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    The player to make our nickel shine in this draft

    Our nickel isn't the best, and the Steelers for whatever reason have not been good at covering the tight end.

    In this draft, there is an elite level player, big and tall enough to cover the tight ends, and fast enough to be really good in the zone.

    His name is Obi Melifonwu. A 6'4" 220-pound hybrid safety and linebacker. A freak of an athlete who runs a 4.4, has a vertical leap of 44" Very productive vs the run, good enough vs the pass

    If the pass rushers are gone, and the top corners are gone at pick #30, this could be the comprise pick in round one.

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    there will be plenty of edge guys at #30. I'd be happy to nab a cb like Humphrey in rd 1, trade up for Edge in rd 2 (maybe Lawson), then Cam Sutton at rd 3a.

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    Anyone that can actually cover and ready to play would be a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black and gold apex View Post
    Anyone that can actually cover and ready to play would be a change.
    Well, Shazier can cover. He's very good, better than any of our safeties in man coverage if you want my opinion on it.

    But who else can we pair him with in the nickel defense? Vince Williams is simply too slow. Dirty Red is also too slow, though he's pretty smart in coverage.

    A player like Obi Melifonwu can really improve our base nickel, which is a formation the Steelers play often.
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    Was there no thread that this could have been posted in that already existed? Was a new thread really necessary?
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    After all the discussion by deljzic and tmc in the other threads about a week ago where it was explained why obi would be ideal for the nickel as he can play cb or safety and is practically a plug & play nfl ready player, you decide to create a thread to say the same damn thing as it were a novel idea that you discovered watching tape?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litos View Post
    After all the discussion by deljzic and tmc in the other threads about a week ago where it was explained why obi would be ideal for the nickel as he can play cb or safety and is practically a plug & play nfl ready player, you decide to create a thread to say the same damn thing as it were a novel idea that you discovered watching tape?

    Facepalm...
    If I read your posts, you might have a point. Stealing your thunder is worth $.00 to me. So apologies as you must have some very thin skin.

    But since you might agree with me, I should re-evlaute my position!
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    lol coach you are something else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    If I read your posts, you might have a point. Stealing your thunder is worth $.00 to me. So apologies as you must have some very thin skin.

    But since you might agree with me, I should re-evlaute my position!
    You couldn't even share your opinion and say "hey, you are right, I like this guy too and agree that he'd fit nicely on the Steelers" nooo, you had to take credit for something I and some others already said in this very forum .

    Coach give us a new thought of your own, I'm waiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litos View Post
    You couldn't even share your opinion and say "hey, you are right, I like this guy too and agree that he'd fit nicely on the Steelers" nooo, you had to take credit for something I and some others already said in this very forum .

    Coach give us a new thought of your own, I'm waiting
    You must have missed my threads:

    1 ) Better prepare for life after Ben. QB in rounds 2-3 this season. I like Davis Webb

    2 ) Pass rusher or CB in round one.

    3 ) Trade down if possible.

    4 ) Since we are very close, it would make sense to max out the cap space...NOW Yet the Steelers have not.

    5 ) You remain a yinzer :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    You must have missed my threads:

    1 ) Better prepare for life after Ben. QB in rounds 2-3 this season. I like Davis Webb

    2 ) Pass rusher or CB in round one.

    3 ) Trade down if possible.

    4 ) Since we are very close, it would make sense to max out the cap space...NOW Yet the Steelers have not.

    5 ) You remain a yinzer :)
    i could delete then and nobody would miss them.....

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    What's all the UPROAR??????????????????? I haven't read every post of every thread on this MB so it's kind of good to get these shorter threads even if duplicate to a degree. Sometimes the 900+ page thread has a lot of information but to long to completely read thoroughly, thus the shorter compact gets started. No offense or defense for either is intended, this is just me and my reading habits. NOW if this was the 109 page midget thread,.............all hell would break loose.!!!!!!!!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Drink IRON City View Post
    What's all the UPROAR??????????????????? I haven't read every post of every thread on this MB so it's kind of good to get these shorter threads even if duplicate to a degree. Sometimes the 900+ page thread has a lot of information but to long to completely read thoroughly, thus the shorter compact gets started. No offense or defense for either is intended, this is just me and my reading habits. NOW if this was the 109 page midget thread,.............all hell would break loose.!!!!!!!!

    Couldn't agree more.

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    This is a discussion that has been kicked around on other message boards for a while. There are articles dating back to the 2014 season about how the Steelers sub-packages need to evolve, kind of happened with the retirement of Casey Hampton. They no longer had a pure run stopper in the middle, so the evolution idea was born. Not sure that Melinfonwu is a a linebacker though. He was a box safety at UConn. So, I'm not a fan of calling this a pure nickel, because he really is a DB, more of a heavy dime. Still, semantics. Oddly enough, not new, Steelers have fiddled with the passing sets for a while. I am sure everyone remembers the Penny defense, where Hampton played down, Keisel was up, had 4-5 standing LBs/DEs milling around and 5-6 DBs behind it. Failed pretty badly. They used the nickel last year a lot because Timmons and Shazier stayed healthy, so they were putting their best 11 on the field. Heyward was injured about the time Hargrave had his rise, Dupree returned, inserted Harrison, just kind of dictated by personnel. So, you are running 2 down DL, 2 edge rushers, 2 ILBs, and your 5 DBs. But, if Shazier goes down last year, do you insert Williams or Golden? If it is Golden, you are going dime. That happened in 2014, Vince Williams rookie season. Foote goes down, Shazier battles injuries, and they walk Polamalu down into the box. Flushed back to more nickel in 2015, but they flex based on personnel.

