Jones had 14 sacks this season He plays in the SEC against some of the best tackles in college football. The kid all season fought through double teams against a tackle & TE or a tackle and RB. The kid is the real deal! Give the guy a chance before you just completely tear him up!

He's one of us now! I like the pick and Jones will create problems for opposing teams for a long time to come. He's no fly by knight pass rusher ala Bruce Davis.

We got one of the best athletes in the NFL draft! Embrace him! Let's hope he can produce at an NFL level like he did in college and you'll be glad they drafted him.

Yes, but did he beat anyone of the caliber of Jason Capizzi?

[SteelerFan448]

After looking at comments, the only people who don't love this pick are the fans. Seemed like most draft experts thought this was a terrific fit for the Steelers.

[Smooth Criminal]

The battle lines have been drawn. For the rest of his career the people in this thread that like the pick will defend him and the ones that don't will attack him.

If he's sensitive he can ask Timmons how that feels.

[antdrewjosh]

Wahhhhhhh they didn't pick the guy I wanted waaaaahhhhh waaaaahhhhhh

Same shit every year lol

My nomination for best post of the month.

[GRBman]

That film of the SEC Championship is the reason I wanted Lacey...and maybe he's still there when the Steelers pick tonight. 42 wasn't exactly running through wide-open spaces, that was tough sledding against a Georgia defense loaded with NFL talent.

[LeXX75]

As long as McLendon, doen't give up #90 to him I am willing to see how he can help us...

[skialta]

So you would drop down 14 spots for a low 3rd rounder like Dallas ?


Yeah. That's WTF I would do

[skialta]

After looking at comments, the only people who don't love this pick are the fans. Seemed like most draft experts thought this was a terrific fit for the Steelers.

Just like they think we killed it every year.



And then the season starts

[schillah]

He will likely have a good view of it from the bench. I do not think he was a wise choice at 17 either, The guy will be special teams and a few sub packages. He may be moved inside next to Timmons. Since we keep Larry to call the defense timmons is not up to it yet we may have to hopeone of the safetys can step up and do it.We could have had the TE Eifert or the next best offensive linemen. Those positions usually pan out although their are exceptions. I hope I am wrong about this guy but we may have a chance to pick higher next year if this trend continues. Now we need running back and wide out and likely another linebacker and some offensive linemen.
But you know if this keeps up none of this years picks may see the field other than the sidelines.

Why does everyone keep saying TE?? We are not New England. When Miller comes back, do you really see the steelers passing out of a two TE system? or passing out of 3 wide? The steelers are gonna draft a WR. They would like to see that wr on the field. Hell im pretty sure our fb see's the field more than our 2nd TE

[GRBman]

Why does everyone keep saying TE?? We are not New England. When Miller comes back, do you really see the steelers passing out of a two TE system? or passing out of 3 wide? The steelers are gonna draft a WR. They would like to see that wr on the field. Hell im pretty sure our fb see's the field more than our 2nd TE

...and maybe it is time to re-think how "we" do things in Pittsburgh. Having a 2nd TE who can be split out and create matchup problems (like Hernandez) is a wonderful thing! As arrogant as Haley is, he's not stupid...Give Ben the option to throw to a Heath Miller AND Zach Ertz/Jordan Reed...and you have a very happy Ben

[skialta]

Why does everyone keep saying TE?? We are not New England. When Miller comes back, do you really see the steelers passing out of a two TE system? or passing out of 3 wide? The steelers are gonna draft a WR. They would like to see that wr on the field. Hell im pretty sure our fb see's the field more than our 2nd TE
Maybe if we didn't have shit ass 2nd tight ends, that would change. Try actually putting a nfl caliber player in that spot... And talk to me then

[tube city steel]

I like the Jones pick - I wonder how much input LeBeau had

[Ron Burgundy]

Good interview with Jones in The Newspaper That Shall Not Be Named this morning. He's been working out with the same trainer as Ike Taylor is in FL and says he's learned some Steeler history from Ike. Hopefully that gives him a leg up on the defense when he gets here.

[skialta]

Yeah. He will be a more complete kick coverage player.
Super

[insaniti]

Maybe if we didn't have shit ass 2nd tight ends, that would change. Try actually putting a nfl caliber player in that spot... And talk to me then

I don't agree with ski very often, but this...

I didn't mind the Spaeth pick up because we have no depth at all behind Miller. But with Miller out, as of right now, our starting TE's are Spaeth and Paulson... Eifert would have been a great pick.

[steelville]

I'm not thrilled with the pick. What it will take for me to change my mind is JJ putting Flacco on his back several times next season...

[gmc]

I'm already on record as hating the pick. I just felt there was too much value on the board to grab what appears to be a situational player with a questional medical condition. That being said he's wearing black and gold now and I would love to eat my words. Here's too hoping we can get Allen, Bell, Ertz or Lattimore; the offense needs at least 1 playmaker.

[deljzc]

Jones was definitely on my radar early in the draft process.

I liked his tape.

But then his workout numbers came out and I was both surprised and disappointed. It's one thing to be 260 lbs like Suggs and run a 4.80 and another to be 245 lbs. and run a 4.90. Suggs has always been a power player too and while Jones plays tough, he's not nearly as strong on tape as Suggs. Different animals and I think Jones' poor time is a problem.

Also on his workout we have the dreaded less than 60 KEI, which is another red flag.

Then in the past couple of weeks, I was filling out birth dates on all the prospects and I realize even though he is an early entry prospect to the draft, he is old. He will be turning 24 years old this October. I don't think Jones has much room to change his physique much. What you see athletically is what you are getting in my opinion.

Jones was moving down my draft board and by April, he was not my favorite choice for us to pick.

I'll go on record now and say I'd have picked Xavier Rhodes. Other than the falling Shariff Floyd, that was my highest rated player left (although to be fair he was in the same "tier" as Eifert, Patterson and Jones).

We'll see how it works out. I just don't see the attributes that will make Jones a 13-16 sack guy for us at ROLB and I would expect a dominant player with the #17 pick overall.

[TDX27]

I would have liked Eifert but Jones is a good pick. He was originally a top 5 or, at worst, top 10 pick. He slid to us and the Steelers seem very happy about getting him. So, I'll take it.

[ark steel]

It absolutely does. He's extremely weak and horrible at shedding blocks. He gets stoned flat in his tracks by r s when blitzing and is the most over rated guy in the league in coverage

With all of that, last year, he was tied for the team lead in sacks, second on the team in tackles, lead the team in ints, tied for team lead in tackles for a loss and lead the team in quarterback hurries (or at least, I assume that is what QH means).

Starting LB for the #1 NFL defense and leads/ties the team in many stats. Definitely a bust who can't do anything.

[TMC]

Your crazy! Jones had 14 sacks this season He plays in the SEC against some of the best tackles in college football. The kid all season fought through double teams against a tackle & TE or a tackle and RB. The kid is the real deal! Give the guy a chance before you just completely tear him up!

I like SEC players. I think that any team that plays tough teams should have better quality players, but once you get in the film, look who they are beating, you have to kind of take off the "elite competition" glasses. When Georgia played Alabama, Jones made his impact on the left side of the defense. When they flipped him on the right side and he faced Kouandjio, he was handled pretty easily. I also watched the South Carolina game last night and they do not have an NFL caliber LT, he still handled Jones in pass pro pretty well. He had one sack against South Carolina and I would not piss on the LT for them. Dallas Thomas of Tennessee blanked him and he is moving to guard because he lacks quicks. He had 3 sacks against Xavier Nixon. Nixon won't start in the NFL. He had 2 against Auburn. Again, their LT won't start in the NFL. Two more against Nebraska. Guess what, their LT may not even make it to the NFL. Two against Missouri. Their LT won't play in the NFL. He beat ONE NFL caliber OT in 2012 and that was Fluker, a RT that struggles with speed. In the 2011-2012 season, he had 4 sacks against Florida. He should send Xavier Nixon a fruit basket or something. Seven of his ~24 sacks came against Nixon. He had 2.5 against Kentucky. Two more against Auburn. Two against Miss State. Two seasons, one NFL caliber tackle faced.

Real deal? We will see. If I had to compare him to someone, I think he compares to Courtney Upshaw pretty well. He tends to work off blocks well enough in the run game. He can get to the QB, but his pass rush is unrefined. Does not possess great athletic attributes. He plays with good instincts though, so maybe. He will need some time. Those that think he will walk in and be an instant hit are fooling themselves.


He's one of us now! I like the pick and Jones will create problems for opposing teams for a long time to come. He's no fly by knight pass rusher ala Bruce Davis.

Maybe. Davis was a speed guy with piss poor workout numbers. Jones is not a speed guy. Both had poor workout numbers. Both had huge sack totals. If I had to pin a difference, Jones is a worker, Davis was not. That could be the difference. On the hoof, they are more alike than they are different. Jones has more drive. Better motor. More determined. Better instincts. We will see if that makes the difference. We rolled the dice, odds are on the house that Jones simply becomes an average player.


We got one of the best athletes in the NFL draft! Embrace him! Let's hope he can produce at an NFL level like he did in college and you'll be glad they drafted him.

Actually, we did not. Not even close. He tests near the bottom of all linebackers in almost every category. So, you can drop the rah-rah shit. He was not one of the best athletes at his position, much less one of the best in the NFL draft. If he produces at the NFL level like he did in college, we will be glad they drafted him. If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

[LeXX75]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLOEvYULfY

[USDA#1]

maybe they drafted Jones to replace whatever they had in mind for Spence, and not to replace Worilds?


