Why all the hate for Jones?

[TMC]

Here is the thing, the draft is a gamble. Always is. Some choices appear better than others. I would not have picked Jones. Too many things about him that turned me off. In my pre-draft discussions with other guys on here that get in the film, we all kind of felt the same way. Could he bust? Sure. Could he turn out? Sure. If you are sold on him, fine. I am not. His big plus was his production. But, his production, namely sacks, did come in bunches. Maybe it was him just whipping that player. Maybe they schemed it. I did not like his pro day numbers. Scary bad. Not just the 40, but all the way around, very pedestrian. Kiss of death? Not completely, plenty have overcome bad numbers. Did not like his film either. Hard worker, feisty, relentless even, just lacks explosion, technique, power, burst, etc. Crafty guy with contact, slipped off some things....did not work against better competition though, like Kouandjio, but he will likely be a top 15 tackle next season. Would have liked to see him play A&M against Joekel. Did not happen. All in all, very iffy pick for me.

With that said, he could develop. He could be fine. I just am not going to sell a bill of goods here and make him into more than he is. This is a risky pick. If he turns out, it will be because of his determination and drive, which he has by the bucket load.

[thesteelcity]

That's kinda how I feel about him, TMC. What I read and watched of him doesn't WOW me, but he certainly has the potential to be a workhorse. Then again, he could be mediocre to bad, too. Could go either way. As a person, he a good guy and he did put up some good numbers at UGA, but it remains to be seen if he can do it in the NFL. I hope he does and is a staple for a long time in B&G. Reminds me of the Alonzo Jackson pick. Wasn't crazy about it then and still keeps me up at night. He could have gone either way and never "got it". Trying to be optimistic about Jarvis. Will support him on Sundays. He's a Steeler.

[Got Caught Steelin']

Wow. I had not realized that. I wonder why they did not bring him in and test him in OUR system like they do all the other draft picks.

The "raw talent" does not appear to be there. The "raw talent" or athleticism is what is measured at the combine or pro day, you know, the day where Jarvis Jones ran and jumped like a 350 pound lineman and benched like a DB.

Timed speed is bullshit and you know it. Lots of guys time slow and run fast on the field.

Exactly when and where did this guy line up with our starting players against another team in the NFL? When and where did that happen, site me time and location. Then and only then will we know what this kid can do in our system. That's how guys like Harrison get on coming out of places like Kent State. They get on the field and can just play. Who gives a rat's ass about his shuttle cone time?

You're ripping a kid you have not seen play in the Black and Gold. Have a little faith, TMC. Y'all are depressing me with all this damn negativity...

[SCSteeler4life]

There have been plenty of players that have sucked at the combine (Suggs for example) and have had long careers in the NFL. There has also been guys that have had great combine numbers that suck in the NFL. There are always hit and misses. I will wait and judge when they start playing games.

How did all of those draft gurus and combine experts miss so bad on Harrison and Brady for example ?

[fogdoctor]

Timed speed is bullshit and you know it. Lots of guys time slow and run fast on the field.

Exactly when and where did this guy line up with our starting players against another team in the NFL? When and where did that happen, site me time and location. Then and only then will we know what this kid can do in our system. That's how guys like Harrison get on coming out of places like Kent State. They get on the field and can just play. Who gives a rat's ass about his shuttle cone time?

You're ripping a kid you have not seen play in the Black and Gold. Have a little faith, TMC. Y'all are depressing me with all this damn negativity...

Players that have poor measurables tend to be poor NFL players. This is the sole reason for the existence / development of the combine. You can find an exception that bucks the trend here and there but make no mistake about it - they are exceptions. Im not saying that just because you have good numbers that you will be a good NFL player; rather, your numbers should be consistent with your college performance numbers.

If it were me: poor measureables + great stats = player I not touch in the first 2, probably 3 rounds. Harrison is not a good example because he was not an NFL player out of college. It took him YEARS to develop before he saw the field in the NFL. Even in college, he did not even start until his junior year and I think only had 1 really good year as a senior.

[Vader]

There have been plenty of players that have sucked at the combine (Suggs for example) and have had long careers in the NFL. There has also been guys that have had great combine numbers that suck in the NFL. There are always hit and misses. I will wait and judge when they start playing games.

How did all of those draft gurus and combine experts miss so bad on Harrison and Brady for example ?

It took Harrison years to catch on to the defense. Would you draft him in the 1st round knowing that it won't be until his 4th year until he can start? Also players like Brady happen so infrequently that it is almost impossible to find a HOF QB in the 6th round these days. It's called percentages. For every Brady there are hundreds of no named QBs. Just look at the best QBs in the NFL now. Ben, Manning I, Manning II, RG III, Luck, Rogers, Ryan, and even Flacco were drafted in the first round. Sometimes players slip through but not very many.

[Got Caught Steelin']

Players that have poor measurables tend to be poor NFL players. This is the sole reason for the existence / development of the combine. You can find an exception that bucks the trend here and there but make no mistake about it - they are exceptions. Im not saying that just because you have good numbers that you will be a good NFL player; rather, your numbers should be consistent with your college performance numbers.

