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mesaSteeler
03-31-2008, 08:53 AM
Pittsburgh's draft options at guard
Posted by: Robert Rousseau on March 31, 2008 12:12 AM
http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21684.html

Many believe the Pittsburgh Steelers will choose an offensive tackle with their first selection (No. 23 overall) in April's NFL draft.

But what happens when you lose a perennial All-Pro guard like Alan Faneca?

You replace him. Kind of, anyway.

When the longtime Steeler signed with the New York Jets in free agency, it was a big-time loss for Pittsburgh. In all likelihood, the Steelers will have an incredibly difficult time trying to replace Faneca; it will probably take a long time for the team to find another guard like Faneca.

But you do have to move on, and what better place to do that than the draft?

There are five guards, all of whom are profiled below, in this draft who should interest Pittsburgh.

Branden Albert (Virginia): Albert is the best guard available in this year's draft. He stands 6-foot-7 and weighs 315 pounds, so he's big. In addition, he's extremely smart -- an underrated skill in offensive linemen -- and moves well (5.17 in the 40 on top of good agility). Beyond that, Albert started all 37 games at Virginia and has very long arms.

Getting Albert would be a great move for the Steelers. He has the stuff to make an outstanding guard in the NFL. Moreover, he possesses the athleticism and size to play tackle in the pros as well.

Thus, he represents the best of both worlds for the team. But if the Steelers want Albert, they'll have to use their first-round pick on him.

Mike McGlynn (Pittsburgh): It's hard to ignore the fact that McGlynn is a Pittsburgh Panther who has already spoken with Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin. We're talking proximity here, folks.

The 6-3, 311-pounder has a lot of power (put up 30 reps on the bench), and he's a versatile performer who might be able to play every O-line position.

"I would love to play for the Steelers, stay close to home," Glynn has said.

That's got to mean something too.

Chilo Rachal (USC): Rachal had to leave school early because of family needs; nevertheless, he's a big, powerful mauler (6-5, 315) who was able to put up 225 pounds on the bench 28 times. When he locks on it's over. On top of it all, Rachal has some speed.

The thinking is that Rachal's best-case scenario is as a second-round pick; the latest he'll go is Round 4. He would make a great early to mid-round selection for the Steelers.

Donald Thomas (Connecticut): Thomas, a 6-4, 303-pounder, is lightning fast for a lineman (has run the 40 below the five-second mark), is very strong (put up 28 reps on the bench), and played very well in both the Hula Bowl and East-West Shrine Game. Thomas didn't start until his junior season and is therefore somewhat raw, which could be a good thing in terms of his upside.

The negative is that Thomas has had some injuries throughout his career. But he'd be an interesting pick for Tomlin and the gang in the mid rounds.

Eric Young (Tennessee): Young suffered a torn quadriceps this past season. The bottom line on him is this: He's being projected as a guard right now but started the Volunteers' first eight games at left tackle before going down with injury. He's got the size and athleticism to be an excellent guard in the NFL, though, but he could end up at tackle.

So if the Steelers get a chance at Young early on Day 2, he could be a steal because he has the versatility they desire. They'd be gambling on his rehabilitation, however.

In the end, the Steelers will more than likely grab a guard in this year's draft. When is hard to say.

But it's quite possible that it will be one of the above five when all is said and done.

Life after Faneca will be difficult, but the guard cupboard will hardly be bare at the draft.

bearcatsno69
03-31-2008, 09:13 AM
I agree that Albert will be their with our first pick. He is probably the best option, due to his versatility. I would not be surprised if we go DL with the first pick. The top 4 Tackles will probably be gone by the time our pick, and possibly Albert. If this is the case, DL may be the way to go, seeing that the tackles rated 5-10 and the next couple guards will still be their in the second round. Those first couple of OL guys are studs, the next group are very good, but won't jump off the boards to fast.

BermudaSteel
03-31-2008, 09:16 AM
I'll say this again, we DON'T need to go G in the 1st round. We got a stockpile of them already.

OT is the need and a good one will be gone at 23. Unfortunate...but true.

BPA all the way.

BLITZ 43
03-31-2008, 09:38 AM
I'll say this again, we DON'T need to go G in the 1st round. We got a stockpile of them already.

OT is the need and a good one will be gone at 23. Unfortunate...but true.

BPA all the way.



