Finally, the NFL admits error against Steelers for non-holding call

[Sean]

Playoff flag that wasn't thrown

Mike Pereira, the NFL's head of officiating, admitted yesterday that his crew working the Steelers-Jaguars playoff game erred in not calling a holding penalty against Jacksonville on a crucial play that allowed the Jaguars to kick the winning field goal.

Quarterback David Garrard scrambled on fourth-and-2 from the Steelers 43 and made the first down. Three plays later, Josh Scobee kicked a field goal, giving the Jaguars a 31-29 victory. Several Steelers players complained there was blatant holding on Garrard's run. Nearly three months later, Pereira agreed with them.

Tomlin declined to comment on Pereira's admission.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08093/869712-66.stm
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This ought to generate some interesting conversation...

[CoolieMan]

ancient history.....doesn't matter now.....

[Balls&YourWord]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.

[Jer]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.


Don't even start that shit here. The fouls were made, the calls were made, and the only ones bitching about them were Holmgren and the cry baby bitches calling themselves Seahawk fans.

There were two blatant holding calls on that run. Farrior was held on the inside and Silverback was held on the outside.

[CoolieMan]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.


then you are a fucking idiot....no bad calls went against the seahawks in Super Bowl XL.....they got some tough breaks, commiting penalties in bad situations...but nothing like the blown call on the 4th down run by jacksonville

[LetMePlay]

That non-call(s) still bothers me.

[Diamond Dave]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.

Really now? And pray tell, what calls were these?

[domthebomb228]

It's a shame that wasn't called, but i hope nobody whines about it saying we got robbed. We had plenty of chances to win that game and didn't capitalize. We're not seahag fans here.

[CoolieMan]

It's a shame that wasn't called, but i hope nobody whines about it saying we got robbed. We had plenty of chances to win that game and didn't capitalize. We're not seahag fans here.


sure...but the Steelers had the lead and it was 4th and 2 when the refs blew the call......that did kind of make a difference in the game.....but the Steelers lost the game when they couldn't get a 1st down running the ball 3 times....

[crimsonsteel]

If I thought we would have had a chance against the the Pats the following week I would care. Thanks Mike, for giving us all flashbacks of the 2000 season. 3, yes 3 letters of apologies for blown calls that year.

[CoolieMan]

If I thought we would have had a chance against the the Pats the following week I would care. Thanks Mike, for giving us all flashbacks of the 2000 season. 3, yes 3 letters of apologies for blown calls that year.

if you are actually in the game, you have a better chance to win....

[Coryea]

sure...but the Steelers had the lead and it was 4th and 2 when the refs blew the call......that did kind of make a difference in the game.....but the Steelers lost the game when they couldn't get a 1st down running the ball 3 times....

The Giants won the Super Bowl on a defensive stand on the last possession, it still counts as a win.
If Harrison or Hampton isn't held, Garrard is lucky to get back to the LOS, game over we win, regardless of the stupid play calling on our offensive possession.

[Sean]

Somebody has to have the photographic evidence...

I can't seem to find it on Yahoo! or Google.

[CoolieMan]

The Giants won the Super Bowl on a defensive stand on the last possession, it still counts as a win.
If Harrison or Hampton isn't held, Garrard is lucky to get back to the LOS, game over we win, regardless of the stupid play calling on our offensive possession.

that is why I said the blown call made a difference in the game......but I am still just as pissed about the Steelers last offensive possession as I am about that blown call.

[steelreeling]

If we were in Cincy, i would say that these refs cost us a Super Bowl championship!
pffft.

[BermudaSteel]

Well with this revelation...I guess we WILL find out "what was on the tapes"...






































Well, maybe next year.

[Jer]

that is why I said the blown call made a difference in the game......but I am still just as pissed about the Steelers last offensive possession as I am about that blown call.

Get used to it, 'cause shithead is still the offensive coordinator.

[Coryea]

The difference between this and the Sea-Fags game is the Pereira reviewed the calls in the Super Bowl and said they were correct, now if he reviewed them and said they were missed calls like in our game vs Jax, then they'd have a bitch.

[Jer]

Somebody has to have the photographic evidence...

I can't seem to find it on Yahoo! or Google.