I dunno.

[CharlesDavenport]

I don't understand all of the hate. Jones' motor is unreal. If he can commit to working out and building strength he'll be a beast.

His spinal stinosis is apparently not that bad and I can't see the Steelers rolling the dice on him if they felt it was an issue.

A first round LB pick who has to commit to building strength, runs a 4.9, has spinal stenosis, and you don't understand the hate?

[ark steel]

He's been working out with the same trainer as Ike Taylor is in FL

So did Wallace...

[Steelers1356]

Wasn't thrilled about the idea of picking Jones at 17 especially over Eifert but I'll give him a chance. Looks like Colbert sees something special in him. His weight could be an issue but he's bigger than Harrison and has beefed up in offseason training. Also heard a bad hamstring may have slowed down his 40 time?

[mdk02]

Anyone who wanted Eifert over Jones is a idiot... 1. We don't use TEs enough to draft another one in the first round to go along side Heath 2. He is not a very good blocker for our run game. 3. We have bigger needs than a TE.

[NC STEEL]

I wanted Eifert. That being said Jones put up great #'s against elite competition. As far as which tackles he beat for how many sacks I can't comment. I don't watch college football. But, no other college rusher went against NFL ready tackles every week and beat them. If they did then that tackle would not be NFL ready. I just project TE as a greater need with the combo of Millers injury and age. The other side of this coin is what does it say about the long term prospects of Worilds. Actually, I would have preferred a CB above Jones also. Hope Colbert makes me eat crow.

[mdk02]

I wanted Eifert. That being said Jones put up great #'s against elite competition. As far as which tackles he beat for how many sacks I can't comment. I don't watch college football. But, no other college rusher went against NFL ready tackles every week and beat them. If they did then that tackle would not be NFL ready. I just project TE as a greater need with the combo of Millers injury and age. The other side of this coin is what does it say about the long term prospects of Worilds. Actually, I would have preferred a CB above Jones also. Hope Colbert makes me eat crow.

We will be getting Sims from Mich St in a later round, that will be your TE pick.

[bobki100]

Because they don't agree with you ,they should change team?

[Superman]

Want to know why i'm concerned about Jarvis Jones. Here's why. It's his game vs Alabama. First, notice how small he looks. Jones looks like a safety. Second, note how as the game progresses, Bama isn't even blocking Jones with an OT. They block him with TEs. Sometimes a single TE.

Jones does cause a fumble but that was only because Lacy turned his back on him for some reason. Jones has a motor and he's athletic but how can he be more than a situational pass rusher if you can just chip him with a TE or even single block him with a TE

Can you imagine a team gameplanning to single block James Harrison or Greg Lloyd with a TE?

Watch the video and then tell me if you still think those who question the pick are crybabies or bad fans, or do we maybe have a legitimate point.


http://youtu.be/nqczNIJJ2O4

good god. really?
look at the turnover he created. That was done by beating the RT (Fluker) and the RB (Lacy).

In some of the other plays, he was playing containment. Granted, he got beat a few times in that game, but I'm fairly certain that Bama beat a lot of players over the last few years.

As for him being blocked by the TE, as you want to hang your hat on, ff to the 8:40 mark. He's blocked by the TE on a running play directly at him. He sheds the block and drops Lacy. This is in the 3rd quarter, after he's gotten his nails done and put on his skirt.

I couldn't give a shit less if he looks like Shirely fucking Temple out there as long as he plays like he's got a cattle prod stuck up his ass.

[Vader]

I've seen Jones play in many games since I'm now living in Bama. He is an edge rusher with NO pass rushing moves AT ALL. If he can't get around your shoulder then he can't beat you. I do like his motor and his attitude. I really don't understand that thinking behind the pick. As someone mentioned early, that he maybe taking the Spence role but do you really draft a player at 17 overall for a situational pass rusher??? I'm willing to give him a chance but I just don't get it...

[SteelerSask]

My nomination for best post of the month.
Mine is the one and I can't find it quick where it said Jones was bigger than Harrison. Wow, I'm looking at this kid and if you think he is bigger than Harrison you are high. More weight overall perhaps. But take height out of the equation, not even in the same area code. Football is leverage and no one had more leverage than Harrison. This kid looks like a big safety in his pads.

[Superman]

I've seen Jones play in many games since I'm now living in Bama. He is an edge rusher with NO pass rushing moves AT ALL. If he can't get around your shoulder then he can't beat you. I do like his motor and his attitude. I really don't understand that thinking behind the pick. As someone mentioned early, that he maybe taking the Spence role but do you really draft a player at 17 overall for a situational pass rusher??? I'm willing to give him a chance but I just don't get it...

I'm not sold on the pick either, but for fuck's sake, some fuckers are acting as if Jones is a drooling retard who eats crayons and paint chips.

[ark steel]

I'm not sold on the pick either, but for fuck's sake, some fuckers are acting as if Jones is a drooling retard who eats crayons and paint chips.

Like this guy I know when he sees an algebra problem.

[JJ77]

The SEC is the best conference in college football but to people pointing out that since Jones led the conference in sacks despite all his lack of physical talent here are the SEC sack leaders for the last few years, didn't translate into the NFL well at all.

SEC sack leaders : '05-Willie Evans '06-J. Anderson '07-Marcus Howard '08-C. Dunlap '09-Antonio Coleman '10-N. Fairley, '11/12-Jarvis Jones

Production is nice, but in the end doesn't mean a whole lot in the NFL if you don't have the physical skills and a 4.92 40 and a KEI of under 60 shows that Jones was a product of a system feasting on non NFL caliber tackles.

[ZonaBurgh]

No hate on JJ, I hope it works out for him. Good character and work ethic may rub off in the locker room.
And if he can create a few turnovers maybe it will translate to more points on the board for the Steelers.
Otherwise can they really win many games if they only score an average of 12 per game?
Hoping for some offensive help tonight.

[Vader]

I'm not sold on the pick either, but for fuck's sake, some fuckers are acting as if Jones is a drooling retard who eats crayons and paint chips.

I would have less a problem with the pick if he didn't have the health problems and I could see a plan from the team. This pick screams of desperation and lack of trust in Worilds (another high draft pick). I just don't understand it. But like I said, I like the guy's motor and his attitude and maybe that can work.

[oneforthebus]

He led the nation in sacks, forced fumbles and tackles for a loss. I am sure the Steelers' investigated the medical issue thoroughly...they wouldn't be so stupid as to ignore it, nobody would. I'm not sure I agree that OLB is our greatest need, on the other hand I spent much of last year screaming "Get to the goddamned quarterback!" so I don't dislike the pick.

[Badcat]

I love the posts pointing out how "small" he looks and how he has no pass rush moves and how he doesn't hit the weight room and blah blah blah. We're talking about a raw player with a high motor, a mean streak, who is about to join the NFL's best defense, coached by a legend, and shrouded by the weight of 80 years of legacy. Is there a risk with his spinal diagnosis? Absolutely. I get that point. But you fools seem to feel that this kid is supposed to be a polished beast who steps into the most complex defense in the NFL and shred teams like James Harrison or Greg Lloyd. Unreal.

[Ron Burgundy]

He led the nation in sacks, forced fumbles and tackles for a loss. I am sure the Steelers' investigated the medical issue thoroughly...they wouldn't be so stupid as to ignore it, nobody would.
A few years ago they drafted a QB-turned-WR, also from Georgia, who could not injure the ACL in one knee because it was missing. It worked out pretty well for them anyway. Hines somebody.

[Vader]

I love the posts pointing out how "small" he looks and how he has no pass rush moves and how he doesn't hit the weight room and blah blah blah. We're talking about a raw player with a high motor, a mean streak, who is about to join the NFL's best defense, coached by a legend, and shrouded by the weight of 80 years of legacy. Is there a risk with his spinal diagnosis? Absolutely. I get that point. But you fools seem to feel that this kid is supposed to be a polished beast who steps into the most complex defense in the NFL and shred teams like James Harrison or Greg Lloyd. Unreal.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is do you take someone with all those issues and risk as the 17th overall pick? Ron talks about taking Ward with his medical issues but he wasn't taken until the 3rd round... not the 17th overall player in the NFL draft. There is a huge risk with this pick and I don't like taking those risks high in the draft.

[slashsteel]

Steelers doctors looked at Jones and cleared him.That is good enough for me.

Also ran across this in my reading...

".Jones has been working out with Steelers cornerback Ike Taylor under trainer Tom Shaw in Orlando, Fla.."

Already a step in the right direction. As Farrior and Ike have worked with Shaw to tweak their conditioning.

At this point we all know the concerns. I think the Nation at this point should move on and hope for the best.

One thing I am pretty sure of pass or fail it won't be from the lack of effort.

Jones welcome aboard we look forward to you making plays for us.

Here we go Steelers here we go !

[Litos]

Please someone tell me that JJ did the combine under a badass A-flu

[LeXX75]

I was pissed went all Mike Singletary at the TV when his name was called...but he is now a Steeler and I need to get on board with it...so go get them JJ and please do not turn into Huey 2..

[thesteelcity]

and on to more important matters, other than size, speed and production, what number will Jarvis wear???

:)

[LeXX75]

and on to more important matters, other than size, speed and production, what number will Jarvis wear???

:)

not 90 ....that would just be tooo much...

