Bengals turn down 2/#1's for CJ

[Pittsburgh-Pride]

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?

Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first round draft picks, team and league sources said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

[Aries1247]

They don't call 'em the Bungles for nothing.

[t-bone]

stupid is as stupid does.

[TX Steel]

Do they really value CJ that much? Especially after his comments about the team? With TJ on that roster I would pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat.

Smells of dumbassery to me...

[greatness74]

The Bungles need to JUMP on that offer, after all Ocho Cinco doesn't want to play in Cinci (not that I blame him). He will most likely become a distraction and the last thing that team needs is another distraction. 2 first rounders for a player turning 30 is a great deal and I would except that in a heart beat, plus the raiders only got a 4th rounder for Randy Moss. I just don't see how not excepting this trade helps the Bungles at all. And thats why for years they have lived in the cellar of our division: STUPID MANAGEMENT!

[Max Power]

Two number 1's for that a-hole? I hope Cincy crashes and burns. Some one tries to bail them out of a bad situation and they balk?

Oh well. So much for Ranel El huh? Washington must really be tired of that experiement.

[Irv24]

That will teach him Cincy. Screw your future. Chad must be taught a lesson.

[Steelerman]

Hell, I'd take one 1st rounder for CJ let alone two. What a gift. You almost have to wonder if the Bengals management wants this team to suck.

[stevew]

I'd much rather have him than draft a WR in the first round. I dunno if i'd give up 2-#1's though.

I bet the Bengals want him to pay back some bonus money before he can leave town.

[Irv24]

Hell, I'd take one 1st rounder for CJ let alone two. What a gift. You almost have to wonder if the Bengals management wants this team to suck.

You can stop wondering.

[CoSteelrgrl]

Perhaps Cincy knows the contingency that converts a 3rd rounder to a 1st rounder isn't gonna happen based on Washington's track record.

[TX Steel]

Here's pics of the Bengals' front office execs, taken straight from their official press guide:

http://image.vmixcore.com/85/285/25/4719080/104/85/47/3a0c0953e74086074c2d5536f12911ee.jpg
http://www.thrillingdetective.com/images2/riptide.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/football/nfl/players/1073.jpg
http://www.puppiesandflowers.com/blogimages/august07/missCarolina.jpg
(yes, both of them)

[FistfullofRings]

Daniel Snyder continues to have no faith building a team through the draft and the Bungles continue be the Bungels... some things never change.

[Iron Maiden]

According to the article, both Philly and Dallas also made offers.

[K from Cal]

Guess they didn't take the distraction aspect into the decision.

[rossi]

That tells you 2 things about the Redskins. First they need a WR and a tall one would be their choice. Secondly they don't believe a WR in this draft is worth their 21st pick. I see them going WR in the 2nd.
Cincy is in trouble as usual.

[BermudaSteel]

That tells you 2 things about the Redskins. First they need a WR and a tall one would be their choice. Secondly they don't believe a WR in this draft is worth their 21st pick. I see them going WR in the 2nd.
Cincy is in trouble as usual.

I'll concur...and yes, "Jenny, stupid is...as stupid does".

[Steel Conviction]

Washington is stupid for making the offer. The Bengals are more stupid for not taking it.

[LeXX75]

I really can't decide who the dumb one is here............Cinn or Wash......

[mightyguru]

Stupid bungles. How can you turn down a deal like that? Oh yeah...par for the course.

[Spike]

BENGALS NOT BUDGING


Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports what we’ve been hearing for weeks — the Cincinnati Bengals will not trade receiver Chad Johnson.

“No matter the offer,” Schefter says. “No matter the circumstances. No deal.”

Last week, Johnson said that he wants to be traded before the draft. Or after it.
He won’t be. Before, during, or after.

The Bengals are proving a point here. Operating under a CBA that no longer permits them to use or enforce the “loyalty clause,” Johnson’s gross display of disloyalty means that the team will stick it to him whenever and wherever it can.