It's on youtube....search on Gerrard Steelers

[Stryker]

There was one bad call against the Seahawks in SB XL and that was the "tackle below the knees" on Hasselback, who didn't make contact with ike taylor on the interception return. All of the rest were valid, but if you're a part time football fan and full time Starbucks drinker, it could seem like your team was taken advantage of.

[Sean]

It's on youtube....search on Gerrard Steelers

Dammit...

I wish I was good at embedding. Maybe somebody will step up and help a brother out.

[OFTT]

that is why I said the blown call made a difference in the game......but I am still just as pissed about the Steelers last offensive possession as I am about that blown call.

This is exactly the point ... it amuses me (in a goofy kinda way, like dropping a concrete block on your foot) that it seems around here if you give any kind of weight whatsoever to the effect the blown multiple holding calls (on the same play at the point of attack) were to the Jax game - you are immediately labeled a whiney little seahag-like bitch and accused of blaming that play as being the only play of the game.

IMO, its simply over-compensation by people afraid of seeming to afford the quality of referring as having ANY kind of effect on the game's outcome versus the he-man notion that the Steelers only deserve to win games they completely dominate.

I mean really, for a play in which Garrard was blown repeatedly for ad nauseum nationally by the media like he was fucking superman which included blown non-called holding that there was not much more than a peep about by any media on the same play - for Pereira to come out and admit publically 3 months + later that the crew fucked that play up might suggest some of us "whiney seahag-like bitching" labeled fans had a speck of legitimacy ... maybe.

[Uncle Joe]

Somebody has to have the photographic evidence...

I can't seem to find it on Yahoo! or Google.

You mean like this?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/writers/tim_layden/01/08/afc0114/p1_garrard.jpg

[JohnnyO]

If I thought we would have had a chance against the the Pats the following week I would care.

Right. It isn't like the Steelers would have won the AFCCG or SB anyway. Friggin' lucky to get as far as they did.
In other ancient and irrelevant news, they think a second gunman shot Bobby Kennedy. :rolleyes:

[Uncle Joe]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.

IIRC the only bad call that went the Steelers way was the penalty for blocking below the waist on poor Matthew after his Int.

[CoolieMan]

Right. It isn't like the Steelers would have won the AFCCG or SB anyway. Friggin' lucky to get as far as they did.
In other ancient and irrelevant news, they think a second gunman shot Bobby Kennedy. :rolleyes:


as I said earlier....you at least have a chance, if you are allowed to play the game.....

[Coryea]

I don't think anyone gave the Giants a chance in the Super Bowl either.

[Jer]

I don't think anyone gave the Giants a chance in the Super Bowl either.

Or a wild card Steelers team in 2005

[Diamond Dave]

IIRC the only bad call that went the Steelers way was the penalty for blocking below the waist on poor Matthew after his Int.

And even that play had a blatant personal foul that wasn't called.

[1st & 10]

It was a bad job by the refs to miss the holding calls, it definitely
affected the game. That was not the sole reason we lost, but certainly
played a part in it. Glad that they decided to man up and admit the mistake.

The bad job by the refs, along with the bad offensive play calling
on the previous Steelers offensive possession were two big reasons we lost
that game.. We owned Jax in the short passing game and went away from our
strength, when we decided to try and run out the clock by running the ball.
The 2 pt conversion decisions were also a factor in the loss.
1st season coaching mistakes that Tomlin will do better with this year.

[Doc]

I never understood why they do this.

I don't understand what good telling the Steelers "we fucked you".

ya, no shit.

[Coryea]

I never understood why they do this.

I don't understand what good telling the Steelers "we ed you".

ya, no .

Not only did we fuck you, but the guys that did fuck you aren't getting fined or anything.

[Steel Conviction]

The (no) calls sucked on that play. Really sucked that they had their CHOICE of holding calls and "missed" both, notwithstanding the fact they were all watching the hole Garard went through.

That being said, no one is replaying the end of the season. We don't get any type of compensation. Time to move on.

[RevBillyC]

Not only did we fuck you, but the guys that did fuck you aren't getting fined or anything.

...and will be in the same job this season ready to fuck again & again...

[Coryea]

The (no) calls sucked on that play. Really sucked that they had their CHOICE of holding calls and "missed" both, notwithstanding the fact they were all watching the hole Garard went through.

That being said, no one is replaying the end of the season. We don't get any type of compensation. Time to move on.

