Kordell/Cheatriots

[steelermania]

Has Kordell had anything to say about Spygate? Kordell's career was basically wrecked by two consecutive games against the Pats. The 2001 AFC Championship Game, and then the opener the following fall. These two games basically erased all the progress Kordell had made, and basically stamped him as a failure. In a league where such zeros as Joey Harrington, and Brian Greise still draw a paycheck, it's hard to believe that if Kordell had won a Super Bowl, that he wouldn't at worst, be some team's backup, or a starter for some crappy team. He probably has more right to be pissed than anyone.

[K from Cal]

If Kordell had a brain he would have been Slash Part One and let Randle El have to step up and fill his shoes. We may have won those games if we had Griese or Harrington as QB's.

[Southern Steeler]

Kordell's unraveling began in the 97 AFCC against Denver....and if you want to pick an exact moment it was the INT he threw in the end zone.


He was never the same after that.

[Aries1247]

The only person Kordy should be pissed at is himself. He lost the Denver AFCCG due to stupid mistakes too.

[Angry Christ]

Kordell didn't play special teams in the 2001 championship game. I am aware that that is not the point you're tryin' to make Steelermania; but I honestly believe that it was special teams that blew that game, not Kordell. Although he still had his chances to pull it out. The offense wasn't built for comebacks. The Denver game is a different animal.

[steelermania]

Kordell's unraveling began in the 97 AFCC against Denver....and if you want to pick an exact moment it was the INT he threw in the end zone.


He was never the same after that.

I don't buy that. Kordell was a much better QUARTERBACK in 2001, than he was in 1997. Teams in 1997 hadn't figured out his weak spots yet.


If Kordell had a brain he would have been Slash Part One and let Randle El have to step up and fill his shoes. We may have won those games if we had Griese or Harrington as QB's.

Griese, I might buy. He's not great, but he's had some decent years. Harrington is worse than Kordell. His qb rating has never reached 80 in any season, and he's under 70 for his career. Even Kordell managed to top 80 twice. Harrington is one of the worst qb's in recent memory to get so much playing time. Charlie Batch was replaced by this guy, yet Batch's stats are way better. Even Kyle Boller does better than Harrington. Even David Carr has outperformed him by a clear margin. The only thing worse than Harrington, is Matt Millen's performance as GM of the Lions. With Dave Littlefield and Isiah Thomas unemployed, Millen is now the undisputed, "worst front office official" in sports.

[CAH]

This *Patriot thing has a lot of people second guessing. The problems they created are far reaching and for that alone, the NFL let them off too easy for the damage they've caused..

[steelermania]

Kordell didn't play special teams in the 2001 championship game. I am aware that that is not the point you're tryin' to make Steelermania; but I honestly believe that it was special teams that blew that game, not Kordell. Although he still had his chances to pull it out. The offense wasn't built for comebacks. The Denver game is a different animal.

I know the special teams blew the game. Actually, the Steelers had a chance to tie the game. If I remember correctly, we were near midfield down by 7 in the fourth quarter, when Plex had just an awful drop of a good pass that would have gained big yardage, bobbling the ball for about 5 yards before dropping it. On the resulting 3rd and long, Kordell threw the pick that sealed our fate.

The point of the original post wasn't to debate Kordell's merits as a qb, but to point out what might have happened if the Steelers had won those games. If no one thinks the Pats' cheating had an effect on the outcome, then we need to shut up and quit crying about Spygate.

[Big Fella]

I think that the Pats cheating played a much larger role in 04 than 01.

First of all, more time to get their "system" perfected.

Secondly, special teams ripped us up much more than their D did in 01.

[Southern Steeler]

I don't buy that. Kordell was a much better QUARTERBACK in 2001, than he was in 1997. Teams in 1997 hadn't figured out his weak spots yet.


ummm....WTF were you watching in 1998, 1999, and 2000? He was horrible.


He was never the same after the Denver game. I can't imagine how anyone can realistically debate that.

