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    Del or TMC have you watched any film on this guy who we bought in for a visit.

    EWU edge Samson Ebukam is very popular since terrific Pro Day (4.45, 39" VJ at 6-2, 240). 12 pre-draft visits, incl. PITT today, GB tomorrow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troglodyte View Post
    The Steelers have spent the past decade putting players around Ben, maybe one more will put them over the Pats, maybe it will be in vein. If you had the choice of one more Championship or a 12-15 year franchise successor to Ben, which would you take? I suspect the people who remember the 12-15 years post-Bradshaw may answer differently than those who do not.

    I don't think Ben is Favre. I don't think he's still playing on opening day 2019.
    Actually, the Steelers have NOT spent the last decade putting players around Ben. They were doing just fine up to the 2009 season. Up to that point, the salary cap had risen roughly 8% each year. The 2010 year was uncapped, but the Steelers operated as though it was still a capped season, estimating it at roughly $133 million. Then, the 2011 salary cap should have been @$138 million. It was not. Because of the new CBA, the salary cap was reduced to $120 million. The Steelers were forced to restructure and release players. That season, they released ARE, Flozell Adams, and Max Starks. Then, in 2012, they were again in a crunch and released James Farrior, Chris Kemoeatu, Aaron Smith, and Hines Ward. In 2013, they released James Harrison and Willie Colon. That does not include all the players they had to watch leave via free agency and all the free agents they could not afford during the time frame. In fact, this is the first off season since 2011 where the Steelers are not working the salary cap in an effort to get complaint. How in the world can that be considered putting players around Ben? They were surviving with Ben at QB.

    Maybe they do not even face the Pats in the playoffs. If I thought there was a 12-15 year franchise successor to Ben in this draft, I'd have no problem taking him. But, history dictates that when you draft 30th, it is pretty unlikely that you get a franchise QB at that point or after unless you are in a strong QB draft class. We are not.

    I remember the post-Bradshaw years. I remember making a lowB repuS with Neil O'Donnell. I remember almost making one with Kordell Stewart. I also remember the Ravens winning one with Trent Dilfer.

    If Ben isn't playing on opening day in 2019, then he better be prepared to write a check, because it will be owed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antdrewjosh View Post
    Del or TMC have you watched any film on this guy who we bought in for a visit.

    EWU edge Samson Ebukam is very popular since terrific Pro Day (4.45, 39" VJ at 6-2, 240). 12 pre-draft visits, incl. PITT today, GB tomorrow
    Watch for Ebukam to go much higher than most expect. I'm thinking he fits in the 4th, might go as high as the 3rd. I first watched him in the FCS Championship game. It was Youngstown State (Rivers and Avery Moss) VS Eastern Washington (Cooper Kupp), and Ebukam jumps out. I mean, they moved him all around. He plays as a down DT, DE, standing DE/OLB, ILB, over the slot...just move him all over the place. I checked his size and they listed him at 6'2"-229 I think. My initial thought was, maybe he can play ILB and be a nickel/dime backer because he is pretty good in coverage. He can run with some receivers, especially on shorter routes. Good in zone too. He is an aggressive blitzer, can get knocked off balance at times, but not because he lacks power, more because he comes in out of control, like his hair is on fire, and will end up stumbling and slipping. His speed to power bull is impressive. He has a nice rip too, gets under the OTs and can ride them back. I was watching his film thinking if he only did this against better competition and if he was only 10 pounds bigger. Then, I put on the film of EWU against Washington State and while he still gets knocked off balance some, dude is whipping massive LTs. Then, it becomes, if he was just a little bigger...and he hits his pro day at 240.

    Yeah, I'm interested. Really interested. I'm not sure where I play him yet, not because of what he can do, but more so because I'm not sure I want to pigeon hole him into one spot. Very Haason Reddick like in his abilities. I think he could play OLB easily, but I also think if you put him at ILB beside Shazier, you have something there as well. Dude is just a player. He is the type of guy I watch and think, I want him on my team, I'll figure out what to do with him once he is there. I see what he timed, plays faster than that. Much more explosive. Looks like a DB when he runs, bendy, decent power, not elite COD, but good enough. I think he has better film than Derek Rivers, but doesn't come with that prototype size and athletic numbers you get with Rivers.

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    Another guy you should keep your eye on as a later pick is Carroll Phillips. He played opposite of Duwauane Smoot at Illinois. He is another 240-pound edge rusher. He is a guy that relies more on speed than power, decent enough power at the point but can be overwhelmed. But, I think he goes higher than Smoot, just seems like a more natural football player with better recognition and feel. Isn't as athletic as Rivers or Ebukam, but he is productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antdrewjosh View Post
    Del or TMC have you watched any film on this guy who we bought in for a visit.