[gmc]

Vader:
That sums up my skepticism. I expect the 17th pick to come in and make an immediate impact; hopefully he does.

I would hope he would be more polished coming out than an UDFA and a 6th rd pick.

[Steelers1356]

Anyone who wanted Eifert over Jones is a idiot... 1. We don't use TEs enough to draft another one in the first round to go along side Heath

Seriously, did you watch last season were U on Mars?

[Superman]

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/jarvis-jones?id=2540137

<section> Overview

Despite earning many All-American honors as a high school star in Columbus, Ga., Jones initially took his game to Southern California to play for Trojans head coach Pete Carroll. Unfortunately, a neck injury suffered in his eighth game as a true freshman (13 tackles, 1.5 for loss) sidelined him for the rest of the year. Then Carroll left for the NFL after the season, and new coach Lane Kiffin and his staff weren't sure Jones should suit up for them again. Doctors at the University of Georgia felt differently about Jones' neck, clearing him to play and clearing the way for him to transfer back home -– much to the dismay of opposing offenses.


He redshirted the 2010 season in order to be fully healthy and prepared for SEC competition. That offseason work paid big dividends in his sophomore season, as he was named a finalist for the Butkus Award and garnered consensus All-American and first-team All-SEC honors. The team captain started all 14 games, racking up 70 tackles, 19.5 for loss (which led the SEC) and 13.5 sacks (led the SEC, tied for fifth in the country). His four sacks helped the team win its annual rivalry game with Florida and earned him many national defensive player of the week awards. Jones stayed productive in 2012 as a redshirt junior, leading the nation in three categories: sacks (14.5, school record), tackles for loss (24.5, school record) and forced fumbles (7). Add 85 tackles, 4 passes defended and an interception and Jones was one of the top defenders in the country and was a finalist for the Bednarik, Lombardi, Nagurski, Butkus and Lott awards.
</section> <section> Analysis

<article> Strengths

Versatile linebacker with a chance to play inside or outside. Possesses a very good first step to pressure tackles' upfield shoulder. Also has closing speed and short-area quickness to keep contain outside and crash down on inside runs. Strong tackler with excellent length and upper-body strength to wrap up ball carriers. Gets under the pads of tackles, keeps his feet churning to maintain leverage. Brings heavy hands, can rip off to get around the edge or cut inside to stop quarterbacks from stepping up in the pocket. Works through double-teams if the quarterback hangs onto the ball in the pocket. Holds his ground against pulling guards and fullbacks. Capable of locking up tight ends off the edge in coverage, also sorts out multiple routes in his direction to make a play on the correct one. Gets his hands up to affect passing lanes. </article> <article> Weaknesses

One-year starter. Inconsistent using his hands to disengage from better blocks and to beat cut blocks from running backs in pass protection. Lacks an ideal frame to get much bigger and doesn't have the growth potential or the bulk teams want at the position. Will need to prove he can stay with NFL ball carriers in space when dropping into the flat. Not particularly smooth in deep drops. Doesn't have elite bend around the corner, and could use a spin or other counter move to keep tackles guessing. Missed the last five games of the 2009 with a neck injury, part of his senior year in high school with a broken thumb. There is some concern about his long-term durability due to his spinal stenosis condition, the same ailment that has caused some players to call it quits, including Marcus McNeill, Chris Samuels and Michael Irvin. </article> <article> NFL Comparison

Bruce Irvin </article> <article> Bottom Line

The Peach State native suffered a neck injury his true freshman year at USC, but returned home when cleared by Georgia doctors; the consensus All-American impressed scouts in 2011 with his ability to rush the passer and he didn't let up in 2012, leading the nation in sacks, tackles for loss and forced fumbles. Jones also showed the versatility to play the run and get the job done in coverage. He enters the NFL with some questions with his struggles disengaging at the point of attack and limited length and growth potential, but the production speaks for itself and, as Bruce Irvin reminded us last April, pass rushers don't last long on draft day. Whether or not he would be able to fit in a 4-3 defense like Irvin would depend on how he is used, but he would fit best as a pass rush OLB in a 3-4 like in college. </article>

6'2", 245
</section>

[Zack_of_Steel]

Fuck this stupid ass pick.

Maybe Jarvis proves me wrong and Worilds disappoints this year as the starter. I doubt it, but maybe.

The only real possibility I see here is that they may end up converting him to LILB/SILB/Buck to replace Foote, much like how Timmons was drafted to replace Joey Porter in 2007, but Harrison blew everyone's minds and Timmons became a beast RILB/WILB/Mack. I'll hope for the latter scenario.

Surprise option C is that his spine breaks because he has a pussy spine and I rage.

[TDX27]

The review Supe posted isn't the greatest on him. My biggest concern with the review is that they feel he can't get any bigger. He is pretty small compared to any other edge rushers we use. If he can't add a good 10 lbs or so and maintain his current speed, that could be an issue.

[FAB802]

I like the Jones pick - I wonder how much input LeBeau had

If he turns out to be a good player, all of it. If he isn't starting by week one or in a Pro Bowl by year two, none, it was all on Tomlin. I did not particularly care for the pick by the way.

[deljzc]

I don't understand the term "raw" used for Jones. He should be the furthest thing from raw. He's almost 24, he's been playing in the best conference in college football, and he's been playing pretty much the same position his whole life.

You can say Ziggy Ansah is "raw". You can say Lane Johnson is "raw". You might even say Bjorn Werner is "raw" (even though his game is as complete as it gets). Those guys have legit reasons to be "raw".

Jarvis Jones is not "raw". If we don't see it pretty quick from him in preseason and situationally this year, we should all worry. He's not going to be a different shape or body type or faster in 2 years. He's just not.

[ark steel]

With draft picks it is pretty hard for me to declare him a bust before they even play. Normally, I don't even consider them busts if they are performing well, but get fucked by injury, never to return to their former selves. Nor would I declare, in that case, that the FO didn't do their homework. Shit happens. My concern with this pick is that there is a certain red flag for health and injury.

I guess he played in college with only one big injury so it may not be an issue. I can hope. If he does get injuries due to this issue, it will certainly, and should be, blamed on a fuck up by the FO. IMO too big a risk at 17.

I wanted Eifert. OMG A TE WHILE WE HAVE MILLER!! Well, we need to take pressure off of brown and we don't have miller to start this season or for very many more seasons. I was thinking of Eifert as just a different kind of. WR. Of course, I always hope we throw more to the TE every year. Eifert seemed perfect to take over for heath when the inevitable happens.

I will be cautiously optimistic about Jones, though.

[mightyguru]

Anyone who wanted Eifert over Jones is a idiot... 1. We don't use TEs enough to draft another one in the first round to go along side Heath 2. He is not a very good blocker for our run game. 3. We have bigger needs than a TE.

Get the fuck out of here. Miller was our biggest and most consistent weapon last season.

[Vader]

I don't understand the term "raw" used for Jones. He should be the furthest thing from raw. He's almost 24, he's been playing in the best conference in college football, and he's been playing pretty much the same position his whole life.

You can say Ziggy Ansah is "raw". You can say Lane Johnson is "raw". You might even say Bjorn Werner is "raw" (even though his game is as complete as it gets). Those guys have legit reasons to be "raw".

Jarvis Jones is not "raw". If we don't see it pretty quick from him in preseason and situationally this year, we should all worry. He's not going to be a different shape or body type or faster in 2 years. He's just not.

Listen to this: http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Colbert-and-Tomlin-on-Jarvis-Jones/3f3b470a-73c2-4411-bb04-e5eba16ef33d

TomBert thinks that he was 1 of the best 8 players in the draft. They were "happy" that he was slow at his pro day because they thought he would fall to them. Tomlin even says the evaluation was "easy". Colbert says his workouts were "off the chart impressive". They don't really care what he runs, he is a football player.

[Superman]

Debo probably wouldn't be an Olympic sprinter either.

[Superman]

With draft picks it is pretty hard for me to declare him a bust before they even play. Normally, I don't even consider them busts if they are performing well, but get fucked by injury, never to return to their former selves. Nor would I declare, in that case, that the FO didn't do their homework. Shit happens. My concern with this pick is that there is a certain red flag for health and injury.

I guess he played in college with only one big injury so it may not be an issue. I can hope. If he does get injuries due to this issue, it will certainly, and should be, blamed on a fuck up by the FO. IMO too big a risk at 17.

I wanted Eifert. OMG A TE WHILE WE HAVE MILLER!! Well, we need to take pressure off of brown and we don't have miller to start this season or for very many more seasons. I was thinking of Eifert as just a different kind of. WR. Of course, I always hope we throw more to the TE every year. Eifert seemed perfect to take over for heath when the inevitable happens.

I will be cautiously optimistic about Jones, though.

Timmons was a bust as soon as he exited the birth canal.

[Harrison Schultz]

I don't think the kid will be a bust. Ziggy is a bust and I called that POS from the moment we took him in the first round in the '09 draft.

The thing is, we obviously drafted for need in this one (unlike our typical strategy of BPA). Personally I would have rather we took Eifert with our #1, but we needed an OLB to fit our 3-4 and the fall-off between Eifert and the other two E TE's isn't all that significant.

I'm a little surprised we didn't trade down from 1.17 for a number of reasons--we all know the real value in this draft is in rounds 2-4 and I personally don't think as highly of JJ as a lot of pundits do--only time will tell of course.

[SteelerFan448]

They didn't trade down because Jones was at the top of their board. I would have said Floyd was the BAP and then Jones.

