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mesaSteeler
04-27-2008, 01:13 AM
aturday, April 26, 2008

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3369696&type=story
Chiefs' Day 1 plan comes together with Dorsey, others
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Franchises spend millions in scouting, and the first two rounds of the draft are critical to their success or failure. When you designate draft losers, you are really pointing to teams for which things didn't go exactly right. It could be a trade that falls through or one that doesn't net the desired results.

The winners are evident. They get breaks. The right player falls in the right place.

This year's draft is shaping up to be a boon for running offenses. No wide receivers and only one tight end went in the first round. Six running backs and eight tackles dominated the first two rounds.

Obviously, quarterbacks Chad Henne and Brian Brohm were losers because they didn't go in the first round. Wide receivers were losers because none went in the first round. The fans were winners, though. The 10-minute window between first-round picks and the seven-minute second-round gap made for a more entertaining first day.

Winners

1. Kansas City Chiefs: The plan was to find a pass-rusher to replace Jared Allen, who was traded to the Minnesota Vikings. The Chiefs made out even better, getting perhaps the best defensive player in the draft, LSU's Glenn Dorsey, at No. 5. Some feel Dorsey might be the best defensive player to come around in years. Now he's the anchor of Kansas City's improving defense. The Chiefs also were able to get the offensive lineman of their choice in Virginia's Branden Albert, and they got a good break toward the top of the second round when CB Brandon Flowers fell to them. For a team hoping to find five or six starters out of this draft, Day 1 was a bonanza.

2. Miami Dolphins: Give Bill Parcells some credit. He was patient and made great decisions. First, he signed OT Jake Long to a five-year contract. The left tackle who will anchor the line will be at every minicamp and every day of training camp. In the second round, Parcells got 276-pound defensive end Phillip Merling. Parcells likes big bodies on defense, and Merling fits the job requirements. The bonus was getting Michigan's Henne with the 57th pick. The fact that Miami didn't take Henne at the top of the second round was a vote of confidence for John Beck. Parcells got the best of both worlds, because Henne can push Beck and veteran Josh McCown.

3. Baltimore Ravens: If you believe in Joe Flacco, the Ravens are winners. If you don't, well, they go in a different category. Steve McNair's retirement blindsided the Ravens, so they had to get a quarterback in the first two rounds. They feverishly tried to trade up for Matt Ryan, but he went to the Atlanta Falcons at No. 3. To get Flacco, the Ravens traded back with Jacksonville from No. 8 and then traded up with Houston to No. 18. Most people thought Henne was the Ravens' No. 2 quarterback option because general manager Ozzie Newsome doesn't draft small-college players (Flacco is only the second small-college player taken by Newsome in the first day of a draft). Flacco has a great arm, and the Ravens are a solid organization. They won't rush him onto the field.

4. Pittsburgh Steelers: You've got to be kidding me. Ben Roethlisberger wanted a big receiver and he got Limas Sweed in the second round. Running back Rashard Mendenhall was a steal at No. 23, and combined with Willie Parker, the Steelers should have a dynamite one-two punch in the backfield. The Steelers play the toughest schedule in football this year, and after decades of focusing on defense, they stocked up with some great offensive weapons this year. Roethlisberger now has Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Nate Washington and Sweed at receiver, and the talented Heath Miller at tight end.

5. Dallas Cowboys: The Cowboys wanted a running back and a cornerback at the top of the draft. They ended up getting more than that. Felix Jones is a perfect back to augment Marion Barber, a physical back who tends to wear down. Jones can be physical, but he's also a receiving threat out of the backfield. Cornerback Mike Jenkins was a bonus. Most teams expected Jenkins to go in the top 20, but the Cowboys were able to trade up to get him at No. 25. Now they have Terence Newman, Anthony Henry, Jenkins and Pacman Jones, if he's reinstated. A once-thin position is now deep.

Losers

1. Cincinnati Bengals: The Bengals did well under the circumstances, but they didn't get the defensive tackle (Sedrick Ellis) they coveted. Cincinnati tried all offseason to get a defensive tackle, but trades for Shaun Rogers and Dewayne Robertson fell through, and Ellis went to the New Orleans Saints when they traded up to No. 9. Cincinnati got a break when the Patriots traded down and didn't take linebacker Keith Rivers, who was a great choice for the Bengals. But they needed a defensive tackle.