    The biggest question is, which way do they want to go? I still don't know Butler's ultimate plan. This is just his 3rd draft, took Dupree/Golson in the first and Burns/Davis/Hargrave in the 2nd. Well, frankly, those guys can fit in about any system. Golson might be the toughest fit because he looks like a slot corner due to size, but that 3rd corner gets plenty of snaps in today's NFL. Hargrave is a DT/NT, but his strength pre-draft was pass rusher, not so much as stumpy run stopper. The two key traits are athletic and versatile. Melinfonwu fits those. Is he a deep corner? I don't see him as a single high or even a great cover-2 guy. He can be slow to react on the deep end. He is a box, SS or hybrid. Do you move Davis in 2 years to accommodate him? He was a late 2nd/3rd round guy until he blows up the combine. He isn't Byron Jones on film, not even close. So, do you draft him at #30 when his fit might be box only? I'm not so sure. Second...maybe. Still, depends on the board for me and who I took early.

    It is why I like DBs like Awuzie and Baker. Baker can play your slot early, move to FS later, and the defense keeps on chugging. You can add that box/big safety in the middle or later rounds if you want that hybrid. Or, you can draft a pure safety and bounce Davis down, I feel certain he can handle it. Tough call, really all depends on the Tomlin/Butler plan for the defense and how many true DBs they want to employ. If it is 5, I think they go ILB, pure ILB. If it is 6, might see that hybrid. The alignment in front of those guys should tell something too. If they use 3 DL (Heyward, Tuitt, Hagrave), hybrid is more likely to me. If they use 2 DL, probably go traditional LB because they might need more of a run presence. They entertained the idea of signing Hightower, so that might be the plan. Or, they might evolve the defense to the available talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZACKB View Post
    there will be plenty of edge guys at #30. I'd be happy to nab a cb like Humphrey in rd 1, trade up for Edge in rd 2 (maybe Lawson), then Cam Sutton at rd 3a.
    I'm really hoping Humphrey is there at 1.30.
    He is the PROTOTYPICAL Steelers CB IMO.

    - Good size
    - Strong
    - Attacks ball carriers
    - Good speed
    - Great coverage

    His issues lie with the deep ball and tracking.
    The coverage downfield can be taught. Tracking the ball, not so sure.
    However, dude would be a great compliment to Artie.

    Follow him up with :
    2. Lawson OLB
    3. Maye S
    3b. Henderson WR
    4. Gallman RB
    5. Kittle TE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drink IRON City View Post
    What's all the UPROAR??????????????????? I haven't read every post of every thread on this MB so it's kind of good to get these shorter threads even if duplicate to a degree. Sometimes the 900+ page thread has a lot of information but to long to completely read thoroughly, thus the shorter compact gets started. No offense or defense for either is intended, this is just me and my reading habits. NOW if this was the 109 page midget thread,.............all hell would break loose.!!!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by CoolieMan View Post
    i could delete then and nobody would miss them.....
    You're such a tease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelerfan View Post
    That's 166 pages to you, young man. Don't sell Archer short.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC View Post
    This is a discussion that has been kicked around on other message boards for a while. There are articles dating back to the 2014 season about how the Steelers sub-packages need to evolve, kind of happened with the retirement of Casey Hampton. They no longer had a pure run stopper in the middle, so the evolution idea was born. Not sure that Melinfonwu is a a linebacker though. He was a box safety at UConn. So, I'm not a fan of calling this a pure nickel, because he really is a DB, more of a heavy dime. Still, semantics. Oddly enough, not new, Steelers have fiddled with the passing sets for a while. I am sure everyone remembers the Penny defense, where Hampton played down, Keisel was up, had 4-5 standing LBs/DEs milling around and 5-6 DBs behind it. Failed pretty badly. They used the nickel last year a lot because Timmons and Shazier stayed healthy, so they were putting their best 11 on the field. Heyward was injured about the time Hargrave had his rise, Dupree returned, inserted Harrison, just kind of dictated by personnel. So, you are running 2 down DL, 2 edge rushers, 2 ILBs, and your 5 DBs. But, if Shazier goes down last year, do you insert Williams or Golden? If it is Golden, you are going dime. That happened in 2014, Vince Williams rookie season. Foote goes down, Shazier battles injuries, and they walk Polamalu down into the box. Flushed back to more nickel in 2015, but they flex based on personnel.