Actually there were 3 missed hold calls, Hampton was tackled, Harrison was very clearly held, and in the pic several posts above it's obvious that Keisel was held.

I think what pissed everyone off so bad is that all the officials missed 3 very obvious holds on the crucial play, but had the balls to call a very questionable hold on Mahan that negated our 2 point conversion, on a play that was almost bang, bang.

[TDX27]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.
Big difference. In XL every one of the calls that made a difference was verified by replay.

[cutty]

It's on youtube....search on Gerrard Steelers


I saved it on my TIVO, so clear to see the holding not being called. I still think we would have lost the following week at the cheatriots, we will never know for sure.

[mightyguru]

Everybody saw the blatant holding all over the field on that play....the refs blew it. Sucks but it's all over now.

[FistfullofRings]

The Steelers weren't going anywhere in the playoffs, the Jags game just put them out of their misery.

[Jmat]

It's a shame that wasn't called, but i hope nobody whines about it saying we got robbed. We had plenty of chances to win that game and didn't capitalize. We're not seahag fans here.

Fuckin'A. Yes the ref missed an obvious and blatant holding call but the Steelers should have had that game put away long before the hold occurred.

It's water under the bridge. Let's move on.

[CoolieMan]

The Steelers weren't going anywhere in the playoffs, the Jags game just put them out of their misery.

not sure how that makes it any better? as was stated earlier...the Giants had no chance in the Super Bowl either....the only way to win is to play the game....

[Balls&YourWord]

Really now? And pray tell, what calls were these?

This has been rehashed over and over again I'm sure, but you're not going to tell me that after the SB you didn't feel just a little weird and underwhelmed by how that game played out. And I'm a complete diehard. Ben looked horrible and played scared, and the whole team looked completely overwhelmed by the situation. Yet they still won going away.

Okay, let me just say that every call that could have went for the Steelers and against the Seahawks did, I'm sorry, but that's just how it went. The Steelers got all of the breaks in that game. 9 times out of 10 a small pushoff like that doesn't get called, and the penalty against Hasselbeck on the INT when he simply tackled the ball carrier was completely dumb. The others have been discussed many times over as well, all borderline stuff, and all of it went the Steelers way. Usually, that doesn't happen, and in that way they were pretty lucky. And that's why arguably the biggest story post SB was how the game was officiated.

Now, that didn't allow them to win the game, nor did it stop the Seahawks from winning it, but it was a weird game, and I don't think the Steelers were 11 points better than the Seahawks that day. If you believe that then you were watching a different game than me. That doesn't take away from the SB win, it was well earned, but I still don't see how anyone can not at least mention that the Steelers were lucky to have all those calls go their way.

[Doc]

uh-oh............

[Secret Santa]

Not only did we fuck you, but the guys that did fuck you aren't getting fined or anything.

AAAANDD, if the HC complains about the officiating, he DOES get fined.

[CoolieMan]

This has been rehashed over and over again I'm sure, but you're not going to tell me that after the SB you didn't feel just a little weird and underwhelmed by how that game played out. And I'm a complete diehard. Ben looked horrible and played scared, and the whole team looked completely overwhelmed by the situation. Yet they still won going away.

Okay, let me just say that every call that could have went for the Steelers and against the Seahawks did, I'm sorry, but that's just how it went. The Steelers got all of the breaks in that game. 9 times out of 10 a small pushoff like that doesn't get called, and the penalty against Hasselbeck on the INT when he simply tackled the ball carrier was completely dumb. The others have been discussed many times over as well, all borderline stuff, and all of it went the Steelers way. Usually, that doesn't happen, and in that way they were pretty lucky. And that's why arguably the biggest story post SB was how the game was officiated.

Now, that didn't allow them to win the game, nor did it stop the Seahawks from winning it, but it was a weird game, and I don't think the Steelers were 11 points better than the Seahawks that day. If you believe that then you were watching a different game than me. That doesn't take away from the SB win, it was well earned, but I still don't see how anyone can not at least mention that the Steelers were lucky to have all those calls go their way.