[hamster]

I'm going to wait and see on this guy.

Carry on the whinefest.

[SteelerinMD]

Because one doesn't agree with the Steeler's draft pick doesn't make them a non-fan.

I don't like the pick for the very fact that I do love the Steelers. I don't think this helps them. I think Jones is a one dimensional, edge rusher that is going to get trampled in the run game and is a liability in coverage, especially against a big, fast TE like say.... I don't know... EIFERT!!!! The better player for our team!

Not to mention, apparently the Steelers have conceded Wolids was a wasted 2nd round pick just a few years ago! If Jones is a bust, that's a 1st and 2nd rounder wasted on a position that has traditionally been filled affectively later in the draft. So disappointed and as previously stated hate how he was so sure about not getting past the Steelers.

On a final note.... he's made it clear he's not big on hitting the weight room... that will match up well with the other OLB that forgot where that room is, ever since he got his big paycheck!

Bungles and Ravens leaving Pitt and Cleveland to scrap it out for 3rd!


To be honest, you have not been here long enough to know what i am talking about. Read the board more often, there are quite a few folks that have nothing but bitching to say about this team, coaches and any move made. Not liking a pick is one thing, but to chastise the team and organization over every step is foolish. Fans don't do that, Fans critique, Fans don't bash relentlessly non stop on everything

[SteelerinMD]

Listen to this: http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Colbert-and-Tomlin-on-Jarvis-Jones/3f3b470a-73c2-4411-bb04-e5eba16ef33d

TomBert thinks that he was 1 of the best 8 players in the draft. They were "happy" that he was slow at his pro day because they thought he would fall to them. Tomlin even says the evaluation was "easy". Colbert says his workouts were "off the chart impressive". They don't really care what he runs, he is a football player.

That means nothing vader, when he worked out at my house he was slow and couldn't do all the reps the other players could. Don't know how is workout was great for them but not for me

[deljzc]

Listen to this: http://www.steelers.com/video-and-audio/videos/Colbert-and-Tomlin-on-Jarvis-Jones/3f3b470a-73c2-4411-bb04-e5eba16ef33d

TomBert thinks that he was 1 of the best 8 players in the draft. They were "happy" that he was slow at his pro day because they thought he would fall to them. Tomlin even says the evaluation was "easy". Colbert says his workouts were "off the chart impressive". They don't really care what he runs, he is a football player.

I'm not against the pick as much as some. In my first Steelers mock, I had them taking Jones. And I think this draft is deep at our other positions of need.... i.e., CB, WR, S. And I think there could be some late round sleeper RB's too.

I am on record liking Rhodes better, but Jones was in the same "tier" as him on my board so it's not a huge reach in my eyes.

I am worried about what everyone else is. His measurables and his back. But on the other side of the coin is his work ethic and production.

Look, if we come out of this draft over the next 3 rounds with Cyprien, Rogers and Lattimore, I would praise Colbert/Tomlin until the cows come home. If we reach on one of the small corners in round 2, draft a mediocre TE in round 3 and then pick a 200 lbs. running back in round 4, I'm probably going to be a lot more pissed off.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[TMC]

I don't understand the term "raw" used for Jones. He should be the furthest thing from raw. He's almost 24, he's been playing in the best conference in college football, and he's been playing pretty much the same position his whole life.

You can say Ziggy Ansah is "raw". You can say Lane Johnson is "raw". You might even say Bjorn Werner is "raw" (even though his game is as complete as it gets). Those guys have legit reasons to be "raw".

Jarvis Jones is not "raw". If we don't see it pretty quick from him in preseason and situationally this year, we should all worry. He's not going to be a different shape or body type or faster in 2 years. He's just not.

I think when they call him raw, it simply means he lacks well developed skills. He does not show a spin move. He does not use the rip (many feel it is because he lacks that core power). No club. No swim. No push pull. His go-to move is a double hand slap where he runs around the blocker. Gotta have more than that at this level. His size is not that big of an issue to me. He is the same size as Joey Porter when Porter came out. Porter was a better athlete though. In fact, he is pretty close in a lot of ways to Clark Haggans. Haggans was 6033, 253 pounds. He ran a 4.97 with a 1.67 10-yard split. His bench was 20 reps. His vertical was 31.5". His broad jump was 9'01". He had a better short shuttle than Jones. Total KEI was 62, one better than Jones. Same size, similar physical attributes.

Cliff Avril was also in that size area. The difference between Avril, Porter, and Jones comes down to their athletic attributes. We will see. What is done is done. Hope he turns out to be more Terrell Suggs than Clark Haggans, but if, at worst, he is Clark Haggans, that is better than a flat out bust.

[Superman]

he's got dreadlocks.

BUST

[Superman]

at least we didnt take Geno Fucking Smith

[Litos]

so is he moving to ILB where he could use his high motor and play recognizing better?

[Superman]

no. we're moving him to WR just to piss people off

[fedderone]

Why does everyone keep saying TE?? We are not New England. When Miller comes back, do you really see the steelers passing out of a two TE system? or passing out of 3 wide? The steelers are gonna draft a WR. They would like to see that wr on the field. Hell im pretty sure our fb see's the field more than our 2nd TE

We have this OC named Todd Haley.
Perhaps you thought Ron Erhardt was still OC, or the ghost of Arians was still lingering.
We're not run, run, pass anymore now that we don't have Bubby Kordell Maddox at the helm.

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

no. we're moving him to WR just to piss people off

you troll your own threads..

[Litos]

watching the highlights video one can argue he is a football player no matter what the combine numbers were. He just make plays and wreaks havoc all around.
Don't know why but he reminded me of a thick Polamalu, I wouldn't mind having another Tazmanian Devil but playing in the front seven

[Super Dave]

Timmons was a bust as soon as he exited the birth canal.

We haters were surprised that he found the exit door.

[antdrewjosh]

Some guys are just football players. Forget 40 times forget all the drills. Some guys just make plays. I felt going in to this process our biggest need was a pass rusher and apparently the front office did too. Good luck Jarvis work hard, hopefully good things will happen for you and the Steelers.

[Super Dave]

Timmons was a bust as soon as he exited the birth canal.
He was due in early June, but was delivered in March..............the following year.

[Papa Lazarou]

at least we didnt take Geno Fucking Smith

The draft isn't over yet...he is still on the board...maybe Colbert and Tomlin have a surprise in store in the second or third round and will take him there.

[Litos]

check out this analysis from Rob Rang, not bad comparisons, basically if the medical stuff is cleared we might have gotten a nice one:

Analysis
Strengths: Elite playmaker off the edge. Possesses an explosive burst to complement very good timing to consistently cross the face of offensive tackles and get them backpedaling. Has enough flexibility to dip under their reach and close on the quarterback, demonstrating strong hands and an eye for ripping the ball free for the sack and forced fumble. Stronger than he looks and has an effective bull-rush. Also uses this strength to be surprisingly effective in setting the edge despite routinely giving up 70-plus pounds to opponents. Locates the ball quickly and pursues with passion. Athletic enough to drop back into coverage.

Weaknesses: Size limitations. Possesses an impressive build but a frame that may not have much room for additional mass. Relies an awful lot on speed, showing few complementary pass rush moves. Was diagnosed with a spinal stenosis condition while at USC, a condition which has led some notable NFL players to end their careers rather abruptly, including San Diego Chargers Pro Bowl left tackle Marcus McNeill a year ago at just 28 years old.

Compares To: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos -- Jones isn't quite as explosive off the snap or as reliable an open-field tackler as Miller but he's close. The medical concerns are frightening but make no mistake, Jones is a Pro Bowl talent whose impact in the NFL will be immediate.

--Rob Rang

[Hines57]

We needed a pass rusher. We drafted a pass rusher. Now onto Round 2. I'll withhold any judgment on Jones until after he is wearing black and gold and we can have a discussion on his pro game. What he did at Georgia was impressive.

[bigappleyinzer]

Shariff is not suited for a 3-4, so the only player I assume everyone wanted was Eifert.


Eifert is a legitimate TE/WR combo yes, but where did we rank in turnover ratio lasts year? Where did we rank in sacks last year? How many times did we in Steeler Nation scream endlessly as opposing QB's stood in the pocket for hours with little to no pressure?!?!


JJ could possibly change this right away. Lets be honest, he fell right into our laps b/c the Jets basically reached with their 13th pick. And you know whats even funnier? All of the skilled offensive players are still there for the second round!!! Yesterday was obviously a bum rush for good linemen and we were lucky to get someone with a good motor.

[Litos]

Shariff is not suited for a 3-4, so the only player I assume everyone wanted was Eifert.

.

Rhodes and Trufant were there too

[bigappleyinzer]

Rhodes and Trufant were there too

Would you say that our pass coverage is one of our greatest concerns?

According to our rank, I would say no.

[Ironman]

After losing a starting corner I think a DB is a need especially after what we were putting out on the field at corner after Ike was injured. I will be surprised if we do not draft a DB today. Look for B.W. Webb from William and Mary in the 3rd round

[bigappleyinzer]

After losing a starting corner I think a DB is a need especially after what we were putting out on the field at corner after Ike was injured. I will be surprised if we do not draft a DB today. Look for B.W. Webb from William and Mary in the 3rd round

We also lost an OLB so whats your point?

Our pass coverage will not go from #1 to #20 because we lost Keenan; however- our pass rush was trash all year long and was just made worse with the departure of JH. This obviously was a pretty big need.

