Starks, Colon And Others.......

[BLITZ 43]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08113/875393-66.stm

I don't know if this has been posted and I know the Starks shit is old but the bottom is what got my attention. The part about Colon spending some time at guard, we have all talked about it but this is the first time I have read anything from the coaches saying this was going to happen. Now does this mean tackle is more of a need in the draft and is this why Colbert was in a panice with Starks? Thoughts.........

[CornerBlitz]

It looks like more of the same old same old, a bunch of average to below average linemen playing musical chairs along the OLine .

[Aries1247]

The only thing Colon should be guarding is a fucking warehouse.

[deljzc]

When I read that article, I am amazed at how idiotic people are. Max Starks got a 35 on the wonderlic and supposedly pays an agent pretty decent money, yet he didn't know how the transition tag worked? Are you kidding me?

And I agree the musical chairs along the O-line with average players is not the answer. I consistenty here the catch phrase "compitition at positions will help us". How? When you have one bad player competing with another bad player, you don't produce a good player! This front office and coach seem so happy we have Colon vs. Starks at RT. Hartwig vs. Mahan vs. Stephonson at C. Mahan vs. Colon vs. Kemoeatu at LG. Starks vs. Smith at LT.

That type of competition isn't a good thing. That's confusion and uncertainty.

This administration is turning into a joke. Instead of improving the talent at positions, they just think they fix it with competition and bodies. That's not going to get us anywhere.

[Spike]

Maybe Ben is right - he wants his WR first because he knows the line will suck no matter who we draft.

Sweed it is then.....put me down for the sexy pick.

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

The only thing Colon should be guarding is a ing warehouse.

He did decent at RT for being a Guard his ENTIRE football career..He is not built to be a tackle...he is 6'3 315....sounds like a guard to me...he did well...better than ing Marvel..who is garbage. Colon was always supposed to be a guard but due to our AMAZING Tackles he had to play RT. Him and Kemoeatu are going to do excellent at guard...just watch

[Andymisiu]

There's nothing wrong with guys getting a feel for every position along the line. It only helps your options when an injury happens.

[TMC]

Colon played RT at Hofstra, but was fully expect to move inside to guard. The thing is, he played well enough to beat out our starting RT (according to coaches). IF guard is his better position, then it would only make sense to move him.

I do know this, I was watching the Denver replay the other night and we had MORE issues on the left side of the line than we did on the right. In fact, on one play, Dumervil split Smith and Faneca, Lynch was blitzing off the right side and Colon could not slide fast enough to get to him, so he DOVE at Lynch and simply BLEW his ass up. He hit Lynch in the air and decleated him. When they interviewed Lynch, he said somebody else had to get there because I got blasted.

Honestly, after watching that game, I had renewed respect for Colon and lost some for Faneca/Smith. They let guys blow by them on several occasions. Hell, on a stunt, Smith handed Dumervil off to Faneca and switched to the looping DT, Faneca stood there and watched Dumervil run by.....like he was confused.

It was horrid.

Moving Colon to LG may not be a bad thing. I am sure he cannot do worse than Faneca did against the Broncos or Cardinals (Darnell Dockett ate Faneca alive).

[markymarc]

Hey I have no issue with Colon being a starting G as long as it doesn't mean Starks will be lining up at RT. IMO Starks is way better at LT and sucks at RT. Maybe Colon and Kemo will battle it out now for LG.

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

There's nothing wrong with guys getting a feel for every position along the line. It only helps your options when an injury happens.

True...I def agree with that

[BlkNGoldBlood10]

Colon played RT at Hofstra, but was fully expect to move inside to guard. The thing is, he played well enough to beat out our starting RT (according to coaches). IF guard is his better position, then it would only make sense to move him.

I do know this, I was watching the Denver replay the other night and we had MORE issues on the left side of the line than we did on the right. In fact, on one play, Dumervil split Smith and Faneca, Lynch was blitzing off the right side and Colon could not slide fast enough to get to him, so he DOVE at Lynch and simply BLEW his ass up. He hit Lynch in the air and decleated him. When they interviewed Lynch, he said somebody else had to get there because I got blasted.

Honestly, after watching that game, I had renewed respect for Colon and lost some for Faneca/Smith. They let guys blow by them on several occasions. Hell, on a stunt, Smith handed Dumervil off to Faneca and switched to the looping DT, Faneca stood there and watched Dumervil run by.....like he was confused.

It was horrid.

Moving Colon to LG may not be a bad thing. I am sure he cannot do worse than Faneca did against the Broncos or Cardinals (Darnell Dockett ate Faneca alive).


Its a sigh of relief to hear others stating that Faneca used to get blown up consistently...he is not the best guard in football and his weaknesses will be shown in NY. Good luck with him jets...Colon will be nice at G...he is stronger and quicker than Faneca and will continue to develop into a smarter guard...we will not and I repeat we WILL NOT miss Faneca.