I stick by my earlier statement about your intelligence....

if a WR pushes off in front of the ref...it is going to be called....if a lineman holds the LB on the way to the QB...it will be called....the Steelers had bad breaks also....they had the ball 3rd and 28...the difference is..they made the plays...Seattle couldn't....it was not the refs fault that Seattle totally mishandled the clock pretty much the whole game...

as stated earlier...the only bad call was the one on hasslebeck...

is it the refs fault that on willie's TD, not a single seahawk could lay a hand on him? or that the safety bit so hard on the fake on Randle El's TD pass to Ward?

The Steelers made plays when they had to....Seattle couldn't....

[Secret Santa]

but you're not going to tell me that after the SB you didn't feel just a little weird and underwhelmed by how that game played out.

I can say that you are completely wrong. I was fucking ecstatic. WP's record setting run, Randle El's TD pass to Hines. Gives me goosebumps just typing it.

I didn't realize that having actual penalties called against your opponent was 'getting breaks'.

How does a penalty not being called other times justify it not being called later? The receiver actually MOVED the defen..nm, if you can't see that, no point in doing it again.

[Balls&YourWord]

Don't even start that shit here. The fouls were made, the calls were made, and the only ones bitching about them were Holmgren and the cry baby bitches calling themselves Seahawk fans.

Did you live in a cave back then? Did you not remember how that was arguably the biggest story coming out of the SB, or how damn near every sports writer in America was calling for full time officials based on how the SB went down? Quit kidding yourself... if you polled the country right now, they'd still say the Steelers were lucky to get all those breaks to go there way. That's just how it is. They won the game and it was well earned, the Steelers made more big, game changing plays than the Seahawks, but they weren't 11 points better than the Seahawks, sorry.

[DerbyCityBNGfan]

I've always looked at it as everything evening out after all the calls that went the Steelers way in XL, so it didn't bother me as much as it did others.

two calls...ben's 1 yd td and jackson pushing off on chris hope...the receiver completely extended his arm (a no-no) and there was no evidence to prove ben didn't make it to the line...they thoroughly beat the seahawks that night, and it would have been worse had ben not sucked it up...think how much differently that game would have been perceived had he not thrown that pick on the goal line (it may have been trufant or herndon taking it back 75 yds before antwaan dragged him down), that play still drives me nuts Ced was wide open.

there were no calls that made a huge difference in the outcome of the game in XL. 4th and 12 rather than 1st and goal would have made a big difference in january.

[Balls&YourWord]

I stick by my earlier statement about your intelligence....

if a WR pushes off in front of the ref...it is going to be called....if a lineman holds the LB on the way to the QB...it will be called....the Steelers had bad breaks also....they had the ball 3rd and 28...the difference is..they made the plays...Seattle couldn't....it was not the refs fault that Seattle totally mishandled the clock pretty much the whole game...

as stated earlier...the only bad call was the one on hasslebeck...

is it the refs fault that on willie's TD, not a single seahawk could lay a hand on him? or that the safety bit so hard on the fake on Randle El's TD pass to Ward?

The Steelers made plays when they had to....Seattle couldn't....

And you're a grown man who still loves the Simpsons apparently, that's awesome. I don't care what you think of my intelligence, the only thing you know about me is that I think the Steelers got lucky in the SB, and that the game should've been a lot closer than it was. If that makes me an idiot then so be it.

[CoolieMan]

Did you live in a cave back then? Did you not remember how that was arguably the biggest story coming out of the SB, or how damn near every sports writer in America was calling for full time officials based on how the SB went down? Quit kidding yourself... if you polled the country right now, they'd still say the Steelers were lucky to get all those breaks to go there way. That's just how it is. They won the game and it was well earned, the Steelers made more big, game changing plays than the Seahawks, but they weren't 11 points better than the Seahawks, sorry.

The scoreboard says they were.....


and if you asked someone today about that game...they would say quit fucking whining you little bitch...the seahawks lost...get over it....

[CoolieMan]

And you're a grown man who still loves the Simpsons apparently, that's awesome. I don't care what you think of my intelligence, the only thing you know about me is that I think the Steelers got lucky in the SB, and that the game should've been a lot closer than it was. If that makes me an idiot then so be it.

The admin of this site made me this avatar....and yes....I do like the simpsons....

you are an idiot for thinking the seahawks were somehow robbed in XL

[Balls&YourWord]

I can say that you are completely wrong. I was fucking ecstatic. WP's record setting run, Randle El's TD pass to Hines. Gives me goosebumps just typing it.