[Doc]

seemingly 100's of arrest and bad behavior and THIS is where they draw the line??

only the bungles.

[markymarc]

Only in Bungleland. Shaping up to be another fun year for the Bungles.

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

The Bungles are a bunch of jacka$$es. The only cool thing I can ever think back on about Cincy was that old show..."WKRP in Cincinnati." Anybody remember that.

[Spike]

Flashback

April 17, 1999: AKILI SMITH - Drafted third overall after Bengals president Mike Brown turns down the Saints' offer of eight-to-nine draft picks to trade up with the Bengals.

[Andymisiu]

Screw principles!!!!! trade his ass and start a-new!! he doesn't want to play for you!!!! why force him too? chemistry is number one when building a champion!! idiots!!!!1

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

Didn't he say last month that he would quit the NFL if he had to stay on the Bengals roster? What a bunch of dumba$$es.

[LetMePlay]

This would be the same thing as the Cowboys not making the Hershel Waker trade.

CJ is not the #1 on his own team and they are turning down 1st round picks?

[GoSteelers]

Daniel Snyder continues to have no faith building a team through the draft and the Bungles continue be the Bungels... some things never change.



yep, this is snyders' operation of a once proud franchise. he has always wanted to hire vets that were good 10 years ago and on their way down, hoping for some miracle they all have one last season left, all at once and he can win HIS SB. he'll never learn!

and for the bungles to turn that offer down? there is no way to make sense in it. are they trying to teach chad a lesson?."we may suck, but we will make sure you suck on OUR team, also!"

[LetMePlay]

I decided that it would be AWESOME for Chad to sit out the whole year.

[Superman]

Can they even trade him with the enormous cap hit they'd have to take?

[t-bone]

Can they even trade him with the enormous cap hit they'd have to take?


that's the big thorn, Zippy.


looks like the best thing they can hope for is for him to sit out.

[LetMePlay]

Can they even trade him with the enormous cap hit they'd have to take?

Yes. Re-negotiate the signing bonus into non-locked (salary) money and then trade. Only the bonus accelerates so if you put it back as salary then the massive cap hit goes away. Once the trade is done you have to redo the deal with the new team to get the locked money back.

I made that up but it sounds good.

[pete]

If the biggest problem we have with Santonio Holmes is him taking pictures naked, then I'll be happy.

[Spike]

for Beaker

Insead of burning your Chad Johnson jerseys and emitting toxic gases into the stratosphere, simply send it to Ocho Cinco's house at the address below and let him deal with it.

http://www.sendyourjerseybacktochad.com/

[Hines57]

LMAO. They've turned heel on 85

[FAB802]

Maybe the Bungle fans can go throw trash on his lawn.

[jacklambert5858]

Washington is really hurting at WR so I wasn't surprised about them trading for Johnson. Im just shocked Cincy didn't take the trade. Cincy has no defense and an extra pick in a deep draft would do wonders in helping fix it. Johnson is going to be a disruption to the team and if your going to have someone who is that talented, become that big a cancer, then you need to get what you can out of him in a trade. Bad decision by Lewis and Co in not trading him to the Redskins because that is likely the best they will ever get for him.

[FistfullofRings]

That tells you 2 things about the Redskins. First they need a WR and a tall one would be their choice. Secondly they don't believe a WR in this draft is worth their 21st pick.

I don't think it has anything to do with what they think about WR in this year's draft.

I think it hase everything to do with Daniel Snyder saying "Oooh, oooh!!! I had Chad Johnson in Fantasy Football a couple of years ago and boy did he score me a lot of points! Trade for him! Trade for him!!!" Like a spoiled 3 year-old in a toy store...

[FistfullofRings]

yep, this is snyders' operation of a once proud franchise. he has always wanted to hire vets that were good 10 years ago and on their way down, hoping for some miracle they all have one last season left, all at once and he can win HIS SB. he'll never learn!