[steelermania]

Kordell sucked in 98. 99, and 2000. I must have missed where I mentioned those years. I must be retarded, despite the 148 IQ.

He made the Pro Bowl in 2001. He was a better QB in 2001 than in 97. In 97, he was making a bunch of plays with his feet. In 2001, he had a better year passing. I don't see how anyone can dispute that. The numbers don't lie. 60.2% vs 53.6 completion rating, and a passer rating of 81.7 vs 75.2. The thing that was missing was the crazy runs. The use of a spy (not a Patriots type spy LOL) put an end to all of that running.

Again, for those who have difficulty with reading comprehension; the point of the post was not whether Kordell was any good, but whether or not he would still be in the league had he won those games since most on this board seem to view those Patriot wins as illegitimate.

[TazmanianDevil43]

Again, for those who have difficulty with reading comprehension; the point of the post was not whether Kordell was any good, but whether or not he would still be in the league had he won those games since most on this board seem to view those Patriot wins as illegitimate.


I feel for Kordell. After the 2001 AFC title game I remember Kordell saying the Best Team didn't win that day.

Kordell would be a much better back up than Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington, and the Ratbirds QB the year they won the Super Bowl. He's actually a lot better than Harrington and hell even better than Boller. He would cost WAY less than any of those guys. The Pats really ruined his career....

[GoSteelers]

kordell sucked as a qb in the bigs. he coulda made his name as slash, but chose to try kordell the qb, and he sucked.

[JohnnyO]

He didn't need the cheating Patriots help to look bad.

[steelermania]

I feel for Kordell. After the 2001 AFC title game I remember Kordell saying the Best Team didn't win that day.

Kordell would be a much better back up than Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington, and the Ratbirds QB the year they won the Super Bowl. He's actually a lot better than Harrington and hell even better than Boller. He would cost WAY less than any of those guys. The Pats really ruined his career....

Taz, you are obviously a scholar. What no one seems to want to acknowledge, is that there are a bunch of qb's in the league that suck. Thus, Kordell's sucktitude alone, should not have precluded him from landing a job. I mean, St. Pierre is still employed in the league for goodness sakes. For what it's worth, Tommy Maddox is probably better than some of these guys, but again, his last few games are what everyone remembers, thus he is out of the league. Actually, Maddox has no one to blame but himself for that. I believe he was still banged up when Ben got hurt, but he selfishly told Cowher he was ok so that he could get in there instead of Charlie. The result? He couldn't perform, and he played his way right out of the league.

[GoSteelers]

Actually, Maddox has no one to blame but himself for that. I believe he was still banged up when Ben got hurt, but he selfishly told Cowher he was ok so that he could get in there instead of Charlie. The result? He couldn't perform, and he played his way right out of the league.


and kordell sucked his way out of the league! both ways! stay as slash and go down in Steeler history as one of the greats.
he was a dumbass.

[Achie D]

Kordell's unraveling began in the 97 AFCC against Denver....and if you want to pick an exact moment it was the INT he threw in the end zone.

He was never the same after that.

Bullseye!!

Romo came over and got in his face and it was all over for that kid. Romo was pointing at his own head and saying to Korkie something like "Think before you throw". It apparently scrambled Korkie's eggs.

I wonder where Korkie is on "gay marriage".

[Punxsutawney]

Actually, Maddox has no one to blame but himself for that. I believe he was still banged up when Ben got hurt, but he selfishly told Cowher he was ok so that he could get in there instead of Charlie. The result? He couldn't perform, and he played his way right out of the league.


I think Maddox's career was over the moment he blew out his arm against the Ravens. I don't say that because it opened the door for Ben but because he could not throw for sh1t after that.

I think Maddox was a better QB in BOTH his years as a starter than what he was given credit for. He had ZERO chance to succeed in 2003. The Steelers were dead last in rushing that season and with the injuries to Marvel, had no LT. Even with the team around him sucking badly, his numbers were not that bad.

[Acerero]

Kordella who?