I didn't realize that having actual penalties called against your opponent was 'getting breaks'.

How does a penalty not being called other times justify it not being called later? The receiver actually MOVED the defen..nm, if you can't see that, no point in doing it again.

I thought it was one of the worst SB's I had ever seen. I was grateful the Steelers had won, but I was disappointed that Ben had played so badly and how bad a game it had been. To go from the way they played against the Colts and the Broncos, to the team that showed up in Detroit, was fairly disappointing. Thank God they won though.

[Super Dave]

The Steelers weren't going anywhere in the playoffs, the Jags game just put them out of their misery.

Yeah and we should of been playing in Jacksonville anyway......

[Balls&YourWord]

The admin of this site made me this avatar....and yes....I do like the simpsons....

you are an idiot for thinking the seahawks were somehow robbed in XL


When did I say the Seahawks were robbed in XL? That they should have won the game? Quit assuming I'm some Steeler hater just because I think they got lucky and that the game should have been a lot closer than it was. Play for play, I thought the Seahawks outplayed the Steelers that day, but the Steelers made three big game changing plays that ended up winning it for them. Damn me to hell for thinking that, apparently.

[CoolieMan]

the Steelers made more than 3 big plays....

[Sean]

This has been rehashed over and over again I'm sure, but you're not going to tell me that after the SB you didn't feel just a little weird and underwhelmed by how that game played out. And I'm a complete diehard. Ben looked horrible and played scared, and the whole team looked completely overwhelmed by the situation. Yet they still won going away.

Okay, let me just say that every call that could have went for the Steelers and against the Seahawks did, I'm sorry, but that's just how it went. The Steelers got all of the breaks in that game. 9 times out of 10 a small pushoff like that doesn't get called, and the penalty against Hasselbeck on the INT when he simply tackled the ball carrier was completely dumb. The others have been discussed many times over as well, all borderline stuff, and all of it went the Steelers way. Usually, that doesn't happen, and in that way they were pretty lucky. And that's why arguably the biggest story post SB was how the game was officiated.

Now, that didn't allow them to win the game, nor did it stop the Seahawks from winning it, but it was a weird game, and I don't think the Steelers were 11 points better than the Seahawks that day. If you believe that then you were watching a different game than me. That doesn't take away from the SB win, it was well earned, but I still don't see how anyone can not at least mention that the Steelers were lucky to have all those calls go their way.

A few opposing points:

1) The ONLY bullshit call that game was when Matt Hasselbeck was flagged for attempting to tackle Ike Taylor. Otherwise, and as you already stated, every call has been digested ad nausem on this board...and, after every rehashing of the topic, I still feel pretty damn good about the win.

If it makes you feel better, go ahead and bring up every "questionable" call for the people of this website. I'm positive that Diamond Dave still has all the visual evidence needed to silence your calls of shenanigans.

2) I think the biggest story of the Super Bowl, regardless of when the story was written, was Jerome Bettis. Whether it was pre-, during, or post- it didn't matter. He was the discussion. There will be movies made and books written about it. Of course, there was debate whether the game was crooked or not on shows like PTI or whatever...but that's their job, to make drama in order to get people to tune-in.

I'm not at all embarrassed about how the Steelers won Super Bowl XXL. Actually, I'm quite the opposite. That day made me more proud than ever to be a Steeler fan.

[Bochamps]

The non-holding call didn't lose the game.

The chickenshit playcall on 3rd and 6 lost the game.

Call a fucking QB draw on 3rd and 6 with the season on the line. Especially when you have a franchise QB under center.

Still makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

[BermudaSteel]

...That was not the sole reason we lost, but certainly
played a part in it...
So hypothetically speaking, what would have happened IF JAX was stopped on 4 & 2??? Answer: Game over - Steelers win. The hold took place and they got in FG position to win the game. THE HOLDS TOOK PLACE. Period.
And you're a grown man who still loves the Simpsons apparently, that's awesome. I don't care what you think of my intelligence, the only thing you know about me is that I think the Steelers got lucky in the SB, and that the game should've been a lot closer than it was. If that makes me an idiot then so be it.

I'm glad your views on FOOTBALL are just as screwy as your views on RELIGION...yes, I think your an IDIOT.

