Fire Tomlin!

[Dgenx321]

I figured someone would say it, so I saved them fom having to make the post.

Carry on.

[FAB802]

That's pretty funny.

[hamster]

Ben sucks. Cut him.

[steelreeling]

I wouldn't say fire him, but i'm not afraid to say that i have no more confidence in him. This team has slowly blown a GOLDEN opportunity this year. God I wish we had Bill Cowher back.

[Chicoman]

Ben sucks. Cut him.

Cedric Wilson can do a better job at QB!:D

[SteelrzGirl]

Too early to trip on Mike.

[steelcan58]

On a more serious note - is there even anither team tgat Farrior, Haggans or Foote could start for. Those guys are useless.

[TDX27]

The entire D, other than Troy, was useless today. They got blown all over the field and couldn't tackle my freakin mother.

[Vader]

He appears to be in over his head at times.

[tyke]

He should quit 'seeking perfection' and try to seek domination.

[Stainless]

He needs to shave his head.

[Jmat]

Tomlin's honeymoon is over.
I love the guy and was happy he got hired but:

When your team looks like the Steelers have been looking it's about the coaching or lack thereof.
It's time for Mike to take charge and kick ass and hold guys accountable and not just talk about it.

Enough of the "moving forward" BS he loves to use.

[Dgenx321]

In all honesty I think Tomlin needs to stop being their friend and be their coach.

[FAB802]

I wouldn't say fire him, but i'm not afraid to say that i have no more confidence in him. This team has slowly blown a GOLDEN opportunity this year. God I wish we had Bill Cowher back.

What golden opportunity have they blown? We should still win the division with our remaining schedule. If we get one win we make the playoff's. This team isn't nearly as talented as some of you think it is. The record wouldn't be any different with Cowher. I'm willing to give him a COMPLETE first season and see what we do in the draft at least before I get too concerned. He absolutely needs to reevaluate both coordinators after the season. He kept them to keep it from being too much adjusting the first year. He needs to get people who get the job done, players included.

[LeXX75]

Two weeks in a row this team came out flat in the 2nd half....thats coaching...I have tried giving Tomlin his his due...but I just can't right now...Yes they may make the playoffs and they may even win the AFCN...but its 1 and done in those playoffs......

[BlastFurnace]

The team has looked like garbage for about 6 weeks now. It's not that we are losing, it's the way this team loses. The defense, when it really needs a stop, has failed over and over this season. End of the game drives against Jay Cutler, some rookie in New York, David Garrard, nearly the 2nd Stains game.

I'm not saying it's time to fire Tomlin, but the toughness of this team on defense is clearly overblown. If I hear that we are the #1 defense in the league in anything but dumb penalties, choke jobs, or overrated starters, I don't know what I'll do.

[THE flafan]

The team has looked like garbage for about 6 weeks now. It's not that we are losing, it's the way this team loses. The defense, when it really needs a stop, has failed over and over this season. End of the game drives against Jay Cutler, some rookie in New York, David Garrard, nearly the 2nd Stains game.

I'm not saying it's time to fire Tomlin, but the toughness of this team on defense is clearly overblown. If I hear that we are the #1 defense in the league in anything but dumb penalties, choke jobs, or overrated starters, I don't know what I'll do.

Amen! This defense has not shown the ability to come through in the clutch...they remind me of Barry Bonds' Pirates days: he put up good numbers hitting 3 run homers in a game the Buccos were already well in control of, but come crunch time, he rarely delivered.

[9"Nail]

Tomlin is too plastic to be a pittsburgh coach... doesnt have much personality, and, my god, when you hear him talk, he sounds like a corporate CEO. Maybe he just needs to act like an ordinary guy. But maybe he still has sticker shock from being picked as a head coach.... But good lord, he sure is hard to listen to...

Its like he has been preprogramed to give responses...

[ugemire]

the offensive coordinator has to go. we have some good weapons that are misused.

[SteelerFan448]

We haven't been prepared the past couple of weeks. The offensive game plan to throw the ball that much when Willie was having a field day was not smart. I believe you can pin 3 or 4 of our losses on coaching this year.

[BlastFurnace]

Tomlin is too plastic to be a pittsburgh coach... doesnt have much personality, and, my god, when you hear him talk, he sounds like a corporate CEO. Maybe he just needs to act like an ordinary guy. But maybe he still has sticker shock from being picked as a head coach.... But good lord, he sure is hard to listen to...

Its like he has been preprogramed to give responses...

