The Ben Thread IV: "Flounder" Roethlisberger Going Through Life Fat, Drunk and Stupid

[Edreed4prez]

I starting to wonder if Ben's not able to process the speed of the quick timing patterns as well now, when the play is designed as such. He instead succeeds on brute force and improvising. Yes, it's his trademark, but not the prototypical way any NFL team wants their QB to perform on the field.

Was he ever a good quick timing QB? You guys would know better than I would, but I seem to remember him always killing us with long scramble around plays.

[elfiero]

I can't buy into the whole "a good woman would stabilize Ben" theory. I mean, including this incident, he's already had three "come to Jesus" moments in his life. If he doesn't learn to protect himself from this sort of thing from now on, then the guy is dumber than a sock full of nickels. I mean, you would have thought the McNutty thing would have been enough. Look, I'm not saying don't go out and bang as much quiff as you can. Just try to be more careful. You are Big Ben. You have a $100 million contract. You've won two Super Bowls. EVERYONE knows who you are. Even 20 year old college co-eds that pretend they don't. I honestly think the guy needs to make these bitches sign a confidentiality/consent form. Really. He'll still get the pussy. When you are who Big Ben is, you need more protection than a rubber.

He needs to go out of the country in the off season drain his nuts and come back refreshed. I mentioned in the other thread how a lot of pro sport athletes and Hollywood types head off to certain countries in South America in the off season and do their thing, the locals don't care who you are or what you do as long as you have money to spend. I'm not condoning Ben's behavior I'm just saying if that's what you got to do do it discreetly, all the money a person could dream of and he's hanging out in Georgia....blows my mind.

[Diamond Dave]

Can't we all chip in and hire him a concubine? Her only job would be to follow Ben around (10 feet behind is close enough) and service him at any time or place of his choosing. We'll pay the girl, feed her, take her to get her hair and nails did - everything. Her only obligation is that when Ben snaps his fingers, she hits her knees and gets to work, no questions asked.

[steel shinin]

Okay, I am not defending Ben or trying to justify his actions. I'm am greatly disappointed in what Ben is becoming.

From his first days with the Steelers Ben used to wear the "PFJ" (Play for Jesus) moniker on his shoes I believe. His actions of late really seem to be taking him in another direction away from the faith he was raised in. If I heard correctly, Ben's family has recently stated, "This isn't him". They are just as dumbfounded by his actions.

So as it was suggested in the original thread by another poster, and forgive me for not remembering who stated it, maybe it's time to really sit Ben down and investigate his neurological problems.

I argued with people last year about Ben being "one good concussion" away from ending his career. And his life as "he" knows it, really. We have 4 girls in our gym with post concussion syndrome from 2 years ago. Only one of them hit her head while in our gym. The other three had accidents at school.

But the symptoms persist. They can be fine for weeks then all of a sudden, a skill will bring out the effects of the concussion from yesteryear. We shut them down immediately and make them get reevaluated by their Dr's.

Ben took a tremendous hit in that motorcycle accident. Almost 3 years ago some of you may remember that a friend of mine was basically killed in a motorcycle accident too. No helmet, he hit face first into a culvert sign and he miraculously survived. Well, today because of the "brain shearing" that he experienced, he is a different person. His judgement is clouded most times. He refused to continue on with his physical therapy to help deal with this brain injury and as it stands today, he will be getting a divorce because his wife can no longer handle his immature behavior.

One of the conditions of this man's therapy was to never have alcohol again in his life. The Dr warned him that alcohol could easily set him back in regards to the progress of his brain. It took 7 months and he went back on the alcohol. Precisely as the Dr warned, he has regressed from the drinking.

Looking at Ben we see he's not only had a traumatic head injury, but also factor in the other traumatic head injuries he received against the Falcons, the Ravens and the Browns. I cannot fathom for one second how Ben is truthfully able to pass his baseline tests, and how Dr. Maroon and company are let him on the field after these events. On top of the documented head injuries he's taken, we have to also factor in Ben's drinking habits. If my friend was warned not to drink, ever again, I'm willing to be the same advice would've been practical for Ben's head trauma. I have no idea of knowing if Ben was given this advice, however.

I am submitting that we all take a loooooooong hard look at the mental status of our $100 million quarterback and consider he's acting immature because mentally, he has become immature from a physical condition.

I worked in a personal care home for a year and half and had plenty of access to the dementia unit. These poor people regressed to teenage years in their minds. Not only were they acting like teenagers, they were carrying on past conversations from those very same teenage years they once lived.