I think we get a safety somewhere in the 3rd or fourth. Would be surprised if we took a DB, actually.

[insaniti]

Shariff is not suited for a 3-4, so the only player I assume everyone wanted was Eifert.


Eifert is a legitimate TE/WR combo yes, but where did we rank in turnover ratio lasts year? Where did we rank in sacks last year? How many times did we in Steeler Nation scream endlessly as opposing QB's stood in the pocket for hours with little to no pressure?!?!



JJ could possibly change this right away. Lets be honest, he fell right into our laps b/c the Jets basically reached with their 13th pick. And you know whats even funnier? All of the skilled offensive players are still there for the second round!!! Yesterday was obviously a bum rush for good linemen and we were lucky to get someone with a good motor.

Where did we rank in offense last year? BPA is what should have been drafted. Jones was not BPA!

[TMC]

Would you say that our pass coverage is one of our greatest concerns?

According to our rank, I would say no.

I would. Unless you think William Gay has the corner spot on lock down.

And, when you start drafting solely on need, you take Troy Edwards over Javon Kearse.

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

I love his speed

Maybe this was a mispelling?

[bigappleyinzer]

I would. Unless you think William Gay has the corner spot on lock down.

And, when you start drafting solely on need, you take Troy Edwards over Javon Kearse.

Youre saying Keenan was a lock down corner?

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

maybe they drafted Jones to replace whatever they had in mind for Spence, and not to replace Worilds?


I dunno.

Spence was drafted for speed... so I'd say not. Jones was drafted for his motor/grit/tomahawk chop...

[Ironman]

Youre saying Keenan was a lock down corner?

Keenan was good, not a lock down corner, but was always in position when the ball was thrown his way. William Gay is not a starter. At this point in the draft, Steelers are drafting for depth and CB is a position that is low on talent/depth at the moment.

[SteelerSask]

Anyone calling the guy a bust is insane. He hasn't even put on sweats and shoulder pads. but anyone who doesn't think this is a seriously risky pick at a time when we shouldn't have much tolerance for risk is equally stupid.

[antdrewjosh]

I would. Unless you think William Gay has the corner spot on lock down.

And, when you start drafting solely on need, you take Troy Edwards over Javon Kearse.

Gay is starting?? Isn't Allen replacing Lewis.

[Vader]

I think when they call him raw, it simply means he lacks well developed skills. He does not show a spin move. He does not use the rip (many feel it is because he lacks that core power). No club. No swim. No push pull. His go-to move is a double hand slap where he runs around the blocker. Gotta have more than that at this level. His size is not that big of an issue to me. He is the same size as Joey Porter when Porter came out. Porter was a better athlete though. In fact, he is pretty close in a lot of ways to Clark Haggans. Haggans was 6033, 253 pounds. He ran a 4.97 with a 1.67 10-yard split. His bench was 20 reps. His vertical was 31.5". His broad jump was 9'01". He had a better short shuttle than Jones. Total KEI was 62, one better than Jones. Same size, similar physical attributes.

Cliff Avril was also in that size area. The difference between Avril, Porter, and Jones comes down to their athletic attributes. We will see. What is done is done. Hope he turns out to be more Terrell Suggs than Clark Haggans, but if, at worst, he is Clark Haggans, that is better than a flat out bust.

The problem is that Porter was a 3rd round pick with better numbers while Haggans was a 6th round pick. Like many of the Steeler picks, I have no problem with player, but I have a problem where he is drafted.

[thesteelcity]

http://shop.steelers.com/catalog/product/126088?na_ad=125979&LgRfrrD=0

get 'em while their hot. . .

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

Would you say that our pass coverage is one of our greatest concerns?

According to our rank, I would say no.

Was that before or after Willy Gay was on the roster :eek:

[TMC]

Youre saying Keenan was a lock down corner?

Nope. Keenan was not a lock down corner, but he is vastly better than William Gay, the guy signed to fill the spot Lewis vacated. Allen will move up, Gay is the nickel player. The thing is, we have the same situation at OLB. Worilds is moving up. Carter is the next guy off the bench. Xavier Rhodes has the same potential to impact at CB that Jones does at OLB. Maybe more since we use more DBs on the field in certain situations and NEVER use more than 2 pass rushers. Ever.

Furthermore, while we have Woodley locked up, Ike Taylor will hit his final year NEXT season, is well into his 30s, and there is NOTHING behind him. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The argument can easily be made that corner was a need. Hell, WR also since the ONLY WR we have signed for next season is Antonio Brown. No viable NT either. Want to talk about our safety depth and the health of the starters? Want to talk about the TE position and how Miller may not be ready until the middle of the season and we have a late round draft pick and a journeyman to lock that down until he comes back. Miller's contract is up after 2014 as well. He is in his 30s.

The whole idea that OLB was the choice because of need is pretty fucking laughable.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Jones reminds me of the Troy Edwards pick. They picked solely on need, ignored big negatives, and allowed better players to get past them. Jones is small and does not have elite athletic ability.

If Jones was 260 and strong as a bull, his 40 time would not bother me because he could be a power rusher and defend the run.
If Jones ran in the 4.5 range, then his lack of size would not bother me because he could add some weight and still be fast and be able to cover.

Jones is small AND he lacks speed. What happens if he does bulk up some, will he magically get faster?

My problem is that Jones appears to be a finished product physically. As was mentioned, he will be 24 this season. If he was drafted in round 2, it would be a great picked based on his production, but at pick 17, you should be getting a guy with higher upside.

I will not be surprised if Jones has 5 sacks this year as a situational pass rusher. My concern is that will be his ceiling if he can't be an every down player. 17th overall pick is a steep price for a role player.

[lasteel]

Not crazy about the pick at 17. Are we really comparing him to Suggs? Who is bigger, stronger and a beast and can play DE? Suggs is in another league than Jones.

[TMC]

The problem is that Porter was a 3rd round pick with better numbers while Haggans was a 6th round pick. Like many of the Steeler picks, I have no problem with player, but I have a problem where he is drafted.

Yeah, I know. About 3 weeks ago, we talked on this board how the film does not support a middle first pick. The problem is, so many people were high on him, it becomes a use the pick or he is a do not draft guy, because he won't be there later.

I guess my thought is this, what makes Jones so much better than Sam Montgomery? Montgomery had 17 sacks over the past two seasons, played with Mingo on the other side, Minter in the middle. Surely they nibbled down those numbers. Still had the productive numbers. He had 26.5 tackles for loss. He is bigger. He is 6032, 262 pounds. He ran better (4.78). Better 10 yard split. Better vertical and broad jump (34.5", 9'06"). Better shuttle. More reps (22 to 20). Total KEI was 67, significantly better than Jones. No spinal stenosis.

So, what puts Jones so much further up the ladder than Montgomery?

Hell, what about Corey Lemonier? He is 6033, 255 pounds. He had 15 sacks over the past two seasons playing on a team that really lacks defensive talent. He ran a 4.56 with a 1.56 10-yard split. He had 27 reps on the bench. His VJ was 33, broad jump of 9'11". That puts his KEI at 70, right at the magic number Kirwan wanted in his pass rushers. He had a 4.40 short shuttle. He also played in the SEC. What puts Jones value two rounds ahead of where Lemonier will likely go?

I simply do not get where the value bump comes from with Jones. Hey, the upside, he should be a terror in camp, especially if they play Mike Adams at LT.

[lasteel]

Nope. Keenan was not a lock down corner, but he is vastly better than William Gay, the guy signed to fill the spot Lewis vacated. Allen will move up, Gay is the nickel player. The thing is, we have the same situation at OLB. Worilds is moving up. Carter is the next guy off the bench. Xavier Rhodes has the same potential to impact at CB that Jones does at OLB. Maybe more since we use more DBs on the field in certain situations and NEVER use more than 2 pass rushers. Ever.

Furthermore, while we have Woodley locked up, Ike Taylor will hit his final year NEXT season, is well into his 30s, and there is NOTHING behind him. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The argument can easily be made that corner was a need. Hell, WR also since the ONLY WR we have signed for next season is Antonio Brown. No viable NT either. Want to talk about our safety depth and the health of the starters? Want to talk about the TE position and how Miller may not be ready until the middle of the season and we have a late round draft pick and a journeyman to lock that down until he comes back. Miller's contract is up after 2014 as well. He is in his 30s.

The whole idea that OLB was the choice because of need is pretty fucking laughable.

I agree, I dont know what they are doing? This team is confusing. The division keeps getting better draft by draft every year and it is showing on the feild. I wanted Rhodes or Eifert at 17, or even Trufant at worst. I laugh at people comparig Jarvis Jones to Suggs, that's laughable.

[SSS]

I'm on record as wanting Eifert. And I stand by that. Having said that... I don't think this is as terrible of a pick as some people are making it out to be.

Here is a quote from TMC's Draft Guide that I think applies (I hope this doesn't infringe on copyright laws):

"Conclusion: Jones has good size and speed for an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defensive scheme. He
can hold the point and shows good awareness in the run game. He will stick on the blocks a little long
and needs to work on shedding better, but he has the raw POTENTIAL to become really good in this area.
He shows some coverage skills but may need to be limited in this area early in his career as he develops.
He has nice burst around the corner and will set up the blockers. He continues to work hard as the play
develops and keeps coming until the whistle. He is a high motor guy that plays with some fire. At this
point, he appears to be just SCRATCHING THE SURFACE on his ability and he has excellent POTENTIAL. Jones
was initially diagnosed with spinal stenosis but has received medical clearance to play with later
examinations revealing it could have simply been a spinal cord contusion which has since healed. It will
be up to the teams to make the decision on his health risk."