    The biggest question is, which way do they want to go? I still don't know Butler's ultimate plan. This is just his 3rd draft, took Dupree/Golson in the first and Burns/Davis/Hargrave in the 2nd. Well, frankly, those guys can fit in about any system. Golson might be the toughest fit because he looks like a slot corner due to size, but that 3rd corner gets plenty of snaps in today's NFL. Hargrave is a DT/NT, but his strength pre-draft was pass rusher, not so much as stumpy run stopper. The two key traits are athletic and versatile. Melinfonwu fits those. Is he a deep corner? I don't see him as a single high or even a great cover-2 guy. He can be slow to react on the deep end. He is a box, SS or hybrid. Do you move Davis in 2 years to accommodate him? He was a late 2nd/3rd round guy until he blows up the combine. He isn't Byron Jones on film, not even close. So, do you draft him at #30 when his fit might be box only? I'm not so sure. Second...maybe. Still, depends on the board for me and who I took early.

    It is why I like DBs like Awuzie and Baker. Baker can play your slot early, move to FS later, and the defense keeps on chugging. You can add that box/big safety in the middle or later rounds if you want that hybrid. Or, you can draft a pure safety and bounce Davis down, I feel certain he can handle it. Tough call, really all depends on the Tomlin/Butler plan for the defense and how many true DBs they want to employ. If it is 5, I think they go ILB, pure ILB. If it is 6, might see that hybrid. The alignment in front of those guys should tell something too. If they use 3 DL (Heyward, Tuitt, Hagrave), hybrid is more likely to me. If they use 2 DL, probably go traditional LB because they might need more of a run presence. They entertained the idea of signing Hightower, so that might be the plan. Or, they might evolve the defense to the available talent.


    You want a safety in Baker to play the slot?. Baker to me is a center field type with good speed, range and ball skills. However, he's a little small, and could be injury prone in the NFL. Reports say taller TE's have their way with him.

    Awuzie can play either the slot or outside, and has superior size. I'd much rather have him in round one. Pass on Baker in round one please!

    Butler's scheme seems to be a soft zone with good pass rushers. When the Steelers had Heyward healthy, the pass rush was decent enough with several guys that could get the job done.

    But this 6-8 yard cushions from the cornerbacks with limited playmaking in terms of splash plays from the safeties sucks. Mitchell had but one interception last season. Davis also had one, but he dropped two easy throws that should have been interceptions.

    I'd like to see TJ Watt or Awuzie be our first pick.

    Watt can juice up the pass rush, plays the run well and like his brother has a knack for batting down passes.

    Awuzie can add size, speed, and versatility to a defensive backfield that is not very versatile, or fast in general.

    The wild card is Obi Melifonwu , who can be a base linebacker in the 4-3, ( Outside weak side LB ) nickel, or dime...maybe in the base 3-4. The more I see and read about Obi, the more I think he fits the modern NFL

    Obi is Tall ( 6'4 " ) , Fast ( 4.40 40 ) , with coverage skills. And man can he leap high! A mini linebacker type who's a force vs the run or pass. Tall enough to cover TE's, fast enough to prevent first downs from running QB's or backs catching the ball short and converting a first down. As long as he's protected from pulling offensive lineman, I think he could be star.

    I'd be happy with one of these three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    You want a safety in Baker to play the slot?. Baker to me is a center field type with good speed, range and ball skills. However, he's a little small, and could be injury prone in the NFL. Reports say taller TE's have their way with him.

    Awuzie can play either the slot or outside, and has superior size. I'd much rather have him in round one. Pass on Baker in round one please!

    Butler's scheme seems to be a soft zone with good pass rushers. When the Steelers had Heyward healthy, the pass rush was decent enough with several guys that could get the job done.

    But this 6-8 yard cushions from the cornerbacks with limited playmaking in terms of splash plays from the safeties sucks. Mitchell had but one interception last season. Davis also had one, but he dropped two easy throws that should have been interceptions.

    I'd like to see TJ Watt or Awuzie be our first pick.

    Watt can juice up the pass rush, plays the run well and like his brother has a knack for batting down passes.

    Awuzie can add size, speed, and versatility to a defensive backfield that is not very versatile, or fast in general.

    The wild card is Obi Melifonwu , who can be a base linebacker in the 4-3, ( Outside weak side LB ) nickel, or dime...maybe in the base 3-4. The more I see and read about Obi, the more I think he fits the modern NFL

    Obi is Tall ( 6'4 " ) , Fast ( 4.40 40 ) , with coverage skills. And man can he leap high! A mini linebacker type who's a force vs the run or pass. Tall enough to cover TE's, fast enough to prevent first downs from running QB's or backs catching the ball short and converting a first down. As long as he's protected from pulling offensive lineman, I think he could be star.

    I'd be happy with one of these three.
    or the Steelers could throw a monkey wrench into the equation and draft a DE

    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/04...rs-draft-plan/
    For starters, I really think the Steelers have serious interest in Michigan product Chris Wormley. Not only did they supposedly show interest in him at the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine, general manager Kevin Colbert and head coach Mike Tomlin both attended the Michigan pro day a few weeks and that trip reportedly included at least one of them having dinner with Wormley, who measured in at this year’s combine at 6051, 298-pounds.
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