Yeah I agree and I know we have beat this Albert thing to deaths but in the 1st round I do not want to draft a guy who is #1 at his position but we move him, what sense does that make? If we do end up with Albert then he better play guard but it won't matter cause we still need tackle's! BPA and I think we are looking at guys like Hardy, Bryant, Cooner, Groves, and maybe Baker.

leftcoaststeelerfan
03-31-2008, 12:04 PM
If we are not taking Albert or OT at 23, then we would be better served trading down a few spots, pick up a pick and then take our tackle.

kev4heels
03-31-2008, 12:26 PM
If we are not taking Albert or OT at 23, then we would be better served trading down a few spots, pick up a pick and then take our tackle.

I think most of us would agree here leftcoast...the problem is getting the trade partner to accomplish it. Unless Williams or Albert are there at 23 (and barring a major prospect free-falling), a trade down to the late 1st or early 2nd would be ideal. We could pretty much fix our glaring needs in the first 3 rounds. Of course...all of the teams in the late 1st are probably thinking about the same scenario as us.

bearcatsno69
03-31-2008, 12:35 PM
If we are not taking Albert or OT at 23, then we would be better served trading down a few spots, pick up a pick and then take our tackle.

Agreed, other than those top OL prospects, who will be gone, the guys ranked 5 to 10 at their position will still be there in the middle rounds. Except the center where the guys could drop even lower. One thing that we have going is that for the most part, our team is solid. We have holes to fill, but can accomplish the task in the middle rounds. I say drop down and grab an extra pick or two. There will be alot of quality picks throughout the draft, especially with a deep crop of OL prospects.

NYSteel
03-31-2008, 01:45 PM
I'm not so sure we will go OL at #23.

While certainly an issue all year, just as large an issue was the absence of a pass rush on the DL.

And, the Giants were able to slay the dragon because of their DL. I believe the road to the SB will still go thru New England in 08. And to beat them, Brady has to be pressured.

I am thinking DL at #23. Don't know who will there tho.

t-bone
03-31-2008, 01:47 PM
there may be more teams looking to trade down rather than up this time.

is that unusual?

leftcoaststeelerfan
03-31-2008, 02:49 PM
Some of that may depend on who Atlanta and Chicago draft in the first. If they don't take a QB early, they may want to jump back into the first to get their QB. Pit at 23 might be a nice place to trade up to.

BLITZ 43
03-31-2008, 03:42 PM
I think the team to watch for a trade partner is the Dolphins. You never know what Parcells has planned, they will want to draft a QB and they will not take one with the first pick so I can see them looking to get into the lower 1st for a QB.

markymarc
03-31-2008, 06:03 PM
I would have no issues with taking Albert with our first round pick. He can play G or T and is very athletic. If Albert is gone then it would be nice to pick up a few extra picks by trading down, but of course we would need a partner for that.

BLITZ 43
03-31-2008, 07:49 PM
I would have no issues with taking Albert with our first round pick. He can play G or T and is very athletic. If Albert is gone then it would be nice to pick up a few extra picks by trading down, but of course we would need a partner for that.



He has not proved he can play tackle especially in the NFL against the speed rushers. All the people that want Albert and think we can snap our fingures and bam he is a tackle are going to be the same people on here going "why did we draft a guard in the 1st round and move him to tackle"!

Sluzilla
03-31-2008, 09:43 PM
IWhile certainly an issue all year, just as large an issue was the absence of a pass rush on the DL.

although i agree we need another good DE...

i'm not sure how many times it has to be stated on here that in the 3-4...the DL is not the pass rush...the OLBs are...the down 3 are more for taking up space and blockers and stopping the run...with the occasional sack...

DrunkinIrishman
04-01-2008, 01:53 AM
I also would have no problem with Alberts number one. But guards can be had lower. If there is a good player at another position, I would not mind seeing them get McGlynn in a lower round.

markymarc
04-01-2008, 08:21 AM
He has not proved he can play tackle especially in the NFL against the speed rushers. All the people that want Albert and think we can snap our fingures and bam he is a tackle are going to be the same people on here going "why did we draft a guard in the 1st round and move him to tackle"!

I see your point, but who says whoever picks Albert will even try him at T. No question he is the best G in the draft and IMO would be well worth the #23 pick if he lasted that long. Albert will be a very solid lineman in the NFL and can improve any offensive line.