[Far51]

from the steelers history dvd ,it was rod woodsaon that told ks if he wants to be more well known and take his game to the newxt level he should be a QB,he said if to ks if u want to be remembered be a QB, you wont be remembered as slash.

Order of words but ther dvd interview with Rod said this.

[fedderone]

Has Kordell had anything to say about Spygate? Kordell's career was basically wrecked by two consecutive games against the Pats. The 2001 AFC Championship Game, and then the opener the following fall. These two games basically erased all the progress Kordell had made, and basically stamped him as a failure. In a league where such zeros as Joey Harrington, and Brian Greise still draw a paycheck, it's hard to believe that if Kordell had won a Super Bowl, that he wouldn't at worst, be some team's backup, or a starter for some crappy team. He probably has more right to be pissed than anyone.

Who fucking cares??!!
I still resent Cowher for thinking Kordell was the answer for SO long and not pulling the plug on that failed experiment sooner.
Great as Slash, SUCKED DONKEY NUTS as a QB.
Even the one decent season he had was more a product of our run game then Kordell's actual ability.

[FAB802]

Kordell was done in by his insistence on grooming himself while on the job for his future profession. Worm exterminator.

[steelermania]

Kordell was done in by his insistence on grooming himself while on the job for his future profession. Worm exterminator.

He did have a knack for tossing those worm burners. Only good thing about that was that worm burners rarely get run back. Floaters tend to become pick 6's, as we unfortunately found out late in Tommy's career. I sometimes wonder if he was coached to throw low, for fear that his erratic passes would be pick 6's?

[DerbyCityBNGfan]

Complete choke artist. They beat him badly in a Divisional Playoff game in 1996 as well at New England. 28-3 I think it was. Parcells and Belicheat always had it for Kordell. He was far too emotionally unstable for the starting QB role. One mistake and it was over. My Dad and I used to talk about how we would both cringe every time Kordell let it go. I can imagine a lot of us felt that way.

[ItalianPenguin]

Has Kordell had anything to say about Spygate? Kordell's career was basically wrecked by two consecutive games against the Pats. The 2001 AFC Championship Game, and then the opener the following fall. These two games basically erased all the progress Kordell had made, and basically stamped him as a failure. In a league where such zeros as Joey Harrington, and Brian Greise still draw a paycheck, it's hard to believe that if Kordell had won a Super Bowl, that he wouldn't at worst, be some team's backup, or a starter for some crappy team. He probably has more right to be pissed than anyone.
I can see why you think that, but I disagree. I think those games hurt him either further, but I believe he was done long before that. All they did was add more onto the pile.

[Vader]

Kordell as "slash" was never going to work. All the people that now say (in hindsight) he would be a great slash are mostly the same ones that said he would be a great QB. Cowher couldn't keep him as slash because even Rooney said that Hines field would be known as the house that Kordell built.

That plus the fact that there is NO such thing as a "slash" role in the NFL makes it impossible for him to play it. He wasn't a RB/WR like Bush. You can't build an offense on a QB/WR. He would have been nothing more than Randel EL running a few gadget plays.

[steelermania]

Kordell as "slash" was never going to work. All the people that now say (in hindsight) he would be a great slash are mostly the same ones that said he would be a great QB. Cowher couldn't keep him as slash because even Rooney said that Hines field would be known as the house that Kordell built.

That plus the fact that there is NO such thing as a "slash" role in the NFL makes it impossible for him to play it. He wasn't a RB/WR like Bush. You can't build an offense on a QB/WR. He would have been nothing more than Randel EL running a few gadget plays.

100% correct. People are always talking about what a great wideout he would have been. Based on what? A few catches made out of a 5 reciever set? When you start making catches with Rod Woodson, or Deion Sanders covering your ass, that's when you have proven your greatness as a wideout. Kordell might have become a good wideout, but it's simply speculation. Randle-El is more likely what he could have become, but even that is simply a guess.

I can see why you think that, but I disagree. I think those games hurt him either further, but I believe he was done long before that. All they did was add more onto the pile.