Round 2 was a scramble for a wide receiver, and the Bengals ended up with Coastal Carolina's Jerome Simpson, who wasn't the biggest name available.

2. Houston Texans: Things went horribly for the Texans, who wanted one of the top offensive linemen. Branden Albert or Chris Williams would have worked, but they were gone, so the Texans traded down. They might have been able to pull out cornerback Mike Jenkins, but he went to Dallas with the 25th pick. The Texans ended up with Virginia Tech offensive lineman Duane Brown, whom many thought was a second-rounder.

3. New England Patriots: Thanks to the 49ers' horrible 2007 season, the Patriots ended up with the seventh pick in the first round. They hated it. It was a horrible spot for the Patriots, a franchise that mastered the team concept.

The seventh pick probably would have received the third- or fourth-highest salary on the team, so it was evident the Patriots would trade down. They dumped the pick to the Saints and got moderate value. With the 10th pick, New England drafted Jerod Mayo, who probably would have fallen to the Redskins at No. 21. Mayo could end up being a Pro Bowler for the Patriots -- he's smart and can play inside or outside. But he's going to get a max contract worth around $4 million a year. At least the Patriots got out of the No. 7 spot, which would have cost them more than $7 million a season.

4. New York Giants: This may sound strange to list the Giants because they went 8-for-8 in the draft last year and got the player they wanted in the first round: safety Kenny Phillips. But they got greedy on a proposed Jeremy Shockey trade. Saints coach Sean Payton wanted to give them a second-round pick. The Giants wanted more, so there won't be a Shockey trade. The Giants had five second-round options at tight end, but they took cornerback Terrell Thomas. Sure, those tight end options wouldn't have been as good as Shockey, but he's clearly not a happy player. They should have made the trade.

5. Tennessee Titans: Running back Chris Johnson is lightning fast, but he's not Felix Jones or Rashard Mendenhall. The Titans got a bad break when Jones and Mendenhall went to the Cowboys and Steelers at No. 22 and No. 23, respectively. Most teams knew the Titans, who picked at No. 24, were leaning toward taking a running back.

Jones was their guy and they had to be tempted by Mendenhall.

John Clayton, a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame writers' wing, is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Parasite
04-27-2008, 01:17 AM
It's sad when somebody like John Clayton can see the value evident in Nate Washington while most of his teams "fans" cannot. You people suck. Well, most of you.

K from Cal
04-27-2008, 01:24 AM
You gotta love the Bungles on the Losers list

Stlrbum
04-27-2008, 01:26 AM
When is the last time the Steelers have been mentioned as winners on day 1 of the draft? All the talking heads on ESPN are saying they loved what the Steelers did.

Thorndike
04-27-2008, 01:29 AM
Doesn't matter. Miller and others have declared our draft a failure because...well...it doesn't make any sense. No matter...we suck!

JEFFRO
04-27-2008, 01:39 AM
The bengals bungled it again!

tapeANaspirin2it
04-27-2008, 02:02 AM
Here are a few thoughts i had while watching the draft. I'll start with the AFC North

Baltimore C
Joe Flacco - Big arm, and supposedly athletic. I've seen him compared to Ben in terms of athleticism but i don't see it. Flacco can move a bit, but i don't see him escaping to buy time like Ben does.
Bottom Line: He better be athletic because he'll be running for his life

Ray Rice - a good runner, but a bad pick. The ravens have some real holes to fill, why take a backup RB? I realize the Steelers did the same but Rice was nowhere near the value the Steelers got with Mendenhall. Plus Mendenhall is a potential gamebreaker. Rice a more of a workhorse and the Ravens already had that in McGahee.
Bottom Line: a chain mover, I'm not scared.

Cincinnati C
Keith Rivers - the Bengals needed a DT big time and struck out. Rivers will probably be a decent player but I don't think he's a top 10 talent. He wasn't an impact player in college. You could watch a USC game and never even notice Rivers. Without a good DL in front of him, he'll likely struggle.
Bottom Line:He'll look good with Rashard Mendenhall's footprint on his chest.

