Ben Roethlisberger better than Peyton Manning?

[ronburgundy]

Exactly what happened with me and a buddy watching the last Super Bowl - my exact words were "they've left us too much time". I had every faith at that point.

Yup. My thoughts too. I figured the Steelers had just enough time to score without leaving the Cards any time.
In fairness, I would limit the list of QB's to those who actually played in the game. That said, I was always damn happy for Bubby getting two rings with Denver, and for one of those seasons he started a fair number of games when Elway was injured.

[Matt6999]

Exactly what happened with me and a buddy watching the last Super Bowl - my exact words were "they've left us too much time". I had every faith at that point.

I was the guy slumped over convinced we had just lost. I mean, other than Montana, who does THAT? Especially after the holding call put us back to the 10. God, I hope we draft and sign some OL this year.

[Slaine]

PS - if any Mod knows how to space and line up the above chart please feel free to do so. I can't figure it out.

Sadly this editor doesn't accept tables unless you build them in HTML.

[Slaine]

I was the guy slumped over convinced we had just lost. I mean, other than Montana, who does THAT? Especially after the holding call put us back to the 10. God, I hope we draft and sign some OL this year.

That was my mate at the bar - he believed deep down but he needed convincing.

[THE flafan]

I was lucky enough to be at the game...after Fitz scored and the Steelers were backed up, I turned to him and said "The Steelers went 92 vs. the Ravens D earlier, they will handle this"....

[CoolieMan]

I was lucky enough to be at the game...after Fitz scored and the Steelers were backed up, I turned to him and said "The Steelers went 92 vs. the Ravens D earlier, they will handle this"....

wow...Fitz came and sat in the stands with you after his TD...that must have been weird.

[mightyguru]

I was amongst incredulous Steeler haters who were busy cheering against the Steelers and not rooting for the Cards so much...except for Fitz (younger folks do not root so much for teams these days...just players of the moment, in my experience).

I was actually pretty calm, knowing the crazy games the Steelers had pulled out that season, and told the folks to keep watching 'cause Ben was going to take them down the field and win the game....which he did. Many, many jaws were agape and/or death-rattling on the floor a few minutes later.

[stretch]

I will admit that for a few seconds, that Fitz TD was like a punch in the gut. During the TV Timeout I realized that there was still plenty of time left for Ben to drive the Steelers down and score.

Back on original topic: if I wanted a QB who could amass yards in a dome, I pick Manning. If I wanted a QB who is a leader, has a strong will and can win championships, I'll take Ben.

[Slaine]

I was amongst incredulous Steeler haters who were busy cheering against the Steelers and not rooting for the Cards so much...except for Fitz (younger folks do not root so much for teams these days...just players of the moment, in my experience).

I was actually pretty calm, knowing the crazy games the Steelers had pulled out that season, and told the folks to keep watching 'cause Ben was going to take them down the field and win the game....which he did. Many, many jaws were agape and/or death-rattling on the floor a few minutes later.

It was the same situation with us. The Sports Cafe in London was full of anti-Steelers. No Cards fans obviously. It was so much fun when Santonio pulled in that catch - particularly with the bar whore from Baltimore that had been a pain in the arse all night.

[Captain Jack]

I still believe that Payton Manning is the best QB ever.......in fantasy football.

[redundantman]

I still believe that Payton Manning is the best QB ever.......in fantasy football.

Zing!
He also does awesome commercials and allows himself to be dominated by such known sports demi-gods as Justin Timberlake. What's not to like?

[Stryker]

Brad Johnson

[SteelerFan448]

I will admit that for a few seconds, that Fitz TD was like a punch in the gut. During the TV Timeout I realized that there was still plenty of time left for Ben to drive the Steelers down and score.

It really was. But what was even more of a hit was the holding call on that drive. I had seen that script before, the times when we just didn't have it at the end of the game.

Back on original topic: if I wanted a QB who could amass yards in a dome, I pick Manning. If I wanted a QB who is a leader, has a strong will and can win championships, I'll take Ben.

Peyton Manning will go down as one of the top 2 passers ever. This past game does nothing to change that. However, when you start talking about all around quarterback, you have to consider the others who were not only very good passers, but winners. The bottom line is that all the media will ever look for in being a top QB is their passing stats, just look at how Drew Brees immediately was cemented as a top QB. Ben's qualities are usually ignored outside of a few articles because they aren't pretty. Regardless, I am extremely happy with our QB in the playoffs over anyone else. Hopefully he'll be in position to add more to his legacy next year.

[NickMaz]

Even though QB is the most important position, it isn't the only one. I watched Dan Fouts and Marino. Anybody that says that Doug Williams is even in the same zip code as them knows nothing about football. The QB can't do everything. Sometimes the defense, STs, Rbs, coaches, and playing against another great QB is to blame for them not winning a SB.

Ben is a great QB but he doesn't do it alone. Last year (08) the offense was below average but the defense won a few games and kept the Steelers in most of the games. We won the SB because the defense gave us a chance. Ben did his job when he needed to. That's the mark of a great QB. But all Qbs don't get that opportunity because other areas of the team fail.

Probably the most intelligent post I've read, so far, on this topic. Well said. Did Bradshaw win those SB's against Dallas because he was a better QB than Staubach? I don't think so. I think it was because other members of his team made plays in certain situations that gave Terry the better chance to win. His recievers caught the passes thrown to them in crucial situations and Staubach's sometimes didn't (Jackie Smith).

[jitter77]

Of these QBs which one has the highest career QB rating in the playoffs....Montana, Big Ben, Peyton Manning? The answer is Manning w/ 95.5 vs Montana w/ 95.3. Ben's QB rating is actually lower than Favres at 87.2 vs 87.3. Montana blows everyone out of the water w/ a 127.3 rating in SBs, but these numbers were still surprising to me. I realize QB ratings dont tell the whole story, but I think it shows Manning played well enough for his team to win.

[steelhorse]

I still believe that Payton Manning is the best QB ever.......in fantasy football.

Captain Jack I couldnt agree more. Best in everyones fantasy world, but I will take Ben in a clutch game any day!!