I think Snyders problem is he grew up a fan of a Redskins team that were able to build Super Bowl Champions by acquiring veteran players from other teams. He has failed terribly trying to do the same.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

This is turning out to be quite a nice day. Bungles doing business as usual. Ocho Stinko being the cancer that he is. Nothing would please me more than for the Ben-Gals to keep this fucker on the roster causing discontent in the clubhouse.

[Aries1247]

Here's pics of the Bengals' front office execs, taken straight from their official press guide:
http://www.thrillingdetective.com/images2/riptide.jpg

That's actually an insult to the Riptide guys. They at least knew what they were doing.... they solved crimes & the nerdy guy was smart, shit even THEY would make that trade.... Chirstmas sakes, Forrest Gump would make that fucking trade, shit, Maxwell Smart would make that trade.

[thesteelcity]

Damn, wonder what Hines could fetch us?

[t-bone]

Damn, wonder what Hines could fetch us?

beers.....we'd get 'em quick, too.



what?

[jacklambert5858]

What I find unusual is that a team would want to even trade this late in the draft for a veteran player. Usually alot of teams will just wait and see what happens during the draft. Snyder is one of the few owners who likes dealing away picks for veterans this close to the draft. I guess the next question for the Bengals is how quick can Thurman show that he can fit right back in into the defense. If they aren't going to trade Johnson, I think they will have to go DL and LB with their first two picks because they are in pretty good shape everywhere else and they are going to have to get more production out of their pass rush if they hope to do anything this season.

[Wig]

Where you at 85?

[GoSteelers]

I think Snyders problem is he grew up a fan of a Redskins team that were able to build Super Bowl Champions by acquiring veteran players from other teams. He has failed terribly trying to do the same.


and he has been trying for what, 13 years now? he's a little kid with alot of money, trying to buy the best toys and he gets second hand stuff. he and leonsis are douchebags.

[Beaker]

for Beaker

Insead of burning your Chad Johnson jerseys and emitting toxic gases into the stratosphere, simply send it to Ocho Cinco's house at the address below and let him deal with it.

http://www.sendyourjerseybacktochad.com/

Ive never owned a chad jersey.

Can they even trade him with the enormous cap hit they'd have to take?

Supe is on target. First off, Marvin Lewis denied in his press confrence today that the Bengals even received that offer. He said Mortenson must have gotten bad info. So I dont know yet if they really did get the offer.

If we trade chad before June 1, his cap hit would be $8 mil. Now team that up with having to pay an additional 1st round pick. At #21 that would be somewhere in the $3 mil range this season. That means trading chad would result in an $11 mil cap hit this year.

I think they may trade him...but not for picks this year, and not until after June 1. Marvin even called his bluff in the press conference saying chad is a man of his word....if he says he will sit, then sit. (Basically calling his bluff). The soap opera continues.

[TDX27]

If this is true, they are truly the Bungles forever. I'd take two 1st's for him in a heartbeat.

[shufan.tsz]

For the Bengals not to take that offer is expected from them. Of course they'd rather have a player that has already said he won't play for their team, than two first round draft picks. Washington really doesn't get it either. Makes me very grateful for our FO. I hope the Bengals get stuck with Chad, and suddenly it will hit them that they won't be getting anything out of him.

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

Supe is on target. First off, Marvin Lewis denied in his press confrence today that the Bengals even received that offer. He said Mortenson must have gotten bad info. So I dont know yet if they really did get the offer.


Was watching ESPN during lunch and Mort came back on and said Lewis called him back and did confirm they had received an offer. Said it was a mis-communication.

[Beaker]

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Was watching ESPN during lunch and Mort came back on and said Lewis called him back and did confirm they had received an offer. Said it was a mis-communication.

There ya go then. But Im pretty sure the steep cap hit is whats preventing the deal. That and Mike Brown doesnt want to lewt chad get his way...to the detriment of the team.

[Stlrs4Life]

Wow, that's pretty dumb. You would think it would be a no brainer to make that trade.

