Mock the Mock.....your worst fears come true.....

[TMC]

http://www.drafttek.com/round12008.html

THE RULES:
You cannot select a player that is AHEAD of your pick. If you did not pick him in the round before....too f'ing bad. No, I think he will fall shit. If he is gone, he is gone.
In this one, NO trades. Use your pick. And, this draft will have people going in different directions.

Your picks:
23rd-
54th-
89th-
120th-
151st-
182nd-


Let them fly.....

[TMC]

Here is what I would do....

23rd-Quintin Groves, OLB, Auburn-so, the top tackles and top guard are gone. Cherilus has to draw a little consideration, but IMO, Groves is going to be a game changing player in the NFL. His size, speed, and first step are excellent. Harrison is getting older and will only be under contract through 2009. I really feel if I went towards the line, I would be reaching. I would rather grab value and I think that Groves is the best value.

54th-Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M-While I really like Pollack and Schuening, I think that Bryant will become an anchor for some team in the middle. The Steelers have brought him in, so I think the Hampton comparisons are probably pretty accurate. While our offensive line needs help, if we do not address the DL, it will look like our OL next year.

89th-Jeremy Zuttah, OL, Rutgers-while I would have loved to nab a tackle early, I will take Zuttah in the 3rd. I know that some team from the AFC North spoke with him at the combine about playing center. There is a 25% chance that it was us. I think it was.

120th-Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn-another mid-level drafted corner that will probably play better than his numbers dictate. Lee played at a bigger school and held his own. I think in a few seasons he could be a solid contributor.

151st-Frank Okam, DT, Texas-I really do not need another defensive lineman, but hell, I cannot let Okam end up sliding past and then becoming a stud. I think he will. So, I draft two defensive linemen. Sue me.

182nd-Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas-injuries slowed him as a senior. He thought about coming out as a junior and would have been a mid-rounder (at the worst) if he had. A big target that moves well and does a great job of catching the ball with his hands.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

23rd-Cherilus
54th-Dre Moore
89th-Zuttah
120th-Zbikowski
151st-Lichtensteiger
182nd-Adarious Bowman

[LetMePlay]

Here is what I would do....

23rd-Quintin Groves, OLB, Auburn-so, the top tackles and top guard are gone. Cherilus has to draw a little consideration, but IMO, Groves is going to be a game changing player in the NFL. His size, speed, and first step are excellent. Harrison is getting older and will only be under contract through 2009. I really feel if I went towards the line, I would be reaching. I would rather grab value and I think that Groves is the best value.

54th-Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M-While I really like Pollack and Schuening, I think that Bryant will become an anchor for some team in the middle. The Steelers have brought him in, so I think the Hampton comparisons are probably pretty accurate. While our offensive line needs help, if we do not address the DL, it will look like our OL next year.

89th-Jeremy Zuttah, OL, Rutgers-while I would have loved to nab a tackle early, I will take Zuttah in the 3rd. I know that some team from the AFC North spoke with him at the combine about playing center. There is a 25% chance that it was us. I think it was.

120th-Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn-another mid-level drafted corner that will probably play better than his numbers dictate. Lee played at a bigger school and held his own. I think in a few seasons he could be a solid contributor.

151st-Frank Okam, DT, Texas-I really do not need another defensive lineman, but hell, I cannot let Okam end up sliding past and then becoming a stud. I think he will. So, I draft two defensive linemen. Sue me.

182nd-Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas-injuries slowed him as a senior. He thought about coming out as a junior and would have been a mid-rounder (at the worst) if he had. A big target that moves well and does a great job of catching the ball with his hands.

HOLY SHIT!!!! This draft would be amazing.

[Superman]

1. Gosder Cherilus, OT. We need an OT.
2. Red Bryant, DT. duh
3. Phillip Wheeler, LB He'll be groomed to take over for Farrior.
4. DeMario Pressley, DT. DAMN. in the 4th???
5. Marcus Monk, WR (Though it's EXTREMELY hard to pass on Jonathan Hefney) Monk would be a reach at this point, but he's got the size and hands that we need to make our WRs corps better
6. Adarius Bowman. WR. Think Ben will be happy? I do.
6.

[FlaStGrad]

1. WR Sweed/WR Hardy: With top OL off the board, I go with a big play WR to make Ben happy and open our offense up in the red zone
2. OT Nicks/OG Rachal: I take the best OL available
3. ILB Wheeler: I address the need at ILB 1 year before it is a huge problem
4. NT/DE Fluellen/DT Pressley (who ever fits better with our system): I build the DL and get players who can adapt to the 4-3
5. DT Okam: Same as above
6. WR Monk: I take a flier on another WR who may or may not develop

The only position I didn't address was CB.

