Michigan Wolverine fans

[Parasite]

What are your thoughts on Justin Boren transferring to THE Ohio State University? I mean, this is absolutely unbelievable and historic.

[a1aparrot]

If it isn't Pitt, it's **it.

[Hines57]

Obviously he couldn't uphold the high standard at the University of Michigan and had to go to a lesser school for his edumucation....

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Perhaps his dream is to be blown out by an SEC team in a bowl game.

[a1aparrot]

Perhaps his dream is to be blown out by an SEC team in a bowl game.

Ain't that the truth.

[pete]

If you had a choice, would you want to be coached by Rich Rodriguez?

[a1aparrot]

If you had a choice, would you want to be coached by Rich Rodriguez?

I'm a Pitt grad and fan, and even I feel a bit of angst over what Rich did to WVU. Michigan will come to regret Rich.

[a1aparrot]

Funny thing. The wife and I were in Blowing Rock NC (one town over from where Appy State is) the day Appy beat Michigan. It was great to be there. The place was electrifying. You'd a thunk they'd a just won the Sugar Bowl. It was fun to be there,

[kssteelerfan]

If you had a choice, would you want to be coached by Rich Rodriguez?

Apparently Justin didn't. I read in a newspaper where Justin was saying that the"family friendly" environment was no longer there since Rich came to town.
I personally don't know the man as a coach or whatever but if Justin wants to use the coach as an excuse to leave I guess that's his decision. I guess we'll never really know the true story on this one.

[Parasite]

Perhaps his dream is to be blown out by an SEC team in a bowl game.


When's the last time Penn State even sniffed a national championship? You are dismissed from this thread.

[Parasite]

Ain't that the truth.



When's the last time Pitt even sniffed a national championship? You are dismissed from this thread.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

When's the last time Penn State even sniffed a national championship? You are dismissed from this thread.

2005 when they finished #3 and just 1 second from an undefeated season.. I'd say that counts as a sniff.

[Big Fella]

Interesting question Tape.

From what I understand the kid hated the workouts. I love Coach Carr. He felt that the players were students first and not professionals. Because of this, the "voluntary" workouts that many colleges run were truly voluntary under Carr. It is a nice ideal to hold to, but simply does not permit one to compete at an elite level in a major conference. Coach Rod has already changed that, saying, "the Summer workouts are voluntary, but so is playing time in the Fall." Boren was also good friends with fellow linemates Jeremey Ciulla and Alex Mitchell, neither of whom were known for their work ethic and both left the program as well.

I really don't care that he left. When Ryan Mallett was issued his out-right release he left quietly and went to Arkansas. If a kid doesn't want to be there, I don't want him there. Attrition is part of college football, particularly during regime changes.

The only thing that irks me about Boren was his parting shots. The guy was graciously granted an out-right release, no restrictions. He took that and ran to the media discussing the "erosion of of family values." Laughable statement at best.

During Spring practice Coach Rod gave out several awards to kids. Most improved, best student, things like that. There were also pictures floating around of kids being given cakes on their birthday. The kids are working hard, but no such erosion is evident IMO.

Justin was a legacy whose dad played linebacker in the early 80s. Some speculate when Les Miles was not offered the job, the Boren family soured on Michigan.

There is also a history of this with the Borens. Justin's little brother Zach transferred to Pickerington Central from Pickerington North in the middle of the season because the other team was better.

When Bo took over in 1969 the program endured attrition at high numbers. The mantra "Those Who Stay Will be Champions" took shape then and holds true today.

Not mad the kid left, he just should have kept his mouth shut. It's never good business to down talk your previous employer in a job interview, and he shouldn't have thrown Coach Rod under the bus after getting a release IMO.

[a1aparrot]

When's the last time Pitt even sniffed a national championship? You are dismissed from this thread.


Pfft. Dismissed. I'm Pitt through and through. Born, raised and even graduated. No cheap shots will make me a lesser PITT fan. BTW I was a student there in 1976. We more than sniffed. Who knows what the future brings?

[jacklambert5858]

I think its hilarious. I can't stand Rodriguez.

[Parasite]

2005 when they finished #3 and just 1 second from an undefeated season.. I'd say that counts as a sniff.



Oh, they were in the title game that year? Oh, they WEREN'T?! Next.

[Parasite]

Pfft. Dismissed. I'm Pitt through and through. Born, raised and even graduated. No cheap shots will make me a lesser PITT fan. BTW I was a student there in 1976. We more than sniffed. Who knows what the future brings?