If it were me: poor measureables + great stats = player I not touch in the first 2, probably 3 rounds. Harrison is not a good example because he was not an NFL player out of college. It took him YEARS to develop before he saw the field in the NFL. Even in college, he did not even start until his junior year and I think only had 1 really good year as a senior.

I worry more, with this guy, about the things said about his technique. That does give me pause. Combine numbers can mean all kinds of stuff, and how many combine superheros turn out to be duds? A shit ton.

More to the theme of my point: when did this board become such a downer? Everybody's looking to shit on THE STEELERS. We are

THE ONLY SIX TIME WORLD CHAMPS

Wake the fuck up people! This is a STEELERS board. It reads like a fucking CLEVELAND SHITSTAINS BOARD. This is our team and our players. Get with the fucking program!

[skialta]

wave your pom poms homey...
there are legitimate reasons for questioning the pick.
it's a fucking message board... what do you expect?

[Got Caught Steelin']

wave your pom poms homey...
there are legitimate reasons for questioning the pick.
it's a fucking message board... what do you expect?

Goddam right. And where are yours?

Do soldiers sit in the fox hole complaining about the lack of air support? No.'

WE SHOOT AT THE FUCKING ENEMY!

[EdReed4Prez]

Goddam right. And where are yours?

Do soldiers sit in the fox hole complaining about the lack of air support? No.'

WE SHOOT AT THE FUCKING ENEMY!

I'd bet they still ask about the air support.

[skialta]

Goddam right. And where are yours?

Do soldiers sit in the fox hole complaining about the lack of air support? No.'

WE SHOOT AT THE FUCKING ENEMY!

so...in summary...
i should never question anything that the steelers ever do.
you know...just because i'm in some imaginary fox hole?

[fogdoctor]

Kellen Winslow? Is that you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X60mrYO1UU

[skialta]

that clip is exactly what i thought of when i read that bullshit

[Got Caught Steelin']

I'd bet they still ask about the air support.

STFU with your common sense while I'm trying to make a rhetorical point here! (yes they would and do)

so...in summary...
i should never question anything that the steelers ever do.
you know...just because i'm in some imaginary fox hole?

This board was not always gloom and doom like this. We are the six time champs. We're less than 3 years from our last Superbowl appearance. There are STORIED historical franchises that have never been to the Superbowl.

Hello Cleveland!

Hello Detroit!

I mean damn. I talk major shit to every football fan I come across about how badass my Steelers are. And TMC. I'm surprised at that guy. His signature, which was the best on the internet, said in itallic letters: CRUSHING THE COMPETITION. What the hell happened to THAT guy? Now it's all bad omens and scary shadows with him.

Where's the fucking pride, man? The bravado that made this board so much fun to post on? FUCK THE SHITSTAINS! That was the good shit. Now we're all throwing grenades in our own hooches and fragging our officers. It's bullshit.

THE ENEMY IS THAT WAY FELLAS!

[SCSteeler4life]

It took Harrison years to catch on to the defense. Would you draft him in the 1st round knowing that it won't be until his 4th year until he can start? Also players like Brady happen so infrequently that it is almost impossible to find a HOF QB in the 6th round these days. It's called percentages. For every Brady there are hundreds of no named QBs. Just look at the best QBs in the NFL now. Ben, Manning I, Manning II, RG III, Luck, Rogers, Ryan, and even Flacco were drafted in the first round. Sometimes players slip through but not very many.

It goes both ways. Look at your Luck's and JaMarcus Russels. It's a total crap shoot. Let's just hope we roll 7's more than snake eyes.

[skialta]

STFU with your common sense while I'm trying to make a rhetorical point here! (yes they would and do)



This board was not always gloom and doom like this. We are the six time champs. We're less than 3 years from our last Superbowl appearance. There are STORIED historical franchises that have never been to the Superbowl.

Hello Cleveland!

Hello Detroit!

I mean damn. I talk major shit to every football fan I come across about how badass my Steelers are. And TMC. I'm surprised at that guy. His signature, which was the best on the internet, said in itallic letters: CRUSHING THE COMPETITION. What the hell happened to THAT guy? Now it's all bad omens and scary shadows with him.

Where's the fucking pride, man? The bravado that made this board so much fun to post on? FUCK THE SHITSTAINS! That was the good shit. Now we're all throwing grenades in our own hooches and fragging our officers. It's bullshit.

THE ENEMY IS THAT WAY FELLAS!

you're mistaking common sense, and rational thinking...for doom and gloom. nobody here is shunning the franchise...there are legitimate questions that we aren't sure of.
actually...the more i think about it, fuck it.
you're right.
we hate the steelers if we question any move they make.
nevermind

[Steelerfan]

Goddam right. And where are yours?

Do soldiers sit in the fox hole complaining about the lack of air support? No.'

WE SHOOT AT THE FUCKING ENEMY!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!!!!!!!!!

[thesteelcity]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!!!!!!!!!

let him go, he's on a roll. . .

[BungleStainRatbirdKilla]

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!!!!!!!!!!!

Now what kind of moran doesn't know it was the Japanese?

[thesteelcity]

how old are you BungleStain and what is a moran?