[Superman]

Here is what I would do....

23rd-Quintin Groves, OLB, Auburn-so, the top tackles and top guard are gone. Cherilus has to draw a little consideration, but IMO, Groves is going to be a game changing player in the NFL. His size, speed, and first step are excellent. Harrison is getting older and will only be under contract through 2009. I really feel if I went towards the line, I would be reaching. I would rather grab value and I think that Groves is the best value.

54th-Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M-While I really like Pollack and Schuening, I think that Bryant will become an anchor for some team in the middle. The Steelers have brought him in, so I think the Hampton comparisons are probably pretty accurate. While our offensive line needs help, if we do not address the DL, it will look like our OL next year.

89th-Jeremy Zuttah, OL, Rutgers-while I would have loved to nab a tackle early, I will take Zuttah in the 3rd. I know that some team from the AFC North spoke with him at the combine about playing center. There is a 25% chance that it was us. I think it was.

120th-Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn-another mid-level drafted corner that will probably play better than his numbers dictate. Lee played at a bigger school and held his own. I think in a few seasons he could be a solid contributor.

151st-Frank Okam, DT, Texas-I really do not need another defensive lineman, but hell, I cannot let Okam end up sliding past and then becoming a stud. I think he will. So, I draft two defensive linemen. Sue me.

182nd-Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas-injuries slowed him as a senior. He thought about coming out as a junior and would have been a mid-rounder (at the worst) if he had. A big target that moves well and does a great job of catching the ball with his hands.

half-assed bastard.

[mightyguru]

23rd- Limas Sweed WR
54th- Chilo Rachal OG
89th- Philip Wheeler LB
120th- DeMario Pressley DE
151st- Frank Okam DE
182nd- Adarius Bowman WR

[Sluzilla]

Cason CB
Avril OLB
Greco OT
Pressley DE
DeCloud FS
Monk WR

[Parasite]

23rd- Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona.....DeShea has perhaps one more good year left in him. Cason becomes the starter in 2009.

54th- Carl Nicks, OT, Nebraska.....Huge man and huge upside. With question marks at both tackle positions, this is almost a no brainer to me.

89th- Ahtyba Rubin, DT, Iowa State.....Great run stuffer. Won't give you much pass rush, but that's not his job in our system. Would be a great rotational player right away and in a year or two take over for Hampton.

120th- DeMario Pressley, DL, NC State.....Yeah another D-Lineman. Sue me. I think he can project to end in our system very well. Maybe take over for Keisel if Brett continues to disappoint.

151st- Thomas DeCoud, FS, Cal.....Worried about Ryan Clark's availability, I'll snag DeCoud here. Hard hitter with not great ball skills. Still, will be feared for his wood-laying abilities.

182nd- Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas.....Huge target. Can come in and immediately be the designated jump ball receiver in the red zone.

[scrapdog]

1. James Hardy WR - IU
2. Sam Baker OT - USC
3. Victor "Macho" Harris CB/FS - VT
4. Frank Okam DT/DE - TEX
5. James Silva FS - Boston College
6. Jeremy Zuttah OG - Rutgers







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[SteelerFan448]

1. Limas Sweed WR - Grab the best receiver available in the draft and he is a big target. For our passing offense now, we need three effective WRs. The tackles left were rated too low to take and I have to say I have a hard time passing on Groves and Connor.

2. Cliff Avril OLB - Replacement for Harrison. He can play on situational passing downs (hopefully more than Woodley got to play) as he is groomed to start at ROLB next season.

3. John Greco OT - A guy we can groom to be our left tackle after Marvel's contract runs out.

4. Brian Johnston DE - A small school player who has the frame to be a 3-4 DE. He is a risk, but I think has a huge upside.

5. Frank Okam DT - Big upside for a player coming from a school that has produced quality DL.

6. Jacob Hester FB - I don't think Kreider will be back, so let's upgrade Davis with Hester.

[TMC]

I just read this about Red Bryant and thought it was interesting......

One of the terms used to describe a defensive lineman is that the player is an efficient "run stuffer." Perhaps no one player has been more important to his team in shutting down the opposition's running game than Joseph "Red" Bryant.