Jerome Simpson - They picked this guy with DeSean Jackson, Limas Sweed, and Malcolm Kelly still on the board. They also passed up potential defensive help for their still pathetic defense.
Bottom Line: I laugh at your sorrows

Cleveland
No picks until RD 4
They traded away their picks for Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers. Rogers will come in handy if the league decides to settle overtime game by eating contest instead of sudden death.



New England
They needed to get younger at LB, but Mayo at #10 is a reach. The fact they would reach like that shows just how desperate they think their need is at LB.

Tennessee
Jeff Fisher's head must have exploded when the Steelers took Mendenhall. That's the only way to explain the huge reach for RB Chris Johnson. It could work out though because with Vince Young remedial understanding of defenses, the Titans best offese may be dumping the ball off short to Johnson and hoping he can make something happen with his breakaway speed.

Houston
You wanted an OT, but you had to get cute and trade down. Then you had to trade back up and reach for a project OT Duane Brown.

Washington
They landed big WRs Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, plus TE Fred Davis all in RD 2. They should fit well with Santana Moss and Randle El. No excuses now for Jason Campbell.

Doc
04-27-2008, 02:05 AM
Ray Rice - a good runner, but a bad pick. The ravens have some real holes to fill, why take a backup RB? I realize the Steelers did the same but Rice was nowhere near the value the Steelers got with Mendenhall. Plus Mendenhall is a potential gamebreaker. Rice a more of a workhorse and the Ravens already had that in McGahee.
Bottom Line: a chain mover, I'm not scared.

I was surprised to see ESPN had him listed under 200lbs...I thought he was bigger than that.

mightyguru
04-27-2008, 02:14 AM
Tennessee
Jeff Fisher's head must have exploded when the Steelers took Mendenhall.

And then the Steelers took Sweed, Vince Young's teammate at TX.

Screw you Fisher!

Idioteque
04-27-2008, 02:43 AM
I was surprised to see ESPN had him listed under 200lbs...I thought he was bigger than that.

A the combine, he was 5'8 199.

IMO, possibly the best back in the draft.

Spike
04-27-2008, 03:04 AM
The Ratnest is in full implosion mode - worst rating of any team

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg1><TD class=bg0font colSpan=2 height=17>18. Baltimore Ravens (from Houston) select: Joe Flacco (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/1250697), QB, Delaware </TD><TD class=bg0font>Grade</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=top><TD vAlign=center width=55>http://images.sportsline.com/images/nfl/features/helmets/BAL.gif</TD><TD>Comment: This is shocking. There were two guys on the board better at quarterback. Brian Brohm will be better. I don't like this move at all. Isn't this Kyle Boller all over again? </TD><TD vAlign=center align=middle>D</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

tapeANaspirin2it
04-27-2008, 03:10 AM
I wonder what Bengal fans feel about getting Simpson and the Steelers getting Sweed

Spike
04-27-2008, 03:12 AM
I wonder what Bengal fans feel about getting Simpson and the Steelers getting Sweed

They hate our guts. hahahahahahahaha

As do the Browns and Ratbird fans......they are all green with envy with our steals of the draft.

JEFFRO
04-27-2008, 03:15 AM
A the combine, he was 5'8 199.

IMO, possibly the best back in the draft.

Now I see the light, you had a hard on for Rice, an under sized scat back!

That is why you gave the Steelers a "D" on day one in the other thread!

I give Rice 4 years or less in the NFL. JMHO.

5RINGS
04-27-2008, 10:19 AM
I wonder what Bengal fans feel about getting Simpson and the Steelers getting Sweed

I went over to there boards and they are jealous. They are pretty much saying that Ben will have no line to throw the ball to sweed and no line to block for Mendenhall.

Steelz
04-27-2008, 10:27 AM
Tennessee
Jeff Fisher's head must have exploded when the Steelers took Mendenhall.

And then the Steelers took Sweed, Vince Young's teammate at TX.

Screw you Fisher!

http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35723 :D

LetMePlay
04-27-2008, 10:33 AM
Steelers: A
1) Mendenhall: A
2) Sweed: A

Ravens: B
1) Flacco QB: B. He will be the best QB from this class. He is dead to me now though.
2) Rice RB: B

Bengals: C
1) Rivers LB: B
2) Simpson WR: D. They could have just picked up Todd Pinkston.