[markymarc]

Colon played RT at Hofstra, but was fully expect to move inside to guard. The thing is, he played well enough to beat out our starting RT (according to coaches). IF guard is his better position, then it would only make sense to move him.

I do know this, I was watching the Denver replay the other night and we had MORE issues on the left side of the line than we did on the right. In fact, on one play, Dumervil split Smith and Faneca, Lynch was blitzing off the right side and Colon could not slide fast enough to get to him, so he DOVE at Lynch and simply BLEW his ass up. He hit Lynch in the air and decleated him. When they interviewed Lynch, he said somebody else had to get there because I got blasted.

Honestly, after watching that game, I had renewed respect for Colon and lost some for Faneca/Smith. They let guys blow by them on several occasions. Hell, on a stunt, Smith handed Dumervil off to Faneca and switched to the looping DT, Faneca stood there and watched Dumervil run by.....like he was confused.

It was horrid.

Moving Colon to LG may not be a bad thing. I am sure he cannot do worse than Faneca did against the Broncos or Cardinals (Darnell Dockett ate Faneca alive).

While others may disagree I still say at this point Colon is our best RT. I would have no issues with Colon starting at RT or G on the offensive line. While it will never happen, but could you imagine Kemo and Colon as our starting guards. Talk about blowing people up.

[Irv24]

Colon played RT at Hofstra, but was fully expect to move inside to guard. The thing is, he played well enough to beat out our starting RT (according to coaches). IF guard is his better position, then it would only make sense to move him.

I do know this, I was watching the Denver replay the other night and we had MORE issues on the left side of the line than we did on the right. In fact, on one play, Dumervil split Smith and Faneca, Lynch was blitzing off the right side and Colon could not slide fast enough to get to him, so he DOVE at Lynch and simply BLEW his ass up. He hit Lynch in the air and decleated him. When they interviewed Lynch, he said somebody else had to get there because I got blasted.

Honestly, after watching that game, I had renewed respect for Colon and lost some for Faneca/Smith. They let guys blow by them on several occasions. Hell, on a stunt, Smith handed Dumervil off to Faneca and switched to the looping DT, Faneca stood there and watched Dumervil run by.....like he was confused.

It was horrid.

Moving Colon to LG may not be a bad thing. I am sure he cannot do worse than Faneca did against the Broncos or Cardinals (Darnell Dockett ate Faneca alive).
Be careful now. Calling Faneca out for being anything less than perfect is frown upon around here.

for me watching the Steeler offensive line last year was insane.
It seemed like every week it was a different guy who decided to not show up.
the only constant was Mehan. He sucked week after week after week after week.

[markymarc]

Be careful now. Calling Faneca out for being anything less than perfect is frown upon around here.

for me watching the Steeler offensive line last year was insane.
It seemed like every week it was a different guy who decided to not show up.
the only constant was Mehan. He sucked week after week after week after week.

No question he was consistently..........bad every week.

[south dakota STEEL]

Its a sigh of relief to hear others stating that Faneca used to get blown up consistently...he is not the best guard in football and his weaknesses will be shown in NY. Good luck with him jets...Colon will be nice at G...he is stronger and quicker than Faneca and will continue to develop into a smarter guard...we will not and I repeat we WILL NOT miss Faneca.

I miss Faneca, already.

[TMC]

I really do not have a problem with Starks and the reason is simple.....we know EXACTLY what his limitations are. He struggles outside with speed, but at RT, you can keep a TE there to help or use a RB to chip. The thing is, he does not get driven back or drove inside and IMO, I can live with a guy that I can compensate for. The thing that kills you is inconsistency. When Colon was at RT, sometimes he would get caught out of position because he took a bad step, would miss an handoff, and things of that nature. Those are issues you do not have with Starks.

Now, while I think Colon will improve, I also think the calls are easier for a guard because of the limited space. You block the guy in your area and if he steps back, you look for the hand off because you know he is looping.

As a unit, we COULD be better with Smith, Colon, Hartwig, Simmons, and Starks than we were with Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, and Colon.

[Irv24]

As a unit, we COULD be better with Smith, Colon, Hartwig, Simmons, and Starks than we were with Smith, Faneca, Mahan, Simmons, and Colon.

I'm all for the elimination of Mahan.

[Far51]

if Mahan like gets blown in the LG competition it would be time to re do his deal, cause 2.9 vs the cap is a bit to steep for depth.

[TMC]

I do not know what this LG competition is, but if someone is getting blown, I am in.

[CLUTCH]

If you look at where the steelers draft position is in this years draft there is no way an o-line draft pick comes in and starts this year for the steelers barring injury.......something to think about

[greatness74]

Sean Mahan is worth every PENNY!...JK...LOL, he needs cut!

[RevBillyC]

IMHOP, Colon "beat out" Starks at RT because he showed a better work ethic & agressive attitude. Not that he was the better OT talent.