That's nice. Next time you might not wanna talk shit about OSU though and their bowl games. You have no room to talk. kthanx


edit: i was a little uh harsh first time round

[Parasite]

Big Fella, can you explain Pat White's comments about RichRod then? What about Lloyd Carr basically giving his blessing for Boren to go to OSU and helping him get out of his scholarship? It is my opinion that RichRod is the flavor of the month and will be gone from Ann Arbor within 5 years. If he makes it that long.

[jacklambert5858]

Big Fella, can you explain Pat White's comments about RichRod then? What about Lloyd Carr basically giving his blessing for Boren to go to OSU and helping him get out of his scholarship? It is my opinion that RichRod is the flavor of the month and will be gone from Ann Arbor within 5 years. If he makes it that long.


Rodriguez is a traitor, another Bobby Petrino. I hope UM's football program collapses against superior talent such as Appy State once again.

[Big Fella]

Big Fella, can you explain Pat White's comments about RichRod then? What about Lloyd Carr basically giving his blessing for Boren to go to OSU and helping him get out of his scholarship? It is my opinion that RichRod is the flavor of the month and will be gone from Ann Arbor within 5 years. If he makes it that long.

http://blog.mlive.com/jim_carty/2008/04/carr_dispatch_report_not_true.html#post

I would tend to believe this article that says Lloyd did not steer or encourage Boren to go to Ohio State. And even if he did, I don't really have a problem with that. The school is improving academically, it's close to home. I have no problem with Boren leaving, his comments afterwards were off base though.

As far as Pat White's comments... I really couldn't care less. His strides under RR's watch were vast. He was not very highly thought of coming out of high school, and Rod was one of the few that saw him as a quarterback. That worked fairly well. Most of his players had great things to say about him when he left, including Schmitt, a kid I think the world of.

As far as your comments about being "the flavor of the month," what do you have to support that? My only concern about him coming in was that he was going to continue to recruit 2 and 3 star caliber athletes that fit his system. He's already signed more 4 and 5 star kids in his short stint at Michigan than he did in his entire tenure at WVU. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.

Strength and conditioning has improved drastically as well.

Mountaineers should stay out of this conversation. People change jobs all the time, "traitor" should not be discussed whether you are talking about Justin Boren, Rich Rodriguez, or anyone else trying to better their careers.

[SteelerScott]

Rodriguez is a traitor, another Bobby Petrino. I hope UM's football program collapses against superior talent such as Appy State once again.
One time, my brother left his job @ McDonalds to work @ BurgerKing b/c they offered him a higher wage and more hours.

He, like RR, is such a "traitor" for going to a better gig.:rolleyes:
Funny how that $hit works, huh?

I think those that really think RR will fail and be ousted in 5 yrs, are either bitter that he left Morgantown, or fearful that he'll actaully recruit well and put MICH back in the BCS Title hunt.

BTW, like Mallot, if this kid doesn't wanna be a Michigan-man, I don't want him there.

[Sir Rosis of the River]

When's the last time Penn State even sniffed a national championship? You are dismissed from this thread.

Is Penn State even going to score more than 10 points this year on Ohio State in the Shoe..lol. Since Penn State joined the Big 10 here are their point totals at Ohio State - 6, 7, 9, 6, 7, 10, 6.

[Parasite]

One time, my brother left his job @ McDonalds to work @ BurgerKing b/c they offered him a higher wage and more hours.

He, like RR, is such a "traitor" for going to a better gig.:rolleyes:
Funny how that $hit works, huh?

I think those that really think RR will fail and be ousted in 5 yrs, are either bitter that he left Morgantown, or fearful that he'll actaully recruit well and put MICH back in the BCS Title hunt.

BTW, like Mallot, if this kid doesn't wanna be a Michigan-man, I don't want him there.


I'm not fearful of him at all. I LOVED that he went to Michigan. I don't think he is a very good person, I think his character sucks, and I think his style of football is flavor of the month. And I also think that a lot of Michigan fans, including some of my friends, are basically just forcing themselves to look on the bright side. But trust me.....there are plenty of worries when it comes to him from Wolverines I know.

[SteelerScott]

Geesh, this thread has morphed into a Pentagon of Hatred; between MICH,OSU, PSU, PITT, WVU.

I'm not fearful of him at all. I LOVED that he went to Michigan. I don't think he is a very good person, I think his character sucks, and I think his style of football is flavor of the month. And I also think that a lot of Michigan fans, including some of my friends, are basically just forcing themselves to look on the bright side. But trust me.....there are plenty of worries when it comes to him from Wolverines I know.

That comment carries alotta weight when you're a fan of the prison-warden known as Jim Tressel.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Oh, they were in the title game that year? Oh, they WEREN'T?! Next.