Please look at these websites on brain shearing:
http://www.headinjury.com/tbitypes.htm

http://catalog.nucleusinc.com/displa...aph.php?MID=12

http://www.allabouttbi.com/

Some may ask how an athlete can still perform despite this type of injury. Ben is a professional first, and he's also a very tough man. Like professional boxers, these men are trained to ignore the pain and work in "instinct". The drills are called that for a reason. It is drilled into their total being so they instinctively react in a manner positive to their sport. It becomes impulse for them.

While Ben may be able to function "decent" in the field, I think we need to look at his play of late as well. Ben IMO has a hard time finding the receivers on most timing patterns. Ben is much better at improvising, which is what his college team allowed him to do. He is a backyard QB first and foremost, even though the Steelers were training him against those mechanisms when Whizenhunt was OC.

I starting to wonder if Ben's not able to process the speed of the quick timing patterns as well now, when the play is designed as such. He instead succeeds on brute force and improvising. Yes, it's his trademark, but not the prototypical way any NFL team wants their QB to perform on the field.

Every time Ben is hit HAS to be considered now that his career longevity is being drastically reduced upon impact with the ground or player. That is my opinion right now. His family certainly knows Ben best. While he may be an arrogant person inside, that may always have been his trait. But this exercisement of bad judgement, and his attitude of being "owed" things because of his status doesn't seem to be in line with the original, base version of Ben that first showed up in Steelers training camp.

The guy IS different. Something IS wrong. I'm not trying to be in denial about this. If he's guilty he needs to pay, it's that simple. But for the sake of his life and not his football career, someone in the Steelers organization should reexamine this guy's mental processors.

I am starting to suspect that all of Ben's head trauma is the root of Ben's immature behavior.

Sorry this was so long gang. As usual. lol

You pose a very compelling scenario here. In fact I think his symptoms from his accident and his subsequent concussions probably have affected him more than he or the Steelers are letting on. This is being VASTLY overlooked and could prove to be the real linchpin that ends his career.

Forget the charges or the misconduct.........Ben could be on a road to severe and permanent neurological damage. My biggest question is.......what was Ben like before the accident compared to now and how much of it can be attributed to just pure arrogance and how much of it can be viewed as an unusual personality change. The only people who would know are those closest to him......and even then they'd have to be honest with themselves and Ben about what's been going on.

[JAR]

Okay, I am not defending Ben or trying to justify his actions. I'm am greatly disappointed in what Ben is becoming.

From his first days with the Steelers Ben used to wear the "PFJ" (Play for Jesus) moniker on his shoes I believe. His actions of late really seem to be taking him in another direction away from the faith he was raised in. If I heard correctly, Ben's family has recently stated, "This isn't him". They are just as dumbfounded by his actions.

So as it was suggested in the original thread by another poster, and forgive me for not remembering who stated it, maybe it's time to really sit Ben down and investigate his neurological problems.

I argued with people last year about Ben being "one good concussion" away from ending his career. And his life as "he" knows it, really. We have 4 girls in our gym with post concussion syndrome from 2 years ago. Only one of them hit her head while in our gym. The other three had accidents at school.

But the symptoms persist. They can be fine for weeks then all of a sudden, a skill will bring out the effects of the concussion from yesteryear. We shut them down immediately and make them get reevaluated by their Dr's.

Ben took a tremendous hit in that motorcycle accident. Almost 3 years ago some of you may remember that a friend of mine was basically killed in a motorcycle accident too. No helmet, he hit face first into a culvert sign and he miraculously survived. Well, today because of the "brain shearing" that he experienced, he is a different person. His judgement is clouded most times. He refused to continue on with his physical therapy to help deal with this brain injury and as it stands today, he will be getting a divorce because his wife can no longer handle his immature behavior.

One of the conditions of this man's therapy was to never have alcohol again in his life. The Dr warned him that alcohol could easily set him back in regards to the progress of his brain. It took 7 months and he went back on the alcohol. Precisely as the Dr warned, he has regressed from the drinking.

Looking at Ben we see he's not only had a traumatic head injury, but also factor in the other traumatic head injuries he received against the Falcons, the Ravens and the Browns. I cannot fathom for one second how Ben is truthfully able to pass his baseline tests, and how Dr. Maroon and company are let him on the field after these events. On top of the documented head injuries he's taken, we have to also factor in Ben's drinking habits. If my friend was warned not to drink, ever again, I'm willing to be the same advice would've been practical for Ben's head trauma. I have no idea of knowing if Ben was given this advice, however.