It would appear the coaches "message" came through, as Starks looked more active & in better shape when he played (pre-injury) late last season. He's probably the most intelligent of all their OT (except maybe for Hartwig). While I don't see pro bowls in his future, he might still turn out to be a decent starter.

The experience Colon gained last season should only help him in a transition to guard - he may ultimately beat out Kemo for the LG spot.

[whattf7]

If you look at where the steelers draft position is in this years draft there is no way an o-line draft pick comes in and starts this year for the steelers barring injury.......something to think about

I think Gosder or (miracle of miracles) Albert would get a chance to compete for the starting job at guard given the height of the pick and our coaches belief in competition.

[whattf7]

IMHOP, Colon "beat out" Starks at RT because he showed a better work ethic & agressive attitude. Not that he was the better OT talent.

It would appear the coaches "message" came through, as Starks looked more active & in better shape when he played (pre-injury) late last season. He's probably the most intelligent of all their OT (except maybe for Hartwig). While I don't see pro bowls in his future, he might still turn out to be a decent starter.

The experience Colon gained last season should only help him in a transition to guard - he may ultimately beat out Kemo for the LG spot.

I'm not ready to "crown" Hartwig yet but he does seem to have a little more ass and attitude than Mahan.

I'll go even further on the Colon and Starks idea and say that at the price the steelers are paying for Max hes going to start somewhere maybe guard;).Talk about protecting Bens blind side:eek:.

[fedderone]

If you look at where the steelers draft position is in this years draft there is no way an o-line draft pick comes in and starts this year for the steelers barring injury.......something to think about

I'll sign as an undrafted FA after the draft and start for our weak arse line.
Are you kidding, Clutch??!!

IF the Stillas select an O-Lineman at #23, Albert/Cherilus/Williams, they most DEFINITELY will start next year. Game one, pre-season game one, and for the season, barring injury.

The sooner our fan base realizes we have studs at the skill positions, Ben/Willie/Heath/Santonio/Hines, working miracles like they're Jesus/Moses/David/Mother Teresa IN SPITE OF a craptacular line, and what they could do with one second more protection or bigger holes, the better BA's offense will run.

Games are won on the lines.
Address the lines and watch the kind of production we get.

I suspect at this late hour that Cherilus will be our pick.
He WILL start at RT day one of camp and NEVER relinquish the spot!

"Mark it down.
CHAMPIONSHIP!"

[Steel Chooch]

Hell, on a stunt, Smith handed Dumervil off to Faneca and switched to the looping DT, Faneca stood there and watched Dumervil run by.....like he was confused.


We sucked on the left side when it counted last year. With Smith's back problems and Faneca's unhappy problems (Really, he's being overpaid by the Jet's, just like O'donell). If Marvell is healthy, Starks is a solid right tackle, we have plenty who can play guard, with a decent pickup for depth and perhaps challenge for a starting job at OT or C in the 2nd or 3rd rounds we'll be fine.

Maybe I'm just a dillusional optimist, but I tend to see the glass half full....I think with just a solid draft, nothing crazy, we are going to be just fine. We definitely need to improve the pass rush and be able to move the ball on the ground for the tought yards when they stack the box, which we haven't been able to do since Bettis' departure.

So there are so many variables in which way we go with who's available when it comes to out pick and the options we have. I hope we stick to what they are saying about the BPA is where we will go. If they stick with that we "WILL" have a good draft.

[smithessmokin]

Hey I have no issue with Colon being a starting G as long as it doesn't mean Starks will be lining up at RT. IMO Starks is way better at LT and sucks at RT. Maybe Colon and Kemo will battle it out now for LG.

a lot of this depends on who we draft within the next 24 hours.

[Iron95]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08113/875393-66.stm

I don't know if this has been posted and I know the Starks shit is old but the bottom is what got my attention. The part about Colon spending some time at guard, we have all talked about it but this is the first time I have read anything from the coaches saying this was going to happen. Now does this mean tackle is more of a need in the draft and is this why Colbert was in a panice with Starks? Thoughts.........


What is a panice?

[rossi]

Colon played RT at Hofstra, but was fully expect to move inside to guard. The thing is, he played well enough to beat out our starting RT (according to coaches). IF guard is his better position, then it would only make sense to move him.

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Moving Colon to LG may not be a bad thing. I am sure he cannot do worse than Faneca did against the Broncos or Cardinals (Darnell Dockett ate Faneca alive).

My nephew (my sisters son) was a teammate of Colon for a few years on that Hofstra team. I saw a bunch of games and Colon can play any position on the line but center. He played all over that line and yes at the end of his last season right tackle but he was quick enough to play the left side as well. He played a bunch of games at guard.
They used a 4 wr set the first few years he was there before the coaching change so he got to pass block often be it against the Delaware's of the world.
To bad MC was always injured or we might have grabbed him too.