Just once, I would like him to say "our OL sucks. It's a clear area we need to upgrade in FA and in the draft".....and I'm not talking about re-signing Faneca.

[FAB802]

You can't sell your players out in the press. If you do even the players you don't call out will lose respect for you. Let's keep it in perspective people. Did you hear? Ray Ray has a hand.

[kurtistb]

We haven't been prepared the past couple of weeks. The offensive game plan to throw the ball that much when Willie was having a field day was not smart. I believe you can pin 3 or 4 of our losses on coaching this year.

More specifically Bruce Arians. When Willie is having no success we keep running him. When Willie is gashing the defense we don't run him at all. He lost me with that throw the ball to Holmes no matter what bullshit he pulled against Buffalo I think.

[FAB802]

That's two weeks in a row Willie was killing a team and he stopped getting the ball. He wasn't on the field for the last drive at all, it was Davendookie. Our coaches are fucking morons.

[Dgenx321]

Willie only had what 16-17 carries??

He should be getting 25-30.

[FAB802]

Willie only had what 16-17 carries??

He should be getting 25-30.

If the Ravens put nine in the box he'll get it thirty times.

[9"Nail]

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Maybe someone can hand it over to the offense

[Dgenx321]

If the Ravens put nine in the box he'll get it thirty times.

Airians is that you??

Is it?

[SteelrzGirl]

Football 101 - The Basics of Football
From James Alder,

Your Guide to Football.
Pick up the basics of football, from the object of the game and the various ways to score, to the layout of the football field. You'll also find some of the basic terminology that is associated with the game.
The game of football can seem very confusing if you don't know the rules, but actually, the basics of the game are very simple. Check out the following sections and you'll be watching football like an expert in no time.
Maybe someone can hand it over to the offense

I know who this is. Dave, I need my mod rights so I can delete multiple spamming posts.

[SteelrzGirl]

Oh and could those Steelers not steal the Nation from the Raiders?

[Lunar7]

I know who this is. Dave, I need my mod rights so I can delete multiple spamming posts.


tell me! tell me!

[SteelrzGirl]

Its that fuck nugget who showed up last week, FNG, that posted 975 posts in 17,234 threads saying the exact same thing about Tomlin and 4&1.

[Lunar7]

I don't remember.

[hammerva]

Not only should the "fuck nugget" (I may have to get a trademark for that phrase ;) ) should be banned but anybody who is actually having an actually thought about it as well. Seriously you would ahve thought Bobby Petrino was coaching this team with all of this talk.

And for all of the people who say that Tomlin has no personality or emotion to be a good head coach, how about watching the damn press conference. Not listening but watching. You can look into his eyes and see that he is pissed at the performance of his team. But he kept it to himself showing class. I didn't know a requirement for a good coach was that he screamed and yelled like an idiot. Or maybe Tomlin should act Brian Billick after losing to the Dolphins with his condescending and arrogrant responses to the fans.

Listen people, the "chin" and the spit flying all over the place from Cowher was cool to watch but anybody that thinks that it gaves us one damn win is delusional.

[SteelrzGirl]

Fans all over the league laugh at spoiled steeler fans having hissy fits over Tomlin.

Just call us the Paris Hiltons of football.

[slanchor]

the play calling has been terrible for way to long now willie has 100 yrds and only 14 carries,give him the damn ball.today just about all of them had a drop that cost them.special teams does nothing,other than 1 kickoff return they have done nothing and the all american punter left his leg in collage.i will go down with this team but damn how much more heartbreak can they give us..i want them to win the division but one thing for sure next years schedule will be alot harder than this years and maybe not winning the division this year will make next years a little easier.

[5RINGS]

You can't fire Tomlin. Once you go black, you can never go back.:D

[Vader]

You can't fire Tomlin. Once you go black, you can never go back.:D

Ask the Jets about that ;)

[leftcoaststeelerfan]

Tomlin will be fine. Shit, people act as if it's some kind of magic show. You can't just wave your wand and POOF, you are great. It will take time and I'm willing to give Tomlin the benefit of making this team his. We are currently lacking at many key positions. Some of them were addressed during the offseason and some will be addressed nx year. Whatever the case Tomlin is a good coach and this is not Petrino we are talking about. If anyone needs to go, it's fucking Arians. His playcalling is obvious and old and needs to change for us to have any chance in the postseason.