The main point that TMC makes here (that I agree with) is Jarvis Jones is not a finished product. He has potential to improve in many aspects under our coaching/system.

When you look back at our history of linebackers, most of them were not pro bowlers in year one, They developed into stars. I realize Jarvis is a 1st round pick and he's expected to be a more "ready" prospect. That is a fair argument. But remember it took Troy a couple years to really "get it" and he was a tremendous athlete. Harrison was passed over by every single team in the league. For 7 rounds. He was cut from our (and the Raven's) practice squad. How did he get to be a pro bowl defensive MVP? He improved.

I think once Jarvis has a year or two with LeBeau and Butler he will show much better hand/shedding technique and much better dip/bend around the corner. I also hope he will become stronger with a more professional strength training program. Working with Ike and Tom Shaw every summer for 3 straight years is likely going to increase his speed.

I'm going to make a comparison with James Harrison (but not in the way most may expect). Harrison and Jones have one distinct trait in common. Their instincts. They both see the play developing very quickly. Not just what is happening. But what is about to happen. That is why their 4.9 forty times don't affect their production. Because they are one step ahead of everyone else from the start. I also think both of them understand short area angles and how to get to a certain spot to make a play. This is something Woodley understands as well. But Timmons does not. That's why Timmons is so good in the open field but seems to disappear in traffic.

I'm not pronouncing Jarvis as a star or a bust. I'm going to wait and see. But when I look at the other OLB's later in this draft I don't see anyone who makes more plays than Jarvis. And that is what football is all about. We'll see if he can produce at the next level.

[Ironman]

Jones reminds me of the Troy Edwards pick. They picked solely on need, ignored big negatives, and allowed better players to get past them. Jones is small and does not have elite athletic ability.

If Jones was 260 and strong as a bull, his 40 time would not bother me because he could be a power rusher and defend the run.
If Jones ran in the 4.5 range, then his lack of size would not bother me because he could add some weight and still be fast and be able to cover.

Jones is small AND he lacks speed. What happens if he does bulk up some, will he magically get faster?

My problem is that Jones appears to be a finished product physically. As was mentioned, he will be 24 this season. If he was drafted in round 2, it would be a great picked based on his production, but at pick 17, you should be getting a guy with higher upside.

I will not be surprised if Jones has 5 sacks this year as a situational pass rusher. My concern is that will be his ceiling if he can't be an every down player. 17th overall pick is a steep price for a role player.

I do not think the Steelers drafted for need first. The way Colbert talked about Jones is they had him rated very high on their board but did not think he would fall in their laps. I think Jones is a solid pick but he played on a very good defense and about a quarter of his sacks are him beating his guy by setting him up and then using a finesse move, the other quarter are schemes and the last half are coverage sacks where he uses his motor to track down the qb. I didn't see him manhandling his guy too often and using power to get to the qb. I also do not think a 40 time translates very well for an outside pass rusher. Pass rushing is setting up your guy, balance, quickness, power and motor. You do not necessarily need to have the fastest straight line speed to get to the QB which is 10 feet away from you. I think he will struggle against elite LTs if he does not have a bull rush as part of his package. He will also be a liability vs the run unless he gets more power at the line of scrimmage.

[TMC]

SSS, cannot argue with any of that. Hell, I said it. But, I think the part that bothers me, I just do not know if you spend a middle first round pick on a raw player IF, and this is a big IF, if there are guys on the board that have higher ceilings, higher floors, and are more NFL ready. That is the part that rubs me right now. I just felt that Jones was over valued at #17. Eifert is more NFL ready. He has a big ceiling. His bust potential is pretty low. I think Xavier Rhodes has better upside. I think he has a higher floor. I think Desmond Trufant has a similar floor to Jones, little better ceiling, but his scheme diversity, athleticism, and other traits put him in front.

The good part I am drawing from this, I felt this was a crappy draft (compared to other years anyway) with little star power at the top. In a normal draft, Jones would be a middle 2nd or worse. I guess I was holding out hope that one of the elite players would slip. Did not happen. Does not make me excited about the guy, does not make me hate him either.

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

I guess if Vaccaro was still on the board, they would have still chosen JJ.... seems that way.

Damn, thought for sure Eifert was going to be the pick. We would have had some serious height and athleticism on the field. Its just a double whammy the bungholes took him... Damn good target to have out there... I can;t belieev people can blow this pick uff so easily... guy can catch jump balls and has a huge ass catching radius... hope he doesn;t catch too many in the endzone against the Steelers... fuck. Better hope JJ gets to the quarterback alright...

[SteelerAl]

Joey Porter struggled against good left tackles. Many of his sacks were coverage sacks, effort sacks (i.e. QB just holds the ball forever), sacks in which he beat a tight end or running back but not an OT or Lebeau sacks (scheme allowed Joey to rush unblocked).

[Stillers]

Scouting report from WalterFootball....



Strengths:

Fabulous edge pass-rusher
Fast off the edge
Instincts
Great pursuit linebacker
Lives in the backfield
Constant source of pass pressure
Consistently produces splash plays
Excellent at stripping the ball out for forced fumbles
Skilled at shedding blocks
Chases running backs down from the backside
Has some pass-coverage potential
Great motor
Experience against double-teams
Disruptive
Causes havoc behind the line of scrimmage
Uses hands well
Can use his hands and feet at the same time
Plays with good leverage
Pad level
Quickness
Scheme versatility
Should be able to play immediately


Weaknesses:

Not a hard worker
Timed slow
Needs to add strength
Can miss some tackles
Can struggle with runs straight at him


Summary: Jones was one of the best pass-rushers in college football over the last two seasons and dominated the SEC, the nation's strongest conference. He started out his career at USC before a neck injury caused the Trojans staff to tell him to quit football. Other doctors disagreed and Jones transferred to Georgia. After sitting out a season, he took the SEC by storm in 2011.

Jones tied for fifth in the nation in sacks with 13.5 that year. The sophomore also had 70 tackles with 19.5 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up and two forced fumbles. His season was highlighted with a four-sack game against Florida.

Despite all the teams sending double-teams his direction in 2012, Jones was even better as a junior; he led the nation in sacks, forced fumbles and tackles for a loss. Jones totaled 85 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 24.5 tackles for a loss, seven forced fumbles, three passes broken up and one interception on the season. He had a string of dominating performances while missing the Kentucky game with a knee injury and didn't look the same against South Carolina, but bounced back in late October.

Jones had a game for the ages in Week 2 against Missouri. He stepped up with huge plays to help lead the Bulldogs to a win. Jones had nine tackles, two sacks, two forced fumbles, a pass batted and an interception returned 21 yards to the goal line. The turnovers he created came late in the game and sealed the win for Georgia.

Once again, Jones dominated Florida and carried the Bulldogs to a win that secured them a spot in the SEC Championship. He had 13 tackles, 4.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles and one fumble recovery against the Gators. Late in the fourth quarter Florida was driving for a game-tying touchdown, but Jones made the game-saving play with a forced fumble on a tackle from behind on tight end Jordan Reed at the Georgia 5-yard line. The Bulldogs recovered for the win.

In the SEC Championship Game against Alabama, Jones notched two sacks and a forced fumble. His sack-fumble was a phenomenal play on which he beat blocks from right tackle D.J. Fluker and running back Eddie Lacy to take down A.J. McCarron. Jones picked up another coverage sack later, but the Crimson Tide had a lot of success running straight at him. It was an ugly game for Jones as a run-defender. He finished his collegiate career strong with two sacks against Nebraska.

Jones should be a pass-rushing demon and a phenomenal edge-rusher in the NFL. He fires up field off the snap and is extremely hard for offensive linemen to get a hold of. Jones has good hands to fight off blocks with moves to get around linemen. While he isn't a power player, he uses some functional strength along with his athleticism to shed blocks.

Jones is a heat-seeking missile in pursuit. He is great at chasing down quarterbacks and running backs from behind. Jones is always cognizant of the ball and does a great job of slapping it out to force turnovers. He was a sack-fumble machine in college. While Jones does not have blazing speed, he is football fast and that was clear with how he dominated the SEC.

There are a few areas Jones needs to improve for the pros. He needs more strength to hold up against runs that come directly at him. That would also help him to avoid some missed tackles.

Scouts at the East-West Shrine told WalterFootball.com that Jones would slide on draft day because it was their belief he would test poorly before the draft and isn't a hard worker in the weight room. The scouts said that watching the game tape, Jones is worthy of being a high first-round pick, but they didn't feel he will go that high. That prediction was validated in the months to come. Jones declined to work out at the Combine and had an ugly showing at his pro day with a terrible 40-yard dash time between 4.9 and 5.0 seconds.

WalterFootball.com spoke with scouts who were in attendance at the pro day, and they said he did well in the linebacker drills, but really struggled in the timed tests. Scouts said that Jones isn't a bad teammate or a bad guy, but he isn't a guy who coaches will love during the week because he doesn't put in a lot of work. However, scouts said they loved the way he showed up on game day.

Jones could be an elite pass-rusher at the next level. If he goes to a good organization and coaching staff that can motivate him, he could be an absolute force. If Jones lands with a bad team that has frequent coaching changes and instability, there is the potential for him to not pan out. With the workout concerns and the neck injury, he could easily fall to the middle of the first round.