    EWU edge Samson Ebukam is very popular since terrific Pro Day (4.45, 39" VJ at 6-2, 240). 12 pre-draft visits, incl. PITT today, GB tomorrow
    Here is the tape I just watched on him:

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/sams...-state-2016-2/

    That's pretty good tape. I mean, you have to hold back some enthusiasm. I do see some stiffness in his hips. But he is super active and takes it to his man every play. Likes contact. He needs a lot of coaching. Rough around the edges and lots of wasted motion. TMC is right about him all over the place in their defensive system. And I might also agree moving inside to ILB would be better for us. He doesn't quite have the dip/bend to play OLB in the NFL. His bull rush and wild hand use might work at that level, but I'm not sure it will at the next. Should be a terror on special teams and make your roster just on that. I would probably put a 5th-6th round grade on him right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deljzc View Post
    Here is the tape I just watched on him:

    http://draftbreakdown.com/video/sams...-state-2016-2/

    That's pretty good tape. I mean, you have to hold back some enthusiasm. I do see some stiffness in his hips. But he is super active and takes it to his man every play. Likes contact. He needs a lot of coaching. Rough around the edges and lots of wasted motion. TMC is right about him all over the place in their defensive system. And I might also agree moving inside to ILB would be better for us. He doesn't quite have the dip/bend to play OLB in the NFL. His bull rush and wild hand use might work at that level, but I'm not sure it will at the next. Should be a terror on special teams and make your roster just on that. I would probably put a 5th-6th round grade on him right now.
    The guy doesn't have a pair of ball bearing for hips.
    A 7th ring will come after Tomlin leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    The guy doesn't have a pair of ball bearing for hips.
    huh?
    in order to shine a light so bright, darkness must be present

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    The guy doesn't have a pair of ball bearing for hips.
    of course he doesn't....he isn't a cyborg....

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    Quote Originally Posted by slashsteel View Post
    huh?
    Scout speak for he's stiff in the hips.
    Last edited by Coach; 04-10-2017 at 05:08 PM.
    A 7th ring will come after Tomlin leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    Scout speak for he's still in the hips.
    you're neither a scout or a good typist....

    del aready pointed out he was a bit stiff in the hips....

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    Sticking at DB but turned to safety. What are your thoughts on Xavier Woods from LA Tech, Montae Nichols from MSU, and Johnathan Ford from Auburn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolieMan View Post
    of course he doesn't....he isn't a cyborg....
    He's not University of Houston material.
    A 7th ring will come after Tomlin leaves.

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    A very good value draft board by Martz. I like it a lot.


    http://draftboardguru.com/valueoff/

    http://draftboardguru.com/valuedef/
    A 7th ring will come after Tomlin leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FordFairLane View Post
    Sticking at DB but turned to safety. What are your thoughts on Xavier Woods from LA Tech, Montae Nichols from MSU, and Johnathan Ford from Auburn.
    Xavier Woods is interesting to me. He plays some single high, deep end safety and seems comfortable. He is listed as a strong, but I like him better as a deep (FS) or up tight as a slot DB. I'm not a fan when he walks down on the LB level. He tends to take a couple steps in on the snap (like most LBs) and can be a little late into his drops at that level. He doesn't do that when deep, so he sees it and reads it better. He isn't a thumper. He tackles, but he isn't your traditional SS that looks to pound a guy. Surprising coverage on the slot, can run with a lot of WRs, more quick than fast and can mirror. I think if he doesn't make it as a FS, he carves out a career as a slot corner/extra DB.

    Jonathan Ford kind of surprised me at his pro day. He is bigger than I thought he was and ran better. I'm not knocking his speed on tape, but he is coming off a foot injury and I did not expect a 4.40. No COD numbers, but he looks quick enough. I did not see him playing deep much, not much as a true safety, mainly walked down and played over the slot. I think initially that is where I would fit him, as an extra DB that covers your slot. He tackles well, wants to thump a little, but not a big hitter. No great ball skills that I see, but he will get in the grill of a WR and can stick pretty close. There are some series of plays against Alabama where I was wondering WTF he was doing, looked like he was playing zone but kind of just meandered about....bit strange and out of character for him. Dunno, Alabama's weapons make guys do strange things sometimes. Not really sure he can play deep, not really sure he is that run presence to be a SS either, but I think he could carve out a career as a special teamer and extra DB covering the slot. Oddly enough, film for him reminds me some of Shamarko Thomas....and he ended his college career injured.

    The Steelers brought Nicholson in for a visit. I'm kind of scratching my head on this one. He played mostly as a deep safety, FS, and while he has decent straight line speed, not sure he has good COD. He looks a little stiff. He will bite on play action. He bites on double moves, there is a play against Penn State where the CB is blitzing and Godwin gives a stutter like he is running an out and Nicholson bites so hard that it is an easy score. I don't think he is a deep safety, not for me anyway. Can he play in the box? I don't see him in man coverage, like I said, a bit stiff. But, he will hit you. He does a pretty good job tackling and taking angles to the ball. He is big, I think 210-215. Hell, maybe they can throw 10 pounds on the kid and make him a $backer. If he comes late enough, might be worth the gamble. He might be athletic enough to match up with TEs in coverage. But, I'm not coveting him, not in this deep draft. I don't hate the guy, but he has to come late for me, might be bringing him in to set him up as a priority FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    He's not University of Houston material.
    few guys are.......

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    I'll say this... after seeing Awuzie in multiple interviews... he is an impressive young man. He would look awful good in Black and Gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelpastor View Post
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    I'll say this... after seeing Awuzie in multiple interviews... he is an impressive young man. He would look awful good in Black and Gold.

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    I have a feeling if they like him they would have to pull the trigger in 1.
    in order to shine a light so bright, darkness must be present

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    Quote Originally Posted by slashsteel View Post
    I have a feeling if they like him they would have to pull the trigger in 1.
    Or trade back a few spots and get him and another 3rd or 4th rounder

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