[FAB802]

Two first round picks at the end of the round aren't that great. This year the dropoff after the top ten is pretty big. If they were to get at least one proven veteran starter and a one then maybe. The end of the first round is going to be a crapshoot this year for sure. Plus if you start a precedent that you can whine and get a trade they are setting themselves up for a lot more of the same. What a shame they're in this situation.

[DerbyCityBNGfan]

Two number 1's for that a-hole? I hope Cincy crashes and burns. Some one tries to bail them out of a bad situation and they balk?

Oh well. So much for Ranel El huh? Washington must really be tired of that experiement.





Everybody chill. They turned it down today. That doesn't mean they don't accept it on Saturday. Don't expose yourself this early in the draft. Bait the deal and get a steal pick in one fatal swoop, possibly damaging the hopes of direct competition. This may prove to be a shrewd move by Mike Brown's club.....no, they are a bunch of f*$@ing idiots down there, so i really doubt it! HAHAHAHAH!!!!!


As for El, I have always said i don't think his days with the Steelers are done...I don't think Washington would let him go based on getting Ocho Stinko, they would keep him for slot and special teams. But his days would be numbered. I'm thinking he comes back to the Steelers at vet min for the twilight of his career down the road.

[Ike Kelly]

The majority of the NFL owners/front offices are probably applauding Cincy's action right now more than anything else. This is a posturing move by Cincy. What everyone forgets is Chad's agent is Drew Rosenhaus. What Chad has been doing is the same tactic DR did with his other high profile players, TO (out of Philly), McGahee (out of Buffalo). Whine, complain, demand trade with a signed contract so as to go to another team and get a bigger contract. I am sorta glad Cincy is telling Ocho and DR to #$$&#& off and if Chad doesn't want to play football, then don't. You won't get paid either.

Half of the NFL teams regard DR with caution and I wouldn't be surprised if this keeps up with other players he gets slammed from the NFLPA agent certification. This trend he has done for his high profile players are hurting what the fans view of the players are.

[kurtistb]

I may be in minority but I applaud what they are doing. What Stinko is doing is utterly ridiculous and is fast becoming a trend among disgruntled athletes. Personally I hope he gets retired Barry Sanders style and never plays again. Rosenhaus thinks he runs the NFL and having his whiney ass clients pulling tricks like this just fuels the fire.

Eventually the Bengals will have to fold because the offer will be too great and the fan backlash too brutal, but every second that gold toothed pussy has to stew earns a bit more respect in my book. The truth is this type of stand needs to happen I'm just glad we aren't the team in the position to make it.

[Booted]

Maybe to Bungle F.O. Is not happy with Chad and feel the most severe punishment they can hand down to him is to keep him playing with the Bungles.

[oneforthebus]

LOL, CJ is to the Bungles what TO was to the Eagles....

Can't wait to see he and Palmer screaming at each other on the sidelines this season...

[smithessmokin]

they wont get rid of the guy who is the face of their franchise. and, he is to valuable to lose.

[Southern Steeler]

How is he valuable when he's at home pouting? Or worse yet, in the locker room pouting?

While I agree that they are taking an admirable stance with what they are doing.....first round picks are like gold in the NFL. To be offered two for a WR is difficult to turn down, IMO.

Keep in mind, Randy Moss got traded for a 4th round pick.

[FAB802]

IF it were two #1's it would be tough to turn down. I would rather have a one and a starting player. Randy Moss hadn't produced in three years when he was dealt. Ocho Suckass has been productive and both are worthless in the locker room.

[oneforthebus]

they wont get rid of the guy who is the face of their franchise. and, he is to valuable to lose.

I don't care how good he is, when you have a loose cannon like that who publicly doesn't want to be there, nothing good will come of it. They'll either get rid of him now or get rid of him later. They are being incredibly stupid not to pull off the bandaid now.

[Coryea]

Dumbasses, you have a locker room cancer who has pretty much blasted the team, his head coach, and told his QB to mind his own business. Then you get a golden chance to trade him for a couple first round picks and you decline to do it. That's why you have been the laughing stocks of the NFL for the better part of 15 season.