Player Comparison: James Harrison/Von Miller. It was a tough call between Harrison and Miller. Harrison, Miller and Jones are all tremendous pass-rushers off the edge. Jones and Miller (6-3, 245) are nearly identical in size, but Jones isn't as fast or explosive as Miller. Jones' speed off the edge is more similar to Harrison (6-0, 242). Jones could turn into a dangerous pass-rusher off the edge like these star NFL linebackers.

NFL Matches: Detroit, Arizona, New York Jets, New Orleans, St. Louis, Pittsburgh

There are a number of teams that could consider Jones in the first round, and a surprise team could easily snatch him up. It wouldn't be a big surprise if a playoff team like Atlanta, Houston or San Francisco trades up for him.

The earliest that Jones could hope to go is to Detroit with the fifth-overall pick. The Lions need to add talent at outside linebacker, and they also have to replace their best edge-rusher after losing Cliff Avril. Jones coming off the edge would be a nice complement to Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley.

The Cardinals (No. 7) and Jets (No. 9) both need to upgrade their edge rush. Jones would be a good fit in either team's 3-4 defense. However, it looks more likely that Jones will fall out of the top 10.

New Orleans at No. 15 makes a lot of sense. The Saints need an edge-rusher for their change to the 3-4. Jones could easily go to New Orleans.

The Rams also need outside linebacker help, so their pick at No. 16 could be used to take Jones.

The lowest that Jones should fall is to the Steelers at No. 17. They need to replace Harrison, and Jones is a great fit in their defense. Jones landing with Pittsburgh makes complete sense.

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

Scouting report from WalterFootball....


"Scouts said that Jones isn't a bad teammate or a bad guy, but he isn't a guy who coaches will love during the week because he doesn't put in a lot of work. However, scouts said they loved the way he showed up on game day."

We see how that worked out for Woodley... has a few good years and gets fat... (get your ass on that inverse leg curl machine Woodley.. I know the Steelers picked one of those machines up (I just bought one myself and talked to the Westside barbell rep).

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I do not think the Steelers drafted for need first. The way Colbert talked about Jones is they had him rated very high on their board but did not think he would fall in their laps. I think Jones is a solid pick but he played on a very good defense and about a quarter of his sacks are him beating his guy by setting him up and then using a finesse move, the other quarter are schemes and the last half are coverage sacks where he uses his motor to track down the qb. I didn't see him manhandling his guy too often and using power to get to the qb. I also do not think a 40 time translates very well for an outside pass rusher. Pass rushing is setting up your guy, balance, quickness, power and motor. You do not necessarily need to have the fastest straight line speed to get to the QB which is 10 feet away from you. I think he will struggle against elite LTs if he does not have a bull rush as part of his package. He will also be a liability vs the run unless he gets more power at the line of scrimmage.


Georgia moved Jones around. The Steelers won't do that. He will have to go against the LT. Watching Jones on film, i don't know how he will consistently beat LTs. Harrison wasn't that fast but he had freakish strength and leverage.

This pick does make me wonder if attitudes on the draft are changing because of the new rookie cap. With rookies making much less than in previous years, maybe the Steelers and other teams are no longer afraid to draft a role player with a #1 pick so long as he can be an impact player in that one role.

[The Iron is Steel On]

Very surprised at the negativity of this pick. Until the guy ran a forty, (which by they way has nothing to do with rushing the passer). this guy was a Top 5 player. We got him at 17!!!

I am very excited about this pick. This guy will get to the QB and create TOs.

I think he'll be a fan favorite by the end of the year.

[Ironman]

Georgia moved Jones around. The Steelers won't do that. He will have to go against the LT. Watching Jones on film, i don't know how he will consistently beat LTs. Harrison wasn't that fast but he had freakish strength and leverage.

This pick does make me wonder if attitudes on the draft are changing because of the new rookie cap. With rookies making much less than in previous years, maybe the Steelers and other teams are no longer afraid to draft a role player with a #1 pick so long as he can be an impact player in that one role.
The draft should change a little but you would think that teams would be more willing to take riskier picks higher than they normally would because of the CBA. It appears everyone went safe in the first round this year with lineman. It is probably just a strange draft class with no dominant skill players.

The one thing I noticed about Jones is he seemed to make a lot of splash plays where he just appeared and caused a turnover or got a big stop. He has the instincts to cause some turnovers or come up with big plays when needed. We do not have any of those players other than Troy on the defense right now and Troy may not have many of those left in him. We have not been forcing turnovers the last 2 seasons or making many big plays on defense at all. I think Colbert/Tomlin may have valued this attribute a little higher this season and Jones did show up on tape in a lot of big time situations.

[Harrison Schultz]

Why not move him to the left side (at least early on) and let him go up against RT's? Hell, Woodley hasn't done much lately, plus he's a seasoned vet, let him struggle and do nothing against premier LT's while giving JJ a chance to get into the backfield and be disruptive? I'd much rather see someone in a Stillers jersey back there with the QB/RB than no one, so if Woodley can't do it against RT's, he can still not do much against LT's while giving our new rook a shot at being productive.

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

We'll see if how he turns out. In the mean time Eifert, Desmond Trufant, Xavier Rhodes seemed like a better choice. I just keep thinking about how well Eifert could have helped our offense (instead of the bungholes).

Sure do hope he proves he was worthy of #17

[nitsuj1225]

Georgia moved Jones around. The Steelers won't do that. He will have to go against the LT. Watching Jones on film, i don't know how he will consistently beat LTs. Harrison wasn't that fast but he had freakish strength and leverage.

This pick does make me wonder if attitudes on the draft are changing because of the new rookie cap. With rookies making much less than in previous years, maybe the Steelers and other teams are no longer afraid to draft a role player with a #1 pick so long as he can be an impact player in that one role.

We drafted him as an OLB to rush the passer a la Harrison/Woodley/Peezy etc etc etc...what other "role" is he supposed to play exactly? Dude hasn't been a Steeler for 24 hours and everyone is already writing him off. Based on what?..one bad 40 time and a neck injury that he showed for the last 2 years wasn't an issue.

[SSS]

SSS, cannot argue with any of that. Hell, I said it. But, I think the part that bothers me, I just do not know if you spend a middle first round pick on a raw player IF, and this is a big IF, if there are guys on the board that have higher ceilings, higher floors, and are more NFL ready. That is the part that rubs me right now. I just felt that Jones was over valued at #17. Eifert is more NFL ready. He has a big ceiling. His bust potential is pretty low. I think Xavier Rhodes has better upside. I think he has a higher floor. I think Desmond Trufant has a similar floor to Jones, little better ceiling, but his scheme diversity, athleticism, and other traits put him in front.

The good part I am drawing from this, I felt this was a crappy draft (compared to other years anyway) with little star power at the top. In a normal draft, Jones would be a middle 2nd or worse. I guess I was holding out hope that one of the elite players would slip. Did not happen. Does not make me excited about the guy, does not make me hate him either.

Yeah. My mock had:

1) Tyler Eifert
2) Sio Moore
3) Corey Lemonier
4) Shawn Williams

That just seems like a better overall value to me (especially at OLB). I'd love to get a recap of the Steelers scouting reports on Jones vs. Eifert. I just don't see what they're seeing.

Another reason I mocked it that way is, Jason Worilds is a big unkown. What if he blossoms this year and we extend him? Its a lot easier to sit on Lemonier as a 3rd round back up. Groom him. Sub him in on injuries.

Meanwhile Heath his approaching his last legs. And his heir apparent is... Paulsen?

This pick is on Tomlin and Colbert. They better be right.

[Stillers]

Very surprised at the negativity of this pick.

People love to complain...

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

Bob Labriola:

"Jones began his college career at USC, but he experienced a health hiccup during his freshman season there, which was in 2009. In a game against Oregon, Jones sustained a sprained neck (C5), and the subsequent diagnosis was spinal stenosis. The USC medical staff then refused to clear him to play football, and so he transferred to Georgia after passing a physical there."

What on the fucking earth is that supposed to mean? "Sprained neck at C5" That doesn't even make medical sense. C5 is a vertebral body. you have intervertebrral discs at c4-5 and c5-6 ... You don't sprain a vertebral body, and strains and sprains are for muscles, ligaments, tendons... You don't make a call of spinal stenosis without an MRI and I think that was found as an incidental finding, unless he has a disc problem. All I know is that what Bob says above is comlete nonsensical jiberrish. Don't blame him since I'm sure with Player Privacy and HIPPA, only Jarvis Jones should be able to decide who knows what. I'll just have to assume the Steelers were smart enough to have him get a recent MRI of his c-spine...

“There was no problem,” said Colbert about Jones’ medical reports. “The kid has played two seasons without an issue at the University of Georgia. Of course, he has to go through a physical (at the Combine), and just to be sure we made another check when he came in (for his predraft visit). Certainly we’re very comfortable with his medical status, or we wouldn’t have made that pick."

Well I can't imagine them not 'making' him get an MRI during his pre-draft visit... he must have agreed to that.

[MT~Forged]

watching the highlights video one can argue he is a football player no matter what the combine numbers were. He just make plays and wreaks havoc all around.
Don't know why but he reminded me of a thick Polamalu, I wouldn't mind having another Tazmanian Devil but playing in the front seven

Maybe they plan on having him take over Troy's Havoc position eventually?