[FistfullofRings]

not sure how that makes it any better? as was stated earlier...the Giants had no chance in the Super Bowl either....the only way to win is to play the game....

How soon you forget last season. The Giants finished the regular season almost beating the Patriots who were playing for an undeafeated season. The Steelers limped into the playoffs no longer able to run the ball or stop the run. The Giants had a chance and proved as much, the Steelers had no chance. TRUTH.

[Balls&YourWord]

Well, I've said my peace on it, I knew I shouldn't have brought this up, but oh well. I still think the Steelers deserved to win that game, but I can't dismiss that they were fairly lucky on that day as well. I couldn't dismiss it after the game was over, and I'm not going to now.

[CoolieMan]

How soon you forget last season. The Giants finished the regular season almost beating the Patriots who were playing for an undeafeated season. The Steelers limped into the playoffs no longer able to run the ball or stop the run. The Giants had a chance and proved as much, the Steelers had no chance. TRUTH.

no I didn't forget last year....just saying you never know....the Steelers didn't have a chance to win, only because they were not in the game....not saying they would have beaten the pats...but not saying they had no chance either....

[Aries1247]

While the apology sucks ass now, had Ben & the ST & not played like complete ass, it would've never, ever had come down to that 4th & 2.

[Steeltime]

How soon you forget last season. The Giants finished the regular season almost beating the Patriots who were playing for an undeafeated season. The Steelers limped into the playoffs no longer able to run the ball or stop the run. The Giants had a chance and proved as much, the Steelers had no chance. TRUTH.

Then again, David Garrard torched the Patsies defense for 270 yards and 2 TD's one week after the Steelers exposed his inability to pass.

What would a real QB have done against that defense?

And the Jags were in the game until the 4th quarter. Played NE close.

The same Jags team that was pushed around by the Steelers the entire second half.

Yes, I remember the Steelers soiling themselves the first half and Ben repeatedly throwing to the wrong-colored jerseys. But he proved his mettle in the 4th quarter, and I would not be so dismissive of the Steelers chances against NE.

[Steeltime]

....not saying they would have beaten the pats...but not saying they had no chance either....

Steeltime concurs with this point.

Might be a tough task to beat NE in NE. But much, much tougher to win the game if you are not in it.

[markymarc]

Two months later and it finally comes out. It's in the past, but that non call still irritates me especially considering it was 4th down. All everybody wanted to talk about after that game was how great Garrard was on that run, but of course never mentioned how Harrison was blatantly held. At least the NFL is admitting it's mistake although anytime I see that highlight it stings deeply. It is kind of funny to see Harrison being drug down by his jersey and using his free hand to act like he was throwing a flag. The only good thing about the 2007 playoffs was seeing the Patriots go down.

[Vader]

It doesn't matter IF the Steelers could or could not beat the cheaters in cheaterville. They deserved the opportunity if they were held on that play. I think the pats* kill us because Smith was out on defense and Starks was out on offense, but they deserved the chance.

BTW I'm sure the playoff paycheck would have been nice for the organization and the players...

[mightyguru]

I see NoBallsAllMouth omitted the play in which Ben threw an int that was returned down the sideline 70 some yards. Ben gave chase and was flagrantly fouled on that play...no call.

[crimsonsteel]

Coolie, I feel your spirit man. If this had come out the week after the loss my post might've been different. Looking back, we were one of the more wounded teams in the dance. No Willie, no Aaron Smith, no Marvel, no Starks, no Center ( although we won 10 games despite this ), is what makes me think we had no chance. You're right though, we did deserve the chance. I must admit that if we were gonna lose, I'd rather it be like we did than to lose to that classless bunch in beantown.

[Southern Steeler]

So the fact that Mike Pereira got on NFL Total Access and confirmed that every "questionable" call (with the exception of the PF on Hasselbeck) was, in fact correct means absolutely nothing?

eh......it was still hilarious watching Rich Eisen almost cry on national television.

[Vader]

So the fact that Mike Pereira got on NFL Total Access and confirmed that every "questionable" call (with the exception of the PF on Hasselbeck) was, in fact correct means absolutely nothing?

eh......it was still hilarious watching Rich Eisen almost cry on national television.

The only reason they were even "questionable" is because the seachickens cried like babies over CORRECT calls. There excuses were pitiful. I believe it was Eisen that said something like "But you can really call holding on every play, why did they call it there?" DUH because the OL clearly tackled the defensive player dufus.