OSU hasn't been IN a championship game in a long time

[DrunkinIrishman]

Michigan has always had pretty honest coaches. It is a shame to see them get a scum bag like RichRod.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Is Penn State even going to score more than 10 points this year on Ohio State in the Shoe..lol. Since Penn State joined the Big 10 here are their point totals at Ohio State - 6, 7, 9, 6, 7, 10, 6.

The games have generally been close and you guys know it.

OSU's best team with Heisman winner Troy Smith put up 14 points against PSU (Morelli provided another 14 via INT for TD). In OSU's championship year of 2002, they didn't even score an offensive TD against PSU. Penn State's best team put up 63 on OSU.

PSU's offense may be very good this year. It will all be about the QB. They'll probably use 2, a runner and a passer. Penn State will be harder to defend this year.

You guys should be concerned about Boeckman. His confidence looks a bit shaky. He forced things in the spring game. He may not react well when the fans start calling for Pryor.

[a1aparrot]

That's nice. Next time you might not wanna talk about OSU though and their bowl games. You have no room to talk. kthanx


edit: i was a little uh harsh first time round

Now wait a second. Not once did I trash OSU. I was talking UP my Alma Mater. Not once did I trash OSU. Learn to read!

[Sir Rosis of the River]

The games have generally been close and you guys know it.

OSU's best team with Heisman winner Troy Smith put up 14 points against PSU (Morelli provided another 14 via INT for TD). In OSU's championship year of 2002, they didn't even score an offensive TD against PSU. Penn State's best team put up 63 on OSU.

PSU's offense may be very good this year. It will all be about the QB. They'll probably use 2, a runner and a passer. Penn State will be harder to defend this year.

You guys should be concerned about Boeckman. His confidence looks a bit shaky. He forced things in the spring game. He may not react well when the fans start calling for Pryor.

I don't think anybody should be concerned with a 6th year senior QB who was all-Big Ten last season. Nobody should really base much off of an Ohio State spring game. If he hasn't shown any improvement early in the season then I will be concerned.

Has Penn State program dropped that far that are you taking these as some kind of moral victories by playing Ohio State close a couple times? Basically half of Ohio State's games were within one score in 2002. The 2002 team played with a 70%-30% run-pass ratio and was very conservative. Penn State has scored 3 offensive touchdowns against Ohio State in the Shoe since they joined the Big Ten (and one of those was with Ohio State up 38-0).

[Sir Rosis of the River]

Geesh, this thread has morphed into a Pentagon of Hatred; between MICH,OSU, PSU, PITT, WVU.



That comment carries alotta weight when you're a fan of the prison-warden known as Jim Tressel.

Check the arrests the last few years. Ohio State has had very few.

[Parasite]

OSU hasn't been IN a championship game in a long time



They've been in 3 since 2002. But yeah, I know you were being funny.

[Parasite]

Now wait a second. Not once did I trash OSU. I was talking UP my Alma Mater. Not once did I trash OSU. Learn to read!



What was this post referring to then?
http://www.steelernation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=138181&postcount=5


And "I" need to learn how to read?

[a1aparrot]

What was this post referring to then?
http://www.steelernation.com/forums/showpost.php?p=138181&postcount=5


And "I" need to learn how to read?

That was hardly disparaging to OSU. If that offended you'll go need to rent an alligator suit so you'll have thicker skin!

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don't think anybody should be concerned with a 6th year senior QB who was all-Big Ten last season. Nobody should really base much off of an Ohio State spring game. If he hasn't shown any improvement early in the season then I will be concerned.

Has Penn State program dropped that far that are you taking these as some kind of moral victories by playing Ohio State close a couple times? Basically half of Ohio State's games were within one score in 2002. The 2002 team played with a 70%-30% run-pass ratio and was very conservative. Penn State has scored 3 offensive touchdowns against Ohio State in the Shoe since they joined the Big Ten (and one of those was with Ohio State up 38-0).

It's not about moral victories. It's about assessing where PSU stands in the Big Ten. They can play with anyone. Penn State has been on the losing end against MIch and OSU, but the games have been close. Many of those games could have and should have been wins. Lots of PSU fans only look at the wins and losses and think OSU and Mich are out of PSU's league, but that's not true.

That's why nobody is giving PSU a chance to win the Big Ten this year, when in reality, they have a great chance if one of the QBs plays well. National perception will give OSU an easy Big Ten title, just as it will make OSU a HUGE underdog if they happen to face an SEC team in a bowl this year. The reality is PEnn State has the talent to beat OSU this year, and past games will mean nothing when the game starts. Just like OSU's past beatdowns will mean nothing if they play another SEC team this year.