I doubt seriously that he was done before those two games. The team was 14-3 that season going into the NE game. Do you seriously think Cowher would have gotten rid of him had he won that game, and then the Super Bowl? Of course not. He had done a decent job that season as more of a "game manager" type of qb, who limited his mistakes, and would make just enough key plays to win. Had he continued to do that, they would have stuck with him. When he regressed in the two NE games, and the games against Oakland and Cleveland, Cowher decided to pull the plug. Of course, he was done in fans eyes back in 98, but the Rooneys don't run the team based on the opinions of fans.

[steelwolf]

what about gilbride making him stay in the pocket ?? that wasnt kordells game

[aSteelerFanDamnit]

Kordell is wise to keep silent on this in the media. It's water under the bridge for him and he had his fair share of mistakes. Anything said now couldn't be perceived in any kind light, despite the *Pats.

[Cdog]

Kordell didn't lose that game, The Patsies couldn't cheat 2 special teams blow-ups,and when it came time for Kordell to overcome and be the man, thats when the fall started. I think he was emotionally weak and couldn't handle the pressure or that it really got to him after a while. I suppose those stationary targets he couldn't hit on Pro's vs Joes were cheating too? The 2004 game is more of a question mark on the Patsies cheating if you ask me.

[BAS]

A Kordell thread? Must be one hell of an off-season.

[THE flafan]

A Kordell thread? Must be one hell of an off-season.

Can a Huey Richardson thread be far behind..............

[t-man]

Ok, first off, the Pats cheating sux, and who knows what impact it had on each individual game? The bottom line is, ANY game where you go outside the rules, and your opponent does not, you have an unfair advantage. Everyone wants to say "Well, special teams cost us that game" but, could the Steelers have overcome those special teams errors if the pats didn't know half the plays that the D was running? I mean hell, if we only gave up what was it, one TD, on defense, and they KNEW all our calls, how badly would our D have taken them if they DIDN'T know what was coming?

That being said, Kordy was the king of the worm burner, and he never ever, ever, hell I'll say it one more time, EVER, made it past his second read. Period. If you could keep him in the pocket, and cover his first and second reads, he was done as a qb. That was the major problem he had, his mental processing skills could not keep up with the speed of the nfl, and he never got to his 3rd, and 4th reads. Early on, he would just run and get by that way, but when teams started spying him, he was done.

Kordy can't hang his failure as an NFL qb on this, he went to the Bears and ended up showing them he sucked as well, he just couldn't read a D. Oh, and don't even get me started on the worm burner passes when he DID find an open man. If our WR's had stickem on their ankles when Kordy was here, we'd have at least 2 more Superbowls than we do now :)

Joe

[Hines57]

Just the mention of his name makes me cringe. Seeing Santonio wear #10 makes me cringe

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

Kordell was a fag, I don't stick up for peter puffers. The playcalling at the goal line in the 97' Championship game sucked. We had "The Bus" in his prime down at the goal line twice, and we leave it in the hands of Cornholio Stewart. Anybody read Jerome's book where he was fuming about that game and the goal line play-calling?

[Steelersrule]

Kordell got to play for the Ravens and the Bears, and could not prove his worth with either QB starved team,.

[Avoid Lloyd1975]

Kordell's most recent famed moment on Pro's vs Joe's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtANg6FcsoA

[aSteelerFanDamnit]

Just the mention of his name makes me cringe. Seeing Santonio wear #10 makes me cringe
When I see #10 in the blackngold I like to remember back to the 70s super bowls and this guy ...
http://www.moyerstuff.com/cards/image_427.jpg
... because that is what that number still means to me today.

[Marshall Karp]

Mentioning Kordell in this forum is like mentioning Niagira Falls to Curly.

[scstillerfan]

Complete choke artist. They beat him badly in a Divisional Playoff game in 1996 as well at New England. 28-3 I think it was. Parcells and Belicheat always had it for Kordell.

That was Tomczak, with a gimpy Bettis and gimpy Woodson.