I am submitting that we all take a loooooooong hard look at the mental status of our $100 million quarterback and consider he's acting immature because mentally, he has become immature from a physical condition.

I worked in a personal care home for a year and half and had plenty of access to the dementia unit. These poor people regressed to teenage years in their minds. Not only were they acting like teenagers, they were carrying on past conversations from those very same teenage years they once lived.

Please look at these websites on brain shearing:
http://<a href="http://www.headinjur...itypes.htm</a>

http://<a href="http://catalog.nucle...php?MID=12</a>

http://<a href="http://www.allaboutt...uttbi.com/</a>

Some may ask how an athlete can still perform despite this type of injury. Ben is a professional first, and he's also a very tough man. Like professional boxers, these men are trained to ignore the pain and work in "instinct". The drills are called that for a reason. It is drilled into their total being so they instinctively react in a manner positive to their sport. It becomes impulse for them.

While Ben may be able to function "decent" in the field, I think we need to look at his play of late as well. Ben IMO has a hard time finding the receivers on most timing patterns. Ben is much better at improvising, which is what his college team allowed him to do. He is a backyard QB first and foremost, even though the Steelers were training him against those mechanisms when Whizenhunt was OC.

I starting to wonder if Ben's not able to process the speed of the quick timing patterns as well now, when the play is designed as such. He instead succeeds on brute force and improvising. Yes, it's his trademark, but not the prototypical way any NFL team wants their QB to perform on the field.

Every time Ben is hit HAS to be considered now that his career longevity is being drastically reduced upon impact with the ground or player. That is my opinion right now. His family certainly knows Ben best. While he may be an arrogant person inside, that may always have been his trait. But this exercisement of bad judgement, and his attitude of being "owed" things because of his status doesn't seem to be in line with the original, base version of Ben that first showed up in Steelers training camp.

The guy IS different. Something IS wrong. I'm not trying to be in denial about this. If he's guilty he needs to pay, it's that simple. But for the sake of his life and not his football career, someone in the Steelers organization should reexamine this guy's mental processors.

I am starting to suspect that all of Ben's head trauma is the root of Ben's immature behavior.

Sorry this was so long gang. As usual. lol

Just because someone has PFJ on their shoes doesn't mean they would never do anything wrong, I mean look at all of the priests.......

[GoSteelers]

On the plus side, if he's looking for a nice girl I hear Coolie has one tied up on his shed.

he has two or three tied up, but they are the blow up kind. no resistance when he attacks.

[Miller83]

SteelrzGirl, so you like ugly, fat men, so are you saying I have a chance ?

[FAB802]

I'll volunteer. I think thats what I do at my job now anyways.

So you've located the prime parking lot in Texas?

[SteelRose]

I think Khruu is saying that Ben should plead temporary insanity resulting from a previous head injury..if he gets arrested and this goes to court.....

Oh course that doesn't explain the "fat" part........

[ronburgundy]

Can't we all chip in and hire him a concubine? Her only job would be to follow Ben around (10 feet behind is close enough) and service him at any time or place of his choosing. We'll pay the girl, feed her, take her to get her hair and nails did - everything. Her only obligation is that when Ben snaps his fingers, she hits her knees and gets to work, no questions asked.

The Moonlight Bunny Ranch does have the "Jesse Ventura Room" after all.....

http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6425,8206184

[Spike]

jibber jabber




http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/...hru-03-10-0335

Steelers' Colon not a witness

Associated Press

NEW YORK - Pittsburgh Steelers tackle Willie Colon was with teammate Ben Roethlisberger on the night the quarterback was accused of sexual assault in a Georgia club, but did not witness anything, Colon's agent said Wednesday.

Colon was at the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Ga., last Friday, for a birthday party for Roethlisberger. But Joe Linta, Colon's agent, said in a telephone interview that Colon was on the dance floor and not close by when Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a 20-year-old college student.

"Willie, although he was in the building, had no knowledge of the incident and his name should not be brought up about this incident again," Linta said. "The first knowledge he had was when he was stopped when leaving the place to be asked some questions."

----------------------

"I see nothing!"

[Hawkeye]

I bet Schultz had better feet than Colon and would have been better protecting Ben against the pass rush.

[Superman]

I'll volunteer. I think thats what I do at my job now anyways.

Korea will scratch your goddamn eyeballs out

[ronburgundy]

I bet Schultz had better feet than Colon and would have been better protecting Ben against the pass rush.

Probably draw less penalties too.

[TC237]

...I can guarantee this will be the last straw for them and they will make sure BR knows it...

