Rd. 4 Landry Jones Qb

[tapeANaspirin2it]

The Steelers had talked about drafting Bray as early as the 4th so obviously they had Jones ranked higher on their board and grabbed him. He'll be groomed for about 4 to 5 seasons and get his shot. Ben will be about 36 then which usually is about the time of retirement. Not really a surprise pick.

If Landry is being groomed to start 4 or 5 years from now, that means he will be on his second contract. That means if he's any good he will demand starter's money. So do you let him walk or do you give starter's money to a guy who has rarely played and just assume he will take over for Ben?

You don't draft your QB of the future unless your QB of the future only has 2-3 years left.

When will all this development magically happen? Backups get almost no reps once camp is over. That is why veteran guys like Batch keep jobs for so long. He can get thrown in there on short notice and not be in over his head.

Unless the Steelers intend to trade or cut Ben within the next 2 years, the 4th round was too steep a price for a bench warmer who likely won't even dress for games.

I don't even like the QB pick in RD 4 if it was a QB i liked. Landry Jones was a QB i didn't want in any round. He's a system QB with happy feet like Gabbert. It's hard to break a QB out of that.

[Turbo Pig]

If we had Bray rated that close to Jones and still made the pick, we are really dumb...

[obx steeler]

Seem's to me I've been reading a huge number of posts the last 2 years that we are doomed unless we draft a QB to back up Ben. Now we are drafting one to early. Guess we should wait till the 6th and get someone like Brady.

[Steelers1356]

If Landry is being groomed to start 4 or 5 years from now, that means he will be on his second contract. That means if he's any good he will demand starter's money. So do you let him walk or do you give starter's money to a guy who has rarely played and just assume he will take over for Ben?

You don't draft your QB of the future unless your QB of the future only has 2-3 years left.

When will all this development magically happen? Backups get almost no reps once camp is over. That is why veteran guys like Batch keep jobs for so long. He can get thrown in there on short notice and not be in over his head.

Unless the Steelers intend to trade or cut Ben within the next 2 years, the 4th round was too steep a price for a bench warmer who likely won't even dress for games.

I don't even like the QB pick in RD 4 if it was a QB i liked. Landry Jones was a QB i didn't want in any round. He's a system QB with happy feet like Gabbert. It's hard to break a QB out of that.

He can't demand starters money until he actually starts. He'll be restricted after his first contract. That buys the Steelers time. Then he'll stay since he has a chance to start here likely for a short contract. If he works out you extend him. You groom him for a few seasons. Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench until his 4th season backing up Favre, how do they groom QB's in practice? Don't know, but they must be practicing real game simulation some how.

[Turbo Pig]

Seem's to me I've been reading a huge number of posts the last 2 years that we are doomed unless we draft a QB to back up Ben. Now we are drafting one to early. Guess we should wait till the 6th and get someone like Brady.

or wait til the 7th and get Bray (who apparently the Steelers rated just behind Jones) or Renfree... Both of which are better than Jones

[tapeANaspirin2it]

He can't demand starters money until he actually starts. He'll be restricted after his first contract. That buys the Steelers time. Then he'll stay since he has a chance to start here likely for a short contract. If he works out you extend him. You groom him for a few seasons. Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench until his 4th season backing up Favre, how do they groom QB's in practice? Don't know, but they must be practicing real game simulation some how.

Restricted like Sanders was? Steelers nearly lost him and would have if the Pats really wanted him. If Landry is any good they will have to give him a high tender and pay him significant money before he ever starts.

Rodgers is a completely different situation. He was a 1st round pick and was seen as a possible 1st overall pick. Also, Favre was 36 when Rodgers was drafted. He was drafted for the sole purpose of replacing Favre. Ben is only 31.

Do you plan on giving Landry a new contract when Ben is 34? At that point, the assumption would be Landry is being signed to take over for Ben so you can bet your ass he'd demand starter money, or at least a contract that has incentives that give him a big raise or void the contract if he starts.

[obx steeler]

or wait til the 7th and get Bray (who apparently the Steelers rated just behind Jones) or Renfree... Both of which are better than Jones

Not sure why you rate Bray/Renfree better than Jones. Certainly not college production. If it's opinion I remember when a lot of NFL experts rated Leaf ahead of Manning. But we're talking a 4th rd. potential backup so you probably base it on the guy with the most correctable faults. If you are talking Ben's relacement in kind history says that probably takes a top 10 pick and a lot of luck.

[WVsteelerfan]

This pick was nothing but a youth movement for the back up position. Ben still has 4 good years left and maybe a few where he hangs around too long like most franchise type QB's do. This also gives the scout team fresh youthful legs for practice everyday to chase around.

[blitzburghv5]

Landry was NOT drafted to be the starter NOW. He was drafted to be a QUALITY backup for now and possibly groomed for the future to be a starter.

As of this moment Ben is the franchise starter, Gradkowski is the backup because hes got the reps and experience over Landry Jones. As of now we are definitely no worse in the backup QB role than when we had Batch and Arnold (Lefty).