BTW just think if those calls HADN'T been made how upset would we be that the seachickens got away with a push off and a clear holding call that cost us 14 points?

[BAS]

Did you live in a cave back then? Did you not remember how that was arguably the biggest story coming out of the SB, or how damn near every sports writer in America was calling for full time officials based on how the SB went down? Quit kidding yourself... if you polled the country right now, they'd still say the Steelers were lucky to get all those breaks to go there way. That's just how it is. They won the game and it was well earned, the Steelers made more big, game changing plays than the Seahawks, but they weren't 11 points better than the Seahawks, sorry.

You're living in denial if you believe that Holmgren's meltdown after Ben's TD didn't totally unravel the rest of the game for the Seahawks.

Well after the play, after the Seahawks had squandered what was left of the 1st half, Holmgren was bitching about the TD on the way to the locker room, rather than coming up with a plan to move forward. He couldn't put that play past him, and therefore, cost the team the game.

Period.

The Steelers were able to put things behind them the entire playoffs that season. Sure their QB didn't play lights out in the SB, but he got them there with his stellar performance in the games leading up to it.

[SteelrzGirl]

Well they can add it to the gajillion other apologies.

[Southern Steeler]

Stop making sense Bruce! Dammit!

[Aries1247]

You're living in denial if you believe that Holmgren's meltdown after Ben's TD didn't totally unravel the rest of the game for the Seahawks.

Well after the play, after the Seahawks had squandered what was left of the 1st half, Holmgren was bitching about the TD on the way to the locker room, rather than coming up with a plan to move forward. He couldn't put that play past him, and therefore, cost the team the game.

Period.

The Steelers were able to put things behind them the entire playoffs that season. Sure their QB didn't play lights out in the SB, but he got them there with his stellar performance in the games leading up to it.

Bingo.

Earlier this season when the Steeler played the Seahgs, the Steelers were called 3 times (THREE) times ON THE SAME DRIVE for holding calls. 3 holding calls costing them a total of 30 yards. You know what happened? They STILL scored. I don't want to hear about the fucking refs giving ANYONE a game, if your team is worth a shit, it overcomes penalties. Seattle & Homogren aren't worth a shit. & don't even get me started on Troy's 'overturned' pick against the Colts.

[crimsonsteel]

Bingo.

Earlier this season when the Steeler played the Seahgs, the Steelers were called 3 times (THREE) times ON THE SAME DRIVE for holding calls. 3 holding calls costing them a total of 30 yards. You know what happened? They STILL scored. I don't want to hear about the ing refs giving ANYONE a game, if your team is worth a , it overcomes penalties. Seattle & Homogren aren't worth a . & don't even get me started on Troy's 'overturned' pick against the Colts.

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[Big Fella]

While the apology sucks ass now, had Ben & the ST & not played like complete ass, it would've never, ever had come down to that 4th & 2.

I remember Ben making up for his poor play only to fall victim to a called QB run. UGH.

[1st & 10]

[QUOTE=BermudaSteel;114846]So hypothetically speaking, what would have happened IF JAX was stopped on 4 & 2??? Answer: Game over - Steelers win. The hold took place and they got in FG position to win the game. THE HOLDS TOOK PLACE. Period.

HOLDING SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED,THE NON CALLS AFFECTED THE GAME.
There were other plays in the game that affected the outcome as well. Including
the missed 2 pt conversions and the coach's decision to not allow Ben
to throw the ball on our final offensive series.

[SteelerJen]

The thing that bugs me is all the no-nothings listen to the no-nothings on ESPN and NFL Network complaining about the calls in XL, but nobody hears when the head of officiating explains that each call (other than the one on Hasselhoff) was the correct call. So it continues that the general public thinks it was a tainted win because Madden (known Steeler hater) said so.
And I personally think if Ben hadn't thrown that int and we had scored there, the game would have been a blow out. We were easily moving the ball down the field and the D was awakened. That int still ticks me off!

[Slaine]

Dammit...

I wish I was good at embedding. Maybe somebody will step up and help a brother out.