What are the Rooney's gonna do? Cut Roethilsberger?
Laughable. Rooney's won't do [FILTH].
Sure they'll talk tough in the media but there is nothing they can threaten him with.
If they call him to the carpet and threaten him he can spit in their face and walk out of the room.
If they cut him he is starting QB for another team within the hour.
Absolute worst case possible he get's cut and never plays football again, so what, it hurts Rooney more than Ben, he has the money, they have Charlie Batch.
When Roethlisberger's Steeler career is finally over, whenever that is, that team doesn't win a SB for another 25 years.
And the Rooney's know it.

[blegursky]

You`re assuming he would be faithful to the concubine.

[Spike]

Here we go... a little light reading

Details emerge in Roethlisberger's night out

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...nt_671613.html

By Carl Prine
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, March 14, 2010

EATONTON, Ga. -- Shortly after 9 p.m. on March 4, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger turned to Heath Burton and told the restaurant owner that he was going to do something he'd never done before: Drive to tiny Milledgeville.

"He told me he'd never been down there," said Burton, owner of the posh Eenoco Japanese Steak & Sushi restaurant a few miles from Roethlisberger's mansion in the Reynolds Plantation resort.

After a 45-minute drive to the home of Georgia College & State University, Roethlisberger indulged in a few hours of bar hopping -- complete with Big Ben holding court in the VIP room of the popular Capital City nightclub. The fun ended soon after a 20-year-old woman told a Milledgeville patrolman at 2:30 a.m. March 5 that Roethlisberger, 28, had sexually assaulted her there.

The ongoing criminal investigation into Roethlisberger's conduct that night and a flood of national media washing over the seat of Baldwin County are revealing in greater detail the cloistered world of a National Football League icon known not only for his two Super Bowl rings, but also two allegations of sexual assault.

In Georgia, it all began with Roethlisberger and his posse of beefy buddies dining at the sushi restaurant near his mansion in the Great Waters section of the 14,000-acre resort.

"People approach him here, but this is a laid-back restaurant," Burton said. "Ben is really a nice guy, and I'm happy when he and his friends come in."

No. 7's faves: Firecracker roll -- spicy tuna, cream cheese and crab -- washed down with Japanese rice wine, called sake, or cold Bud Light.

On Memorial Day, he treated his offensive line to dinner here.

For guests, he buys top-shelf tequila, typically Patron, whether he's at the Ritz Carlton Lodge at Reynolds Plantation or Long Shot's, the sports bar just outside Great Waters.

"He loves to buy Patron. I don't know that I've ever seen him drink it, but he loves to buy it for his friends -- and those big ol' boys like it," said the tavern's owner, Shawn Wiggins.

"He's always a nice guy. Very sociable. But he doesn't like a lot of people hounding him. He comes in a few times a year and will bring his offensive line. They're great guys, too. We've never had a problem with them."

ANOTHER VIEW

While bistro owners have one view of the celebrity, some of the service employees who talked to the Trib had different opinions. Fearing for their jobs, they didn't want to talk about them on the record.

Their stories seemed similar to what Lake Tahoe restaurant manager Alvaro Brito has alleged in a lawsuit percolating through the Nevada courts.

In September, Brito's attorney alleged Roethlisberger got him fired for seeking identification of a 27-year-old woman seated with the quarterback and "several very large males, one or more of whom is believed to be a bodyguard or bodyguards."

Born in Mexico but an American citizen, Brito claims that Roethlisberger and his party "mocked, made fun and mimicked" his accent and that one of the men "intentionally bumped" him. Brito alleges that his boss, a Steelers' fan and golfing buddy of Roethlisberger, terminated his employment when Big Ben got mad.

Citing the ongoing lawsuit, Brito declined to talk to the Trib. So did managers at the resort where he once worked.

Roethlisberger wasn't named in the lawsuit.

The quarterback, however, is the subject of a lawsuit filed by a female Harrah's hotel employee who claims he sexually assaulted her in 2008. Roethlisberger has strongly denied the allegations.

So has his newest attorney, Atlanta lawyer Ed Garland, who insists Big Ben will be cleared in Milledgeville, too. Garland declined to comment for this story.

Garland has promised to arrange for Roethlisberger to meet with police and provide them with a DNA sample. Authorities won't say when that will be.

Party at the The Brick

Milledgeville students, bartenders and waitresses put Roethlisberger and his entourage -- estimated by witnesses to be from seven to nine other large men -- at The Velvet Elvis after 10 p.m. March 4.