In the eight games that he appeared in for the Aggies in 2006, they allowed just 75.35 yards per game on the ground. In the five contests Bryant sat out due to a knee injury, TAMU was tagged for 229.2 yards per game rushing.

Compares To: CASEY HAMPTON-Pittsburgh … Bryant is bigger, faster and stronger than Hampton, but both play with great anticipation and short-area explosion to dominate vs. the run. Bryant is very good at neutralizing double teams and has few peers when it comers to shutting down the inside running game. He is a tireless worker in the trenches who has not been used much as a pass rusher, but with his speed, lateral agility and strength, he could develop nicely there if a patient coaching staff teaches him proper technique. Whether in a 3-4 as a nose guard or in a 4-3 alignment as a defensive tackle, few blockers at the professional level will have success containing him.

[scrapdog]

Agreed TMC,

A very impressive scout report on Bryant.

[TMC]

Honestly, he could be our first round target. No one expected us to target Hampton with our first rounder, many felt it may be Dan Morgan. Hampton kind of came as a surprise.

Maybe they take a long look at Red Bryant @23.

[Far51]

23 OT Cherilus we need a true RT badly , Colon is a OG playig out of position
55 OG Rachel we get a mobile, athletic solid OG that solidifies depth at OG
89 ILB Wheeler, we get Farrior's replacement
120 FB Owen Schmidt, old school FB, that can catch out of the backfield as well, easily as a rook should unseat Davis.
151 DT Fram Okam, very good value here, a run clogger could replace Kiesiel in the 3-4 or be the 2 gap when we do go 4-3, we will need a agile pass rushing guy next to him if we are 4-3
182 WR Marcus Monk, I really like Arrington if but if Monk is here hard to pass up someone like him, esp with his size, a trio of Miller , Spaeth & monk in the redzone could create nightmares for defences.

I try trading a late 09 pick to move to the top of rnd 7 to get Arrington, something abiout the kid that I can't let not be in B&G, good size, great hands, gets open, great work ethic.

[ianv2008]

23- Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
54- Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M
89- Jeremy Zuttah, OT, Rutgers
120- Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn
151- Thomas DeCoud, FS, Cal
182- Jacob Hester, FB, LSU

[Thorndike]

23rd- Antoine Cason, CB...BAA at a need position
54th- Mario Manningham, WR...again, BAA at a need position
89th- John Greco, OT...best OT at this spot
120th- DeMario Pressley, DT, a nice grab here
151st- Drew Radovich, OG, meh...not excited, but could contribute
182nd- Marcus Monk, WR, a steal here

[Pilz]

1. Limas Sweed
2. Mike Pollak
3. Phillip Wheeler
4. DeMario Pressely
5. Frank Okam
6. Chad Rinehart

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

23rd- Limas Sweed WR
54th- Chilo Rachal OG
89th- Philip Wheeler LB
120th- DeMario Pressley DE
151st- Frank Okam DE
182nd- Adarius Bowman WR

Two receivers, two defensive linemen.....and no OT or CB (or S)?

That's a nicht nicht.

[titus]

Here is what I would do....

23rd-Quintin Groves, OLB, Auburn-so, the top tackles and top guard are gone. Cherilus has to draw a little consideration, but IMO, Groves is going to be a game changing player in the NFL. His size, speed, and first step are excellent. Harrison is getting older and will only be under contract through 2009. I really feel if I went towards the line, I would be reaching. I would rather grab value and I think that Groves is the best value.

54th-Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M-While I really like Pollack and Schuening, I think that Bryant will become an anchor for some team in the middle. The Steelers have brought him in, so I think the Hampton comparisons are probably pretty accurate. While our offensive line needs help, if we do not address the DL, it will look like our OL next year.

89th-Jeremy Zuttah, OL, Rutgers-while I would have loved to nab a tackle early, I will take Zuttah in the 3rd. I know that some team from the AFC North spoke with him at the combine about playing center. There is a 25% chance that it was us. I think it was.

120th-Patrick Lee, CB, Auburn-another mid-level drafted corner that will probably play better than his numbers dictate. Lee played at a bigger school and held his own. I think in a few seasons he could be a solid contributor.

151st-Frank Okam, DT, Texas-I really do not need another defensive lineman, but hell, I cannot let Okam end up sliding past and then becoming a stud. I think he will. So, I draft two defensive linemen. Sue me.

182nd-Marcus Monk, WR, Arkansas-injuries slowed him as a senior. He thought about coming out as a junior and would have been a mid-rounder (at the worst) if he had. A big target that moves well and does a great job of catching the ball with his hands.

