but you are wrong...Ben is not forcing ****, he is hitting the open receiver. Johnson is quicker and tends to get open sooner..IMO...when the safeties move up that is when Ben goes deep, and I have said many times the deep balls should be to Claypool, but Johnson and Washington have made deep plays also.
. No one said those routes couldn't be jumped by a DB...I said a DC has never jumped one. I trust Ben on preventing the DB from jumping one of Johnson's routes, he is smart enough to see how they are playing and either go with the pump fake and send Johnson down field or hit another open receiver.
This is just another case of you finding some bullshit thing to latch on to and not wanting to view the situation with an open mind
Ben is not just finding the open receiver, he is reading the defense and understanding who will be the open receiver based on how the both S's react at the snap. He is playing darn smart football right now. I don't have the film this year so can't watch, but I suspect Claypool is probably drawing doubles most plays. Teams have to look at our receivers and prioritize him as the biggest threat.
How far into the article that you originally cited did you read? I'm asking because it seems to me that you may have missed the parts about how physicality from the WRs help lead to DPI and how:
Now, to my mind, you can't always count on the refs to actually call DPI when it's there. That means you had better have a receiver that can defeat the physicality of the CBs, maintain his route and make the catch. (Johnson has issues with this last part sometimes, I will admit). The thing that bothers me about your post is that you make it out to be an "either this, or that" thing when what's best for the team, what has actually been working is "This, That AND The Others".
Claypool needs more touches. Agree with you there. But believe it or not these short predetermined throws where Johnson cuts ( usually to the sideline ) can be jumped by a Db's knowing based on formation and field potion, which way Johnson will cut.
When you milk the short passing game what happens? Safeties are deployed closer to the LOS, right? Exactly and that makes it a little tougher to run the ball. When you hit a deep pass or two, what happens? Safeties tend to back off giving the back a bit more room to run. I think you get it. Other yahoo's probably not.
Johnson is averaging 11 yards per catch, and converting on 60.5% of his catches. By contrast Claypool is averaging 14.2 yards per catch, has scored double the amount of touchdowns, and draws way more impactful pass interference calls. To me its clean Johnson is being force feed a bit too much by Ben and Claypool needs more targets.
Its like you actually watch the games!You pretty much disproved your own thesis. You stated that throwing short a bunch opens up the deep ball. That's right. The opposite is also true. Claypool hit some big plays and now defenses are playing back so Ben is taking the open throws underneath. When they do creep up, that's when Ben throws deep. That's how offense is supposed to work. You don't just decide to throw deep no matter what.
If they keep throwing deep then doesn't that mean the coverage gets tougher on Claypool deep? Or do you expect them to just keep single covering Claypool and letting the steelers complete bombs while taking away the short throws to DJ?
You are advocating that the steelers should make more low % throws. You state that if they keep throwing short to DJ, that defenses will start playing that tighter. GREAT. That's exactly what we want. Ben is waiting for that to happen to throw deep, but you don't force it.
Ben still does not have his timing down with DJ. When they get in sync, more of these short throws will start breaking big.
12 catches on 16 targets are as good as ABs production in a game. DJ is open quicker and faster, and benefiting from Claypool's double teams. I did love Chase's TD. It was probably his best play on the ball, facing it, and catching it with both hands while working back to the ball between 2 defenders. We have some great receivers on this team.
Claypool needs more touches. Agree with you there. But believe it or not these short predetermined throws where Johnson cuts ( usually to the sideline ) can be jumped by a Db's knowing based on formation and field potion, which way Johnson will cut.
Johnson is averaging 11 yards per catch, and converting on 60.5% of his catches. By contrast Claypool is averaging 14.2 yards per catch, has scored double the amount of touchdowns, and draws way more impactful pass interference calls. To me its clean Johnson is being force feed a bit too much by Ben and Claypool needs more targets.
yep, like some really intelligent poster has said previously, it is impossible to shut down all of them. Maybe the defense can take JuJu out of the game...and maybe Claypool also...but then you just have Johnson, Washington, Ebron, McCloud or even the RB out of the backfield to cover. No Defense has enough guys to shut them all down. That is why it is so great that Ben is comfortable throwing to all these guys.
There is no need to force the ball to any one receiver when you need a tough conversion on 3rd down.
As long as Ben stays healthy this should continue to be a fun season of football
That intellligent poster must be listening to my podcast. Football IQ is proven to go up 30 points by listening to the podcast
And great point 448, Ben threw 1 ball where the defender could even get a hand on the ball to DJ. The incompletions are miscommunications, DJ falling down, or rushed throws by Ben that are a little off. This goes back to the metric for DJ that he gets more separation yardage than any other player in the league when he makes a break. Coach it's time you start recognizing how good DJ's route running is now. When he and Ben are in complete synch, we're winning Superbowls. Plural...