If Bray were so much better, why didnt he get drafted ? 31 other GMs/Scouting teams werent impressed either.

[SteelerAl]

See the 2011 Chicago Bears. They were cruising towards the playoffs and then Cutler broke a finger...promising season over in an instant. While this team has a lot of needs, I don't think you can ever put too much emphasis on the QB position. Especially when your starter takes a lot of hits and it's hard to project him staying healthy for 16 games. I am definitely willing to pay the price of a 4th round draft pick to get a guy the FO thinks could develop into a quality QB. This is a guy who could save our season in 2014 or 2015 if Ben has to miss 4-6 games.

Everyone on this board threw a hissy fit last November because Tomlin and Colbert refused to upgrade the backup QB position beyond the two old men. Now another hissy fit when they do want you wanted...

[SteelerAl]

Restricted like Sanders was? Steelers nearly lost him and would have if the Pats really wanted him. If Landry is any good they will have to give him a high tender and pay him significant money before he ever starts.

Rodgers is a completely different situation. He was a 1st round pick and was seen as a possible 1st overall pick. Also, Favre was 36 when Rodgers was drafted. He was drafted for the sole purpose of replacing Favre. Ben is only 31.

Do you plan on giving Landry a new contract when Ben is 34? At that point, the assumption would be Landry is being signed to take over for Ben so you can bet your ass he'd demand starter money, or at least a contract that has incentives that give him a big raise or void the contract if he starts.

I thought going forward there is no such thing as a restricted free agent? Isn't it part of the new CBA that all draft picks sign a 4-year deal (excluding 1st rounders who sign longer deals)?

[Steelz]

I think it's pretty safe to say this isn't the QB the Steelers wanted... I'm almost certain they had a plan to jump in front of the Raiders to take Nassib, grab him with 4a then grab Shamarko with 4b, but it was a shock to everyone when the Giants took Nassib first.. by then they had no other choice because it was bottom of the barrel after this guy.

[SteelerAl]

I think it's pretty safe to say this isn't the QB the Steelers wanted... I'm almost certain they had a plan to jump in front of the Raiders to take Nassib, grab him with 4a then grab Shamarko with 4b, but it was a shock to everyone when the Giants took Nassib first.. by then they had no other choice because it was bottom of the barrel after this guy.

You keep posting this, but it's complete conjecture. It's pretty safe to say you are talking out of your ass.

[Steelers1356]

Rodgers is a completely different situation. He was a 1st round pick and was seen as a possible 1st overall pick. Also, Favre was 36 when Rodgers was drafted. He was drafted for the sole purpose of replacing Favre. Ben is only 31.

I was more addressing your insistence that QB's can't be groomed sitting on the bench.

[Steelz]

You keep posting this, but it's complete conjecture. It's pretty safe to say you are talking out of your ass.

It makes a lot more sense the way I put it than the reach we made for Landry Jones. Do I know for a fact what the Steelers had in mind? No. But I do know for a fact Colbert said he thought Nassib was the best QB in the draft and I do know for a fact Landry would have been there round 5 and Shamarko would have been there at the Steelers pick in round 4... So obviously they moved up for something.

[FAB802]

So, you believe they move up to draft a particular QB, he gets picked ahead of us and they just say what the Hell we'll just take another QB? That's ridiculous. I see them falling in love with players and reaching a little bit, this stuff though is a reach to say the least.

[Steelz]

I could be wrong who knows what the Steelers really intended to do.. but that's what I would've done and the first thing that came to mind. And yes it's possible the Steelers already had a deal in place with buffalo to move up before the Giants already picked, they don't get a lot of time to negotiate in round 4 it was probably done before hand. But who know, maybe the Steelers really did want Landry Jones.

[tapeANaspirin2it]

One more thing. Landry is already 24. So if Ben plays another 4 years, we're looking at 28 year old Landry Jones making his first starts. Maybe we will have to take another QB next year to groom as Landry's replacement.

[Ron Burgundy]

Landry was NOT drafted to be the starter NOW. He was drafted to be a QUALITY backup for now and possibly groomed for the future to be a starter.

As of this moment Ben is the franchise starter, Gradkowski is the backup because hes got the reps and experience over Landry Jones. As of now we are definitely no worse in the backup QB role than when we had Batch and Arnold (Lefty).

And how many times were the Steelers starting their #3 QB in the past few years?

[antdrewjosh]

It makes a lot more sense the way I put it than the reach we made for Landry Jones. Do I know for a fact what the Steelers had in mind? No. But I do know for a fact Colbert said he thought Nassib was the best QB in the draft and I do know for a fact Landry would have been there round 5 and Shamarko would have been there at the Steelers pick in round 4... So obviously they moved up for something.

Can you tell me the lotto numbers for NJ tonight too. Thanks.

Also can you provide a link where Colbert stated Nassib was the best QB in the draft.