I love Marcus Monk at that point. He was a little used weapon that was clutch when called upon. If we pick Adarius Bowman over Monk, I will cry.

[slashsteel]

23rd- Quintin Groves, OLB, Auburn
54th- Carl Nicks, OT Nebraska
89th- Eddie Royal WR Virginia Tech
120th-DeMario Pressley, DT NC State
151st- DeJuan Tribble CB Boston College
182nd- Dennis Dixon QB Oregon

[Southern Steeler]

I'm disturbed by the lack of....or complete exclusion of....OL in these mocks.

[Superman]

I'm disturbed by the lack of....or complete exclusion of....OL in these mocks.

it may be me, but i think a serious talent at RT would significantly fix our ailments along the OL. With Hartwig, we have the center position nailed down. If Marvel comes back 100% healthy (and by most accounts that will be the case), then we can extend/sign Starks to take over for Faneca...if not move back to RT. I think our LG will be either Starks or Colon.

Our OL next season should be:
Smith - Starks/Colon/Kemoeatu - Hartwig - Simmons - Starks/Rookie

[FlaStGrad]

Out of curiosity... how many 6'8" LGs are in the NFL?

[Balls&YourWord]

1. Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College : He's not the future LT this team needs, but the last time I checked, in the NFL you play with two tackles. You could plug in Cherilus from day one and RT and I think he'd be fine. Move Colon inside to guard, a position he's much more suited for, and in one pick you've improved two positions. I was really tempted to go with Devin Thomas here though, I don't know why he's not getting as talked about, he's the most complete receiver in the draft and wouldn't surprise me at all if he's far and away the best when it's all said and done.

2. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M : He might just be too good to pass up here. He'd be an absolute beast in Pittsburgh though.

3. Philip Wheeler, ILB, Georgia Tech : I know they're moving Timmons inside, but with Farrior getting old in the tooth, and with not wanting to have Foote as a starter again, I think this would be a solid pick here. Between Woodley, Timmons, and Wheeler the Steelers would have really shored up a once old and lack of playmaking group of LBers.

4. Jamie Silva, S, Boston College : It's obvious he's patterned his game off of Polamalu, and while he's not the athlete Troy is, I love watching how he gets after it. He's a playmaker too, just seems to be in the right place and the right time, and the Steelers need more of those guys. I'm tired of trotting out guys like Tyrone Carter and praying they don't screw up.

5. Keenan Burton, WR, Kentucky: Coming into the season he was seen a first round pick, but he was injured on and off for most of the year and had an inconsistent senior season. But he's a great athlete, very smooth, and can jump out of a gym. He's great value in the fifth round.

6th. Jehuu Caulcrick, FB/RB, Michigan St. : You want a goalline runner and somebody who can break tackles? Here's your man. He's coming off a year where he ran for 21 touchdowns, and he's rarely brought down by the first defender. He doesn't have breakaway speed, and he's not a super athlete, but he'll get the job done. Bye bye Mad Crapper.

[ekeicher16]

23-Gosder Cherilus
54-Chilo Rachal
89-Philip Wheeler
120-Owen Schmitt
151-Thomas DeCoud
182-Marcus Monk

[mightyguru]

Two receivers, two defensive linemen.....and no OT or CB (or S)?

That's a nicht nicht.

That's just the way it rolled out on this particular mock. If you are interested, look into my other mocks.

Where's yours?

[Secret Santa]

If Monk is there in the 6th and we don't take him, I will be one pissed off fan. Doesn't really change anything, I guess.

[Balls&YourWord]

If Monk is there in the 6th and we don't take him, I will be one pissed off fan. Doesn't really change anything, I guess.

I personally won't lose any sleep on him, I don't think he's going to amount to that much really. There are lots and lots of other receivers I like better than him coming out this year.

[rossi]

I took a few chances but if size, strength, speed and big time programs give you hope then here goes:

1st Campbell DE Miami. Don't love him but he could be great and at worst I could see him being very good vs the run at 300lbs. We won't argue we have a need here.

2nd C Nicks OT Nebraska He likely goes earlier but some minor police issue has him slip. He could be our answer at T or G. At 6'5" 341 he is a load and he has the footwork of a tackle. Fills a need.

3rd Barrett S Arizona St Size of a lb speed of a corner. A perfect player for Tomlin to mold into a pro bowler playing next to our other pro bowler. Smith can be a fine backup. Fills a need too.