[Capt-Ron]

I'll give Coach T. one more complete year. Pre-Season...Regular Season...Playoff Season(Hopefully)

After that, I'll base my decision on calling for his head. Any improvement gains him another year.

[hammerva]

I'll give Coach T. one more complete year. Pre-Season...Regular Season...Playoff Season(Hopefully)

After that, I'll base my decision on calling for his head. Any improvement gains him another year.

You realize how stupid it sounds to base an entire coaching career on 2 seasons. If Chuck Noll had that short of a leash he would have been fired before their first playoff game.

[MOSteelerFan]

Here is my take on Tomlin.

What I understand is he wants quality men (coaches and players) and he treats them all like men. It appears he is trying to be their friend first to being their coach. If his players don't fear him (and I don't mean being scared of him), they wont be motivated to play for him. I think this is why they come out flat, loose to teams like Arizona, Denver and the Jets, and have no desire and intensity against the likes of New England and Jacksonville. If you look at our schedule, we should be 12-2 at worst, not 9-5and we have NO quality wins.

This is what I see on the Tomlin Resume:

3 losses this season to sub 500 teams
2 embarrasing performances (losses) to the only quality teams we have played
Yeilded 2 100 yard rushers (Jets and Jacksonville) in the last 5 games (1 in 58 games prior)
Yeilded 43 (I believe) sacks on the season to date
Can not hold leads or remain tied in 3 of our 5 losses
Have no intensity on defense and make careless mistakes and penalties on offense

Do I need to go on?

I'm just not seeing Tomlin's ability to lead this team. I have nothing but respect for the Rooney's, but I do not have confidence in this coach. I hope he proves me wrong.

[SteelAddiction]

Here is my take on Tomlin.

What I understand is he wants quality men (coaches and players) and he treats them all like men. It appears he is trying to be their friend first to being their coach. If his players don't fear him (and I don't mean being scared of him), they wont be motivated to play for him. I think this is why they come out flat, loose to teams like Arizona, Denver and the Jets, and have no desire and intensity against the likes of New England and Jacksonville. If you look at our schedule, we should be 12-2 at worst, not 9-5and we have NO quality wins.

This is what I see on the Tomlin Resume:

3 losses this season to sub 500 teams
2 embarrasing performances (losses) to the only quality teams we have played
Yeilded 2 100 yard rushers (Jets and Jacksonville) in the last 5 games (1 in 58 games prior)
Yeilded 43 (I believe) sacks on the season to date
Can not hold leads or remain tied in 3 of our 5 losses
Have no intensity on defense and make careless mistakes and penalties on offense

Do I need to go on?

I'm just not seeing Tomlin's ability to lead this team. I have nothing but respect for the Rooney's, but I do not have confidence in this coach. I hope he proves me wrong.

Almost everything that you wrote falls on the heads of the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator as well as position coaches. The head coach is alot like the CEO of a corporation...his job is to orchestrate and see the overall picture while trusting that his coaches are making the right decisions and preparations for the team to be successful.

[FAB802]

I agree to a point about the CEO thing. But if I'm the head coach, and my ass is on the line those same coaches better make obvious adjustments or I'm taking the headset from them. I felt that way when Cowher was here and still do. He's going to have to reevaluate after the season and decide if the guys he kept to avoid too much change are good enough to go into battle with. Ariens is not for sure, as much as I hate to admit it Lebeau isn't thrilling me right now either.

I do not think we made a bad hire.

[MOSteelerFan]

Almost everything that you wrote falls on the heads of the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator as well as position coaches. The head coach is alot like the CEO of a corporation...his job is to orchestrate and see the overall picture while trusting that his coaches are making the right decisions and preparations for the team to be successful.

And when your O-Coordinator, D-Coordinator and positon coaches are not doing their job it is a reflection on your ability to lead, motivate, and provide proper direction (orchestrate). We haven't improved since the start of this season, we have gotten worse.

[SteelAddiction]

And when your O-Coordinator, D-Coordinator and positon coaches are not doing their job it is a reflection on your ability to lead, motivate, and provide proper direction (orchestrate). We haven't improved since the start of this season, we have gotten worse.

1) We are playing better teams

2) What do you think in your infinite wisdom Tomlin should do? If he takes over the headset it shows distrust which has a trickle down effect. Should he fire a coordinator mid-season...sure that would have a good result for team morale.

3) Most of the Steelers issues comes from piss poor execution. If the players are in the right place but fail to make the play that is execution. Players that fail to execute repeatedly should lose PT. What worries me is the fact that our first 2 draft picks have barely sniffed the field this year in spite of the starters performance. Appaently they are not performing well enough in practice.