He was wearing a black T-shirt emblazoned with the fiery image of Satan. Two of his chums were vacationing Coraopolis police Officer Anthony Barravecchio and Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ed Joyner. Another was Steelers offensive lineman Willie Colon, who left with Roethlisberger after 11 p.m. to drink Patron tequila at The Brick bar across Han**** Street.

"I was walking down the sidewalk, and someone calls out, 'Big Ben is at The Brick.' I went to have a look. He had a group of big guys around him," said Scott Thompson, 24, a Georgia College & State University senior.

"They were all big. Ben looked pretty calm."

Thompson had seen Roethlisberger before, on Lake Oconee, where the public can take to the water alongside motorboats piloted by the rich and famous living in Roethlisberger's Great Waters development.

"We were near a sand bar," Thompson said. "His friends were with him. We call them the 'linemen' because they're so big. They stared at us, turned around and went away. They like their privacy."

At The Brick, Roethlisberger's large chums ensured that fans and the merely curious were kept at a distance. Thompson and a dozen other witnesses, however, said that some women were allowed into the circle to toast tequila he bought for them at the bar.

Whether she drank or not, a 20-year-old sophomore was there with a small group of friends. Friends and fellow students described her as a smart sorority sister from the Atlanta suburbs who helped raise money for charity.

Fateful meeting

Witnesses said Roethlisberger and the woman were first noticed near each other around 11 p.m. at The Brick, but it's unclear whether she had been admitted into the inner sanctum at that point.

She also was at Buffington's with him, but, again, it remains unclear whether she was the object of any special attention. There were a lot of people hanging around him, coming and going for photos and autographs, especially young women.

At Capital City, she was among the women selected to go into the VIP lounge, but some of her friends weren't. They stayed on the dance floor.

The woman has not commented about the incident. Her family has hired Atlanta attorney Lee Parks to represent her. He didn't return telephone calls.

The Trib doesn't name alleged victims of sexual assault.

While most Milledgeville residents have been fixated on other issues -- a slumping economy, rolling layoffs, a murder suspect on the loose -- students at George College & State University, a public liberal arts institution known for its academics, largely have rallied around the alleged victim.

"Every woman our age has been in bad situations with men, only not always to this extreme," said Jennifer Noice, 21, a former sorority sister to the young woman. "Whether you have been attacked or you were made very uncomfortable, that sort of moment affects you.

"It has a lasting effect. It hurts people. All the things people say about 'she is just a small-town woman who wants money' are so far from the truth. We support her because we know her."

The Capital City

After leaving The Brick in the waning hours of March 4, students milled near Roethlisberger as he held court in Buffington's, a bar named for the county's first tavern. Students described him as affable, a man who mugged for their cell-phone cameras, even taking time to pose with on- and off-duty Milledgeville police officers.

Roethlisberger's party walked east down Hancock Street to briefly glance into Amici's, but the drinking hole was packed, the students inside hopping to a live band.

After midnight, the Roethlisberger party ended up where hundreds of students at GCSU and the nearby Georgia Military College go on Thursdays, the busiest night for drinking and dancing: The Capital City -- a hard right off Hancock Street and a short stroll down South Wayne Street. Like most of downtown's boulevards, The Capital City is named for a Revolutionary War hero.

About 2:30 a.m., the woman told police she had been sexually assaulted in what's normally a locked staff bathroom a dozen or more paces away from the "VIP" room.

Until last call before 2 a.m., the Roethlisberger party had been encamped in the dark lounge that's really a small hall with a stage, a couple of couches near the glass window from the main bar. Students said that young women rotated in and out of the room, which is fenced off from the dance floor by a thin black curtain. No men outside the entourage were allowed inside.

The owners, who live in an apartment above the dance club, were out of town that night. They also run the restaurant downstairs, Chops. They've hired their own lawyer, prominent local defense attorney Carl Cansino, but they've faced no charges or lawsuits stemming from the alleged incident.

Cansino and other attorneys say the probe conducted by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Department could take weeks, maybe months.

[Mitzki5]

Didn't see posted yet.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/14/ben-ro...otos-pictures/

[Turbo Pig]

Ben a Polooza... Really? WTF! How old is Ben?

[omar10213245]

Ben a Polooza... Really? WTF! How old is Ben?

give me a break. if this whole episode with the girl never goes down, this wouldn't even be mentioned. and if it were, no one would really give a [FILTH], including you. most fans would be of the "ooooh that's our ben, such a clowny guy, always partyin it up!" variety.