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[bradentonfan]

The thing that bugs me is all the no-nothings listen to the no-nothings on ESPN and NFL Network complaining about the calls in XL, but nobody hears when the head of officiating explains that each call (other than the one on Hasselhoff) was the correct call. So it continues that the general public thinks it was a tainted win because Madden (known Steeler hater) said so.
And I personally think if Ben hadn't thrown that int and we had scored there, the game would have been a blow out. We were easily moving the ball down the field and the D was awakened. That int still ticks me off!

the call in question about hasselbeck, had been called against us earlier that season.... on Hartings in one of the Colt games.... so the penalty on Hasselbeck was no suprise to me and consistant with the earlier call on us (Hartings)... still think its a bullshit rule, but the calls were consistant.

[Jer]

Did you live in a cave back then? Did you not remember how that was arguably the biggest story coming out of the SB, or how damn near every sports writer in America was calling for full time officials based on how the SB went down? Quit kidding yourself... if you polled the country right now, they'd still say the Steelers were lucky to get all those breaks to go there way. That's just how it is. They won the game and it was well earned, the Steelers made more big, game changing plays than the Seahawks, but they weren't 11 points better than the Seahawks, sorry.

You're problem is that you believe all the hype. You've been spoon fed your shitty opinion on a silver spoon. The fouls were made, the calls were made, Mike Perierra stated they were all good calls afterwards (except one).

The Steelers were 11 points better....the scoreboard says otherwise. Chump.

[Dixon Hand]

You have to wonder why the head of referee's hasn't come out yet and tell us if the ball hit Tatem first?

[VaSteelerFan]

The Refs called SB XL tight... they way games should be called. The rules states no pushing off - you don't push off. You are basically saying that the Seahags should be able to break NFL rules in order to catch the ball, protect their QB, etc. Makes sense to me moron.

[Steelr4evr]

Yeah well fuck you very much NFL....why don'y you try calling the gesm right in the first place and not putting your whistles away when it matters most.... I can hear crickets chirping down in Hawaii. I wonder if Walsh has him a new Porsche yet?...crooks.

[bigtwnvin]

Steelers getting jobbed by the refs? Yawn. I thought that was a given.

[bfox20]

This is pathetic that they are admitting to it now it doesn't change anything but make fans think about what they already knew that Polamalu was held on the play that gave David Garrard a first down and a winning field goal.

[bfox20]

The Refs called SB XL tight... they way games should be called. The rules states no pushing off - you don't push off. You are basically saying that the Seahags should be able to break NFL rules in order to catch the ball, protect their QB, etc. Makes sense to me moron.
I think of Dan Patrick who use to be on ESPN calling for the 19 and O t-shirts,LMAO!:D Your avator is hilarious.

[bradentonfan]

maybe this dildo arguing for the seafags in the sick fuck that spit on the dude and his kid's burger in Wash.
somebody should call that county's sheriff and get his computer privilages taken away.

[pete]

Well, I've said my peace on it, I knew I shouldn't have brought this up, but oh well. I still think the Steelers deserved to win that game, but I can't dismiss that they were fairly lucky on that day as well. I couldn't dismiss it after the game was over, and I'm not going to now.

Translation: It's hard to argue against facts so I'm going to stop now before I really look like an asshole.

[bradentonfan]

Translation: It's hard to argue against facts so I'm going to stop now before I really look like an asshole.

taking into account that the Steelers are more often than not the getting fucked over, I guess you can say we were kind of lucky to get a game called fairly and according to the rules

[Hiwa Kaoru]

Whippie. . . it's all good and well, but maybe they need to get FULLTIME REFEREES. . .
They should then teach the refs to learn the friggin' rules!!! :mad:

[Hines57]

We probably would have been stomped by Lord Brady the following week had we won......

[Achie D]

I would prefer to leave 2007 to the ages. We all saw the game. I wouldn't have wanted to lose to the cheats the following week.

[Hiwa Kaoru]

Actually, I think we or the Colts coulda taken them down. . .
still, we were beat up in the worst way, not sure it would've been worth the torment.

Oh well, here is to the '08 campaign :)

[BillvinCowbert]

We probably would have been stomped by Lord Brady the following week had we won......

Yep......other than the Steelers winning the Super Bowl (which I don't believe would have happened), there couldn't have possibly been a better outcome to the 2007 season than what actually occurred. If our loss contributed to that perfect storm, fine by me.