Browns: F
They have no picks.

scstillerfan
04-27-2008, 10:35 AM
I have to agree on Flacco. He can throw it a mile (Boller). IMO his delivery time, windup and release, is way too long and will get him killed in the NFL. This cannot be improved without disturbing accuracy and velocity. We shall see.

Brohm was the correct pick.

mightyguru
04-27-2008, 10:38 AM
http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35723 :D

From the Flaming T's bb

"Yea, after the 2nd round pick I think now would be a good time for me to go Emo."

lmao

slashsteel
04-27-2008, 10:39 AM
I thought the article should have mentioned J-ville who I thought had a solid draft so far as well...................

LetMePlay
04-27-2008, 10:51 AM
I have to agree on Flacco. He can throw it a mile (Boller). IMO his delivery time, windup and release, is way too long and will get him killed in the NFL. This cannot be improved without disturbing accuracy and velocity. We shall see.

Brohm was the correct pick.

Actually Flacco has a quick release and a short windup. He throws 3/4 but its not that big of a deal when you are over 6'6". Flacco is better than Boller right now.

Achie D
04-27-2008, 11:13 AM
Doesn't matter. Miller and others have declared our draft a failure because...well...it doesn't make any sense. No matter...we suck!

Very little of what Miller says makes sense. If guys fall to us like they did yesterday, this'll be the draft for the ages.

Beaker
04-27-2008, 12:21 PM
I wonder what Bengal fans feel about getting Simpson and the Steelers getting Sweed

They rated us losers because we didnt get a DT in the 1st, and because Simpson wasnt a big name. OK.

I like the steelers draft so far...but the OL issues still werent addressed. So if the Bengals were foolish for not getting a DT early (their biggest need), then the steelers may have been a bit foolish not addressing their biggest need (OL) early also.

I think Rivers will do well for us. He is a solid player. They are now talking about him at MLB eventually flanked by Odell Thurman and Ahmad Brooks. I like that line up. The Bengals did go get a nice DT in the 3rd. They got Pat Sims out of Auburn. 320 lbs and a good player in the SEC. So now we have a DL lineup of Geathers-Peko-Sims-Odom. To me thats an upgrade already. That front 7 is young, hungry and aggressive. But then again, anything is an upgrade there.

I dont have a problem with the Bengals taking Simpson over Sweed. Simpson is big, was productive in college...and was productive for 4 yrs, and he ran a 4.4 at the combine. He and rivers are also high character guys which the Bengals sorely needed. Sweed has had injuries, and the other "big name" WRs available at the time were all considered slower. Time will tell on Simpson. But as of right now, I am ok with the Bengals draft so far.

Idioteque
04-27-2008, 12:44 PM
Now I see the light, you had a hard on for Rice, an under sized scat back!

That is why you gave the Steelers a "D" on day one in the other thread!

I give Rice 4 years or less in the NFL. JMHO.

A scatback? A scatback is a small, quick third-down type that gets limited carries. Dude racked up 715 carries in two years. He runs inside and outside. AND blocks. AND catches the ball. Reggie Bush is a scatback. Rice has proven he can take the pounding.

If Ray Rice is a scatback, then Rashard Mendenhall is a blocking fullback.

Wig
04-27-2008, 12:47 PM
The Bengal's 2nd receiver pick...

To truly appreciate Andre Caldwell's football skills, you must look at what he does without the football and not judge him strictly on his statistics.

That's aaaaaalll you need to see.

Streeeeeetch.

Beaker
04-27-2008, 12:48 PM
And I couldnt be happier. Taking Simpson in the second round...a big, productive receiver who's only knock is that he is from a small school. Now they have chosen Andre Caldwell out of Florida with their second pick in the third round. He ran a 4.3 at the combine and had decent production in college. 2 picks on D, 2 picks on O in the first 3 rounds. Im ok with that. They have 6 picks remaining. Now lets stock the shelves with some more D and maybe a RB to be Rudi Johnson's heir.

SteelerFan448
04-27-2008, 01:03 PM
The Bengals could have been in even better shape if they traded him.