That intellligent poster must be listening to my podcast. Football IQ is proven to go up 30 points by listening to the podcast
And great point 448, Ben threw 1 ball where the defender could even get a hand on the ball to DJ. The incompletions are miscommunications, DJ falling down, or rushed throws by Ben that are a little off. This goes back to the metric for DJ that he gets more separation yardage than any other player in the league when he makes a break. Coach it's time you start recognizing how good DJ's route running is now. When he and Ben are in complete synch, we're winning Superbowls. Plural...
but you are wrong...Ben is not forcing ****, he is hitting the open receiver. Johnson is quicker and tends to get open sooner..IMO...when the safeties move up that is when Ben goes deep, and I have said many times the deep balls should be to Claypool, but Johnson and Washington have made deep plays also.
. No one said those routes couldn't be jumped by a DB...I said a DC has never jumped one. I trust Ben on preventing the DB from jumping one of Johnson's routes, he is smart enough to see how they are playing and either go with the pump fake and send Johnson down field or hit another open receiver.
This is just another case of you finding some bullshit thing to latch on to and not wanting to view the situation with an open mind
The only pick 6 that nearly happened was a deep ball down the middle to JuJu/Washington. If Ben didn't make that tackle, it was 6.
If you watch the games, break down DJs game last week. Targeted 16 times, 12 receptions. One catch was a beautifully fought ball at the goalline on the sideline between 2 defenders.
I saw one pass broken up on a sideline pass. Tell me what happened on the other three.
I'm talking about historically for Ben's interceptions. I do remember a jump ball where DJ's effort didn't look good and the result was an interception. Like you said we need balance. DJ should not have 12 catches when Claypool and Ju have just 4 each. That is what I am saying. I'm also saying Claypool or Ju Ju is more likely to make the impactful type of plays that win games. DJ can make big plays too, he just doesn't do it as often. Yes, the sideline catch was sweet last Sunday.
As for reliability, Washington has been very. Johnson sometimes not does balls he should have have that he gets his hands on.
Do you watch the games? Ben's looking for #18 too often while other guys are open for more yardage. (1)Post in the game day thread sometime, you'll see but Claypool or Ju-Ju was open for more yardage. 2 It's not a big point to harp on since Ben has been playing well, but he does have a past history of throwing some really bad passes over the middle, usually in a zone coverage short ( where someone jumps or guesses on defense ) which is where Johnson operates best.3 Relative to his targets per catch percentage, Big plays, and TD's, Johnson is being over used. Claypool by the same standard is being under used.4
On Johnson, he's not the type to fight out out muscle anyone. On timing throws to the outside if a DB guesses it, a pick 6 can happen. We seem to throw that timing pass to the sideline often 4. What if what if the DC puts a safety to take over coveverage allowing his CB to gamble? 5Those timing passes are working now, so was the jet sweep a few weeks ago. Like I said to make dink and dunk passes makes it harder to tun the ball as well.
I think you are just smart enough to understand what I am talking about, then I again I have been wrong here before.
Do you watch the games? Ben's looking for #18 too often while other guys are open for more yardage. Post in the game day thread sometime, you'll see but Claypool or Ju-Ju was open for more yardage. It's not a big point to harp on since Ben has been playing well, but he does have a past history of throwing some really bad passes over the middle, usually in a zone coverage short ( where someone jumps or guesses on defense ) which is where Johnson operates best. Relative to his targets per catch percentage, Big plays, and TD's, Johnson is being over used. Claypool by the same standard is being under used.
On Johnson, he's not the type to fight out out muscle anyone. On timing throws to the outside if a DB guesses it, a pick 6 can happen. We seem to throw that timing pass to the sideline often. What if what if the DC puts a safety to take over coveverage allowing his CB to gamble? Those timing passes are working now, so was the jet sweep a few weeks ago. Like I said to make dink and dunk passes makes it harder to tun the ball as well.
I think you are just smart enough to understand what I am talking about, then I again I have been wrong here before.
L O L @ cooch trying to use do you watch the games angle when he can't decipher anything he watches without coming across looking like an idiot. You just know he won't grasp anything you tell him. He will probably be spewing the same dumb **** next week.
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But OutCoached has said he doesn’t watch games. Whenever he does, he says it’s at a bar where he is treated like a king...
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Which is even funnier when he tries to use that angle to desperately discredit someone. Flailing those robot arms like a lost in space episode.
Regardless always hard to tell what is the truth and what is made up with him.
I tell you I never seen a fan so scared to give up his address. He was deathly afraid that someone might look up and see that his braggart doesn't =reality.