BLITZ 43
04-01-2008, 12:34 PM
I see your point, but who says whoever picks Albert will even try him at T. No question he is the best G in the draft and IMO would be well worth the #23 pick if he lasted that long. Albert will be a very solid lineman in the NFL and can improve any offensive line.


Well we beat this pretty good in the other threads but I feel with Mahan, Kemo, Simmons, and Colon we would be ok at guard while we would still be bad at tackle. Tackle is the position the Steelers need and is Albert really that much better then Rachael, Young or even Shuening to ward a 1st round pick on him? This all comes down to how each person feels about our needs I would rather have say Hardy and Cousins then say Albert and Cousins since I feel our needs are ot, wr, rb, dline and db. By not taking Albert we could fill 2 needs instead of 1 on the first day of the draft. JMO

RWein72
04-01-2008, 12:52 PM
I also would have no problem with Alberts number one. But guards can be had lower. If there is a good player at another position, I would not mind seeing them get McGlynn in a lower round.

I agree go for a top corner prospect and inject some youth into the D line McGlynn Baton can be 3-4th round pick ups

NYSteel
04-01-2008, 06:15 PM
although i agree we need another good DE...

i'm not sure how many times it has to be stated on here that in the 3-4...the DL is not the pass rush...the OLBs are...the down 3 are more for taking up space and blockers and stopping the run...with the occasional sack...

Slu,

Regardless of your scheme, whether it be 4/3 or 3/4, on a given pass play, the intent is to be able to pressure the QB in less than 4 seconds. We can't do it right now, whether we run 4 DL or 3 DL/1OLB.

I understand the scheme behind the 3/4, with the DL playing 2-gap run protection. But, any DL has to have some ability to rush the passer. And ours have been poor in this capacity for a while.

Vader
04-02-2008, 02:06 AM
Slu,

Regardless of your scheme, whether it be 4/3 or 3/4, on a given pass play, the intent is to be able to pressure the QB in less than 4 seconds. We can't do it right now, whether we run 4 DL or 3 DL/1OLB.

I understand the scheme behind the 3/4, with the DL playing 2-gap run protection. But, any DL has to have some ability to rush the passer. And ours have been poor in this capacity for a while.

It still isn't their primary job. Our pass rush has sucked because our Lbers are below average pass rushers. Haggans was our primary rusher but he had a terrible year.

The reason to draft another DL isn't to get sacks but to free up the Lbers to get sacks and to stop the run. When Smith went down so did our run stopping ability. We need someone to backup Smith.

markymarc
04-02-2008, 08:21 AM
Well we beat this pretty good in the other threads but I feel with Mahan, Kemo, Simmons, and Colon we would be ok at guard while we would still be bad at tackle. Tackle is the position the Steelers need and is Albert really that much better then Rachael, Young or even Shuening to ward a 1st round pick on him? This all comes down to how each person feels about our needs I would rather have say Hardy and Cousins then say Albert and Cousins since I feel our needs are ot, wr, rb, dline and db. By not taking Albert we could fill 2 needs instead of 1 on the first day of the draft. JMO

While Albert would provide great OG depth I agree that a true T still needs to be drafted for the future. As long as we address the OL and DL early in the draft I will be happy.

BLITZ 43
04-02-2008, 09:44 AM
While Albert would provide great OG depth I agree that a true T still needs to be drafted for the future. As long as we address the OL and DL early in the draft I will be happy.


Yeah I know what you mean but one thing to keep in mind is this draft is pretty deep and to be honest even in round 4 I feel we can get an impact player. It may not be a starter for this year but he would add depth and might push for a starting job in 09. I really feel with as stong as this draft is our 1st 4 picks could all be starters in a year or two.

markymarc
04-02-2008, 04:16 PM
Yeah I know what you mean but one thing to keep in mind is this draft is pretty deep and to be honest even in round 4 I feel we can get an impact player. It may not be a starter for this year but he would add depth and might push for a starting job in 09. I really feel with as stong as this draft is our 1st 4 picks could all be starters in a year or two.

I agree that this draft is very deep at certain positions. If we don't trade down in the first round then I hope we nail all 6 picks we have this year. Sucks only having 6 picks, but I trust Colbert and Co to make the right picks. No question it would be nice to have our first 4 picks being starters in 1 to 2 years.