[skialta]

you people having issues with others that don't like the pick need to realize...this isn't like the recent years past. they needed to hit on this pick, and can't afford the usual bs of waiting for 3 years until the player actually makes an impact. this team wasn't any damn good last year. point to any reason you want injuries/turnovers/blahblahblah. the fact is the team sucked. don't feed me that bullshit about "but it was the number one defense". seriously important players from that defense are gone. some project that we now are talking about switching his position with health issues hanging over his head, was NOT the right move. hey...i'd LOVE to be entirely wrong. like BUSTAMALU wrong. but...we can't afford to sit and wait. eifert would have instantly contributed, the second he showed up. does ANYONE thing JJ is going to?
i highly doubt it

[skialta]

We drafted him as an OLB to rush the passer a la Harrison/Woodley/Peezy etc etc etc...what other "role" is he supposed to play exactly? Dude hasn't been a Steeler for 24 hours and everyone is already writing him off. Based on what?..one bad 40 time and a neck injury that he showed for the last 2 years wasn't an issue.



lol...yeah. "a neck injury", and a slow 40 time.
those aren't two major issues.
nope.
kumbaya

[nooneuno]

you people having issues with others that don't like the pick need to realize...this isn't like the recent years past. they needed to hit on this pick, and can't afford the usual bs of waiting for 3 years until the player actually makes an impact. this team wasn't any damn good last year. point to any reason you want injuries/turnovers/blahblahblah. the fact is the team sucked. don't feed me that bullshit about "but it was the number one defense". seriously important players from that defense are gone. some project that we now are talking about switching his position with health issues hanging over his head, was NOT the right move. hey...i'd LOVE to be entirely wrong. like BUSTAMALU wrong. but...we can't afford to sit and wait. eifert would have instantly contributed, the second he showed up. does ANYONE thing JJ is going to?
i highly doubt it
So wait, you're complaining this team made no turnovers last year on one hand and then saying they should have drafted Eifert on the other? lol

[skialta]

So wait, you're complaining this team made no turnovers last year on one hand and then saying they should have drafted Eifert on the other? lol

help me out here...were we on the bottom third of the league in offense?

[nooneuno]

Well I think Timmons can rest easy now, I get a feeling Mr Jones is going to be the new whipping boy of previous drafts unless he has an all pro rookie season.

[fogdoctor]

I'm a hater. I admit it. The pick was completely wasted IMO.

[antdrewjosh]

Where did they say he was switching positions? Only heard that nonsense on here.

[fogdoctor]

We drafted him as an OLB to rush the passer a la Harrison/Woodley/Peezy etc etc etc...what other "role" is he supposed to play exactly? Dude hasn't been a Steeler for 24 hours and everyone is already writing him off. Based on what?..one bad 40 time and a neck injury that he showed for the last 2 years wasn't an issue.

Bad 40 time and the odd injury history dont bother me much. What bothers me is the combination of bad 40 time, and bad bench press, and a bad vert, and a bad shuttle, and a bad standing broad jump, and struggles in coverage, and has not shown any NFL quality pass rush moves, and played with so many NFL players on his team that its difficult to evaluate his ability. I also dont think he was the best player on his own team.

[USDA#1]

Spence was drafted for speed... so I'd say not. Jones was drafted for his motor/grit/tomahawk chop... Spence struggled to run a 4.66....so much so, he didn't run at his Pro Day, unusual for a 'Cane.

[Turbo Pig]

This is a great pick

[Punxsutawney]

This is a great pick

Dude has the frame of a S and runs like a DT.

I'm just not seeing it.

This has a Timmons-esque Tomlin man-crush written all over it, and it's not a coincidence this is the most upset I've been about a Steelers 1st round pick since 2007.

[ColdGinAgain]

I swear if we drafted The Incredible Hulk some of you whiny cunts would fucking cry about it.

[Turbo Pig]

I don't see Timmons at all in this guy

[Punxsutawney]

I swear if we drafted The Incredible Hulk some of you whiny cunts would fucking cry about it.

And the Steelers could draft Richard Simmons and some of you pom-pom waving queens would defend it as the best thing ever.

[Punxsutawney]

I don't see Timmons at all in this guy

Timmons possessed a lot of measurables, but lacked instincts and physicality (still does).

Jones is tough and instinctive and was insanely productive in college, but anyone who thinks he possesses remotely close to a 1st round athletic skill set is fucking out of his mind.

[ColdGinAgain]

Find one post where I have EVER praised OR criticized a SINGLE pick by this team and I'll suck your dick on the 50 yard line on opening day.

Whether I like it or not.... I will at least let them try and get on the field. There's a reason the front office has their job, and we have ours. And like every single person on this board... sometimes they are wrong. Sitting on our fat asses in front of a computer crying about it isn't going to change it.

[Litos]

Hey I wanted Eifert too but getting pissed off won't do mug about it.
Just trying to find a bright side on the pick, now he's a Steeler and I want him to be a freaking monster

[stillwright]

Hey I wanted Eifert too but getting pissed off won't do mug about it.
Just trying to find a bright side on the pick, now he's a Steeler and I want him to be a freaking monster


The sad thing about the pick is some on here will hope he fails so they can bitch about Tomlin some more and might as well throw in Colbert also now. There were other guys I would of rather had but Jones is our guy now.

[SteelShield]

Can't make everyone happy with a first round pick. I like the pick because I love the tradition of the Steelers having the best LB's. I don't like the pick because it's telling about the teams faith in Worilds and to me that sucks. I really wanted Worilds to work out because I hate seeing our picks go to waste. It's kind of a double edged sword because you want to see your rookies make the starting squad and you want Worilds to make his pick worth something. Either way, what's ever best for the team I'm fine with. You can never have too much talent on a team so it's good to add a strong player like Jarvis Jones.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

We drafted him as an OLB to rush the passer a la Harrison/Woodley/Peezy etc etc etc...what other "role" is he supposed to play exactly? Dude hasn't been a Steeler for 24 hours and everyone is already writing him off. Based on what?..one bad 40 time and a neck injury that he showed for the last 2 years wasn't an issue.

Harrison and Porter also stopped the run and dropped into coverage. They were complete LBs. In college, Jones was weak against the run and has not shown coverage ability. If Jones can't do either of those things in the NFL then he won't be a 3 down player.

[nooneuno]

Timmons possessed a lot of measurables, but lacked instincts and physicality (still does).

Jones is tough and instinctive and was insanely productive in college, but anyone who thinks he possesses remotely close to a 1st round athletic skill set is fucking out of his mind.
The athletic skill set of Mike Mamula?

[bigappleyinzer]

While some of you are being rather reasonable and objective-

A good portion of you are making Steeler Nation look like a refuge of whiney p***ys,

[Steelr4evr]

Good god some of you just love to bitch. I am glad fans don't run the team. You guys would hire and fire everyone after every loss or bad play...haha. What you should be bitching about is all of the shitty fucking rules turning this sport into two hand touch fantasy cupcake horseshit football.

[GoSteelers]

two handed touch fantasy cupcake horseshit football?
great line.....................karma!

[t-man]

Good god some of you just love to bitch. I am glad fans don't run the team. You guys would hire and fire everyone after every loss or bad play...haha. What you should be bitching about is all of the shitty fucking rules turning this sport into two hand touch fantasy cupcake horseshit football.

That's all thanks to fucking Roger. Fuck him, and karma to you. :)

Joe

[obx steeler]

Can't make everyone happy with a first round pick. I like the pick because I love the tradition of the Steelers having the best LB's. I don't like the pick because it's telling about the teams faith in Worilds and to me that sucks. I really wanted Worilds to work out because I hate seeing our picks go to waste. It's kind of a double edged sword because you want to see your rookies make the starting squad and you want Worilds to make his pick worth something. Either way, what's ever best for the team I'm fine with. You can never have too much talent on a team so it's good to add a strong player like Jarvis Jones.
There may be concerns about Worilds but there may be even bigger concerns about Woodley. Is he the guy you saw the first 4 years or the last 2? If it's the last 2 we would have Worilds and Carter at OLB without the Jones pick.

[STEELERS R GR8]

Harrison and Porter also stopped the run and dropped into coverage. They were complete LBs. In college, Jones was weak against the run and has not shown coverage ability. If Jones can't do either of those things in the NFL then he won't be a 3 down player.

I understand what your saying but lets also but into consideration how the nfl is changing. It has become a more passing league so we do need more of a pass rush/coverage. Our ends are not set up to rush the rasser but our LB's are, our ends play the run well and thats why we can go after a guy like JJ. My consern on this pick is his spine issue not his cover/run issue, jmo!

[Badcat]

Very surprised at the negativity of this pick. Until the guy ran a forty, (which by they way has nothing to do with rushing the passer). this guy was a Top 5 player. We got him at 17!!!

I am very excited about this pick. This guy will get to the QB and create TOs.

I think he'll be a fan favorite by the end of the year.

Only a few offer insight...the rest are spewing ignorant ramblings centered on the YouTube videos blaring bad rap music.

[LT Dan]

Solid pick and just happens to be a huge position of need. Maybe they have plans to play Worilds on the inside? They obviously viewed the need for a RB much greater than an ILB as they passed up on Arthur Brown for Bell.

[skialta]

Good god some of you just love to bitch. I am glad fans don't run the team. You guys would hire and fire everyone after every loss or bad play...haha. What you should be bitching about is all of the shitty fucking rules turning this sport into two hand touch fantasy cupcake horseshit football.

yeah. because that hasn't been discussed here at all.
thanks for that.