4) The other issue with this team has been piss poor personnel decisions over the past 5 years. The list of blame for this can fall all over the organization but until the Steelers learn to fund value and quality at all levels of the draft and FA market this team will only go so far. We were lucky in our SB run to have minimal injuries and unfortunately that has not been the case the past 2 years.

[MOSteelerFan]

1) We are playing better teams

2) What do you think in your infinite wisdom Tomlin should do? If he takes over the headset it shows distrust which has a trickle down effect. Should he fire a coordinator mid-season...sure that would have a good result for team morale.

3) Most of the Steelers issues comes from piss poor execution. If the players are in the right place but fail to make the play that is execution. Players that fail to execute repeatedly should lose PT. What worries me is the fact that our first 2 draft picks have barely sniffed the field this year in spite of the starters performance. Appaently they are not performing well enough in practice.

4) The other issue with this team has been piss poor personnel decisions over the past 5 years. The list of blame for this can fall all over the organization but until the Steelers learn to fund value and quality at all levels of the draft and FA market this team will only go so far. We were lucky in our SB run to have minimal injuries and unfortunately that has not been the case the past 2 years.

1. At game 14 of the season, you would expect to compete with the better teams in the league.
2. Execution is a reflection of coaching (head or position). Attention to detail, ability to recognize and make adjustments are things I have not seen from Tomlin or his coaching staff and the last two games are examples.
3. Head Coaches are hired to make tough decisions. You don't waste a season because you are afraid of hurting team morale. This team looks more out of rythm today than it did the start of the year. If you are going to make changes with your coaches, impliment an action plan to get the schemes you want instituted and start creating an identity for your team. We don't have an identity.
4. I understand Tomlin is working with what he inherited and bad personnel decisions, but we use to lose all kinds of talent in free angency year after year and we still found a way to compete. We have a 9-5 record because we have a week schedule, not because we are a good football team.

[FAB802]

I can't believe a thread that was started as a joke has gotten this far. Sad. I don't care what Timmons and Woodley look like in practice. The starters in front of them are stinking it up. Let them play already.

[kurtistb]

Woodley has been injured alot lately but early in the season he showed flashes. I'm pretty disappointed to not see Timmons in there more. I really expected both of these guys to be making a push by now.

[SteelAddiction]

1. At game 14 of the season, you would expect to compete with the better teams in the league.
2. Execution is a reflection of coaching (head or position). Attention to detail, ability to recognize and make adjustments are things I have not seen from Tomlin or his coaching staff and the last two games are examples.
3. Head Coaches are hired to make tough decisions. You don't waste a season because you are afraid of hurting team morale. This team looks more out of rythm today than it did the start of the year. If you are going to make changes with your coaches, impliment an action plan to get the schemes you want instituted and start creating an identity for your team. We don't have an identity.
4. I understand Tomlin is working with what he inherited and bad personnel decisions, but we use to lose all kinds of talent in free angency year after year and we still found a way to compete. We have a 9-5 record because we have a week schedule, not because we are a good football team.

Ok...you are Tomlin how do YOU make things right? If you don't think a teams morale is important go talk to the Falcons and Dolphins.

re-read what I wrote about execution. Execution is on a player...how sad is it when the depth at positions makes replacements not an option. A coach can only do so much if players fail to execute despite what you think. Especially if there are no viable options.

[SteelAddiction]

I can't believe a thread that was started as a joke has gotten this far. Sad. I don't care what Timmons and Woodley look like in practice. The starters in front of them are stinking it up. Let them play already.

once again how sad is it that their performance in practice does NOT have them sniffing the field?

[MOSteelerFan]

Woodley has been injured alot lately but early in the season he showed flashes. I'm pretty disappointed to not see Timmons in there more. I really expected both of these guys to be making a push by now.

I agree. Listen I'm not saying they need to fire Tomlin. I am disappointed with the leadership I've seen so far. I don't see an identity with this team and I don't see an ability to make adjustments on either side of the ball.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Tomlin shouldn't have to take over the playcalling but what he should be doing is making sure the gameplan makes the best use of the talent each week.

The offensive gameplans simply aren't using the talent. Arians is calling plays that rely on the OL being able to protect with little help from backs and TEs, and on WRs who can consistently get open quickly. It has been proven time and again this year that neither of those things can be counted on, yet each week, the gameplan relies on things this team can't execute

People ragged on cowher for being conservative. He wasn't. He simply gameplanned around what he knew his team could actually execute on the field.