4th Lee CB He shouldn't be there which is why many of us took him. Seen him ranked as high as 5th regarding the corners. Auburn product who fill a big need perhaps not now but in 09.

5th Dykes DL W.Virginia Could play DE or NT. Has upside and could get Eason and a few others packing. Depth is a need here. Okam was in play but he should be in better shape at perhaps the most important time of his life.

6th Arrington WR Mich. Head case perhaps who can play. It's possible he matures and could be a replacement for Mr.Wilson. #3 type wr but it is the 6th round. Need filler.

A boom or bust type of draft but the upside is very high. Nothing against small schools just worked out this way.

[rossi]

23-Gosder Cherilus
54-Chilo Rachal
89-Philip Wheeler
120-Owen Schmitt
151-Thomas DeCoud
182-Marcus Monk

I didn't pick any of these guys but I had every one of them in mind for each round.I would have to say if it fell ekeicher16's way I would not be feeling to bad at all. That USC kid and Nicks I had in a coin flip situation. Took the T because I didn't select a T in round 1.

[Tres Rios]

23rd- James Hardy - WR - Finally a non-smurf WR to put a scare in some DBs

54th- Chilo Rachal - G - Big help for us on our weak OL - huge upside

89th- Jeremy Zuttah - OT/OG - With the signing of Hartwig at C and drafting Rachal and Zuttah we almost instantly go back to a solid OL.

120th- Chris Harrington - DE - good combo of size AND speed at DE. Lead A&M in tackles, tackles for loss and sacks! Probably ready day one to replace Keisel.

151st- DeJuan Tribble - CB - solid depth and future starter.

182nd- Dennis Dixon - QB - call me crazy but after the first 5 stellar picks our immediate needs are met. Hard to pass on this stud to have as your solid #2 once Batch goes or to dangle mid season or next season to someone (ahem Chicago) in bad need of a QB. Next 2 years at QB are supposed to be weak drafts. Someone will pay through the nose in a year or two.

[Southern Steeler]

For those choosing Dennis Dixon late I say "bravo". That guy just makes shit happen like someone else I remember....... Randle El

[Vader]

23rd- James Hardy - WR - Finally a non-smurf WR to put a scare in some DBs

182nd- Dennis Dixon - QB - call me crazy but after the first 5 stellar picks our immediate needs are met. Hard to pass on this stud to have as your solid #2 once Batch goes or to dangle mid season or next season to someone (ahem Chicago) in bad need of a QB. Next 2 years at QB are supposed to be weak drafts. Someone will pay through the nose in a year or two.

I'm shocked you would take a WR in the first round :D

Also you don't expect the Steelers to really trade anyone do you?

[deljzc]

That report that says Red BRyant is stronger than Casey Hampton is a joke.

Bryant benched 225 only 20 times and consistantly shows lack of enthusiasm for football. Hampton was in the upper 30's coming out of college. Bryant is build like Tarzan plays like Jane. He has all this athletic ability and doesn't seem motivated (in the weight room or on the field) to become a great football player.

His explosive quotient (bench reps + vert + broad jump) is equivalent to all the other busts we've been trying to put in at DE (Nua, Harris, McBean), which is the lower 60's. The reason all those guys fail is they aren't strong enough to play the position. We need a guy at DE that's 70+ on the explosion quotient and that let's you pick from Dre Moore or Trevor Laws if either is available in round 2. Both of those players project to our RDE position much better than Bryant.

Another late round option is Hayden from Wisconsin. He's close to 74 in the explosion quotient and is prototypical 3-4 DE size (6'-3", 290), but too small/slow for the 4-3 teams to really be interested in. He's a projected 5th rounder and would be very good value for us there.

Bottom line, anyone that only bench presses 20 times can't even be put in the same sentence as Casey Hampton. That's a joke.

[Tres Rios]

His explosive quotient (bench reps + vert + broad jump) is equivalent to all the other busts we've been trying to put in at DE (Nua, Harris, McBean), which is the lower 60's. The reason all those guys fail is they aren't strong enough to play the position. We need a guy at DE that's 70+ on the explosion quotient and that let's you pick from Dre Moore or Trevor Laws if either is available in round 2. Both of those players project to our RDE position much better than Bryant

Interesting. Never heard of that quotient before. The DE I want - Chris Harrington of Texas A&M has a 68.5 - is that decent? He only did 21 reps but for a 268 lb DE I don't see that as a big of a problem as a DT that only does 20 or 21.