Tomlin rode this team pretty hard in the preseason. Is it possible they're running out of gas when it counts? I hope not.

My biggest fear when Tomlin was hired was that he would slowly transform the steelers from a power team to a finesse team. I'm afraid this type of loss, being overpowered, could become more frequent.

[FAB802]

once again how sad is it that their performance in practice does NOT have them sniffing the field?

Athletically the only LB we have who is better than they are is Harrison. The others look like ass out there. You can't tell me they aren't capable of being given a specific job like rushing the passer and executing it better than what we get out of Haggans. If not our scouts, and whoever is coaching them suck ass.

[SteelAddiction]

Athletically the only LB we have who is better than they are is Harrison. The others look like ass out there. You can't tell me they aren't capable of being given a specific job like rushing the passer and executing it better than what we get out of Haggans. If not our scouts, and whoever is coaching them suck ass.

yes, our coaches suck so bad that players who are performing better in practice are riding the pine for shits and giggles. Sorry but the Steelers draft history is a perfect example of bad decisions. Nothing I have seen from Woodley or Timmons makes me believe they are all that different

[Super Dave]

Fans all over the league laugh at spoiled steeler fans having hissy fits over Tomlin.

Just call us the Paris Hiltons of football.

And Cowher is at the top of their wish lists!

[FAB802]

SA. If I concede they haven't shown a lot in practice you still don't think they should at least try them in more game situations? Do the guys in the game currently impress you enough to say they shouldn't? Woodley looked pretty good early, was leading us in sacks and got hurt. At the very least he should see more time rushing the passer if he's healthy. Timmons missed a lot of camp so he's been behind all year.

[SteelAddiction]

My opinion is that you play the BEST 11 guys all game every game. If our starters have looked bad (which they have) than it worries me that our top 2 draft picks are not showing any better performance that they cannot up seat the starters.

[Super Dave]

My opinion is that you play the BEST 11 guys all game every game. If our starters have looked bad (which they have) than it worries me that our top 2 draft picks are not showing any better performance that they cannot up seat the starters.

What makes that even more painful is that they play the same position.

We've needed OL help for YEARS.

HELL I was pimping Shawn Andrews the year we drafted Ben....That's how long we have needed OL help early in the draft.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

My opinion is that you play the BEST 11 guys all game every game. If our starters have looked bad (which they have) than it worries me that our top 2 draft picks are not showing any better performance that they cannot up seat the starters.

to be fair, the steelers haven't installed the scheme that timmons and woodley were actually drafted for yet. They'll play more next year as the steelers move closer to the pussy tampa 2 scheme.

[FAB802]

There is no scheme involved in putting Woodley on the outside and saying " Kill the quarterback!" That's all they ask Haggans to do and he blows at it. Woodley made plays before he got hurt and got to the quarterback. Unless he's still too hurt to play he should get a shot at Haggan's spot. I think you're right about Timmons. He's fast and covers a lot of ground. If they switch it up he'll be a good fit, but we'll need to address the DL.

[SteelAddiction]

What makes that even more painful is that they play the same position.

We've needed OL help for YEARS.

HELL I was pimping Shawn Andrews the year we drafted Ben....That's how long we have needed OL help early in the draft.

I agree...the Steelers have a bad habit of keeping players too long and not taking steps to find adequate replacements before it becomes a need.

[FAB802]

I agree...the Steelers have a bad habit of keeping players too long and not taking steps to find adequate replacements before it becomes a need.

I think that's something we can all agree on.

[Super Dave]

I'll say this too......I thought it was very clear during the draft that Timmons was a Tomlin pick, it really sucks that this guy has not made more of an impact.

It sucks even more that when our 2nd pick rolled around, a steal at the same position, Lamar Woodley was there, In my mind it devalues the Timmons pick even further.

[Dgenx321]

Gesus, I make this thread moking people.

And it turned into a full out thread.

Gotta love this place. lol

[TDX27]

After that ass whooping and the very short week, does Tomlin even have the guys practice? My guess is some guys sit for this game. I have serious doubts about us beating the Rams. Jackson may put up big numbers on our banged up D. Did anyone here the condition of Ike? The announcers said he was out in the 4th quarter.

[SteelrzGirl]

And Cowher is at the top of their wish lists!

lol always has been. They also like Ben and Willie.