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Gruden Resigns, then is fired

wig

Well-known member
Working in I.T. as Berm does, what I can tell you directly with no sugar-coating whatsoever...

ANYTHING you do on your phone, your computer, your television is NOT PRIVATE. If you check out porn on your phone while taking a dump... your ISP knows about it. There's a log somewhere tied DIRECTLY to YOU that records everything you do.

Now, there was a time when it may have been difficult for "authorities" to access that information, but after 911 and the subsequent "Patriot Acts" your personal digital information is completely wide-open to anybody who can get a simple supboena.

P.S. You burner phone guys... they can ping and track any other phone that is in regular nearby physical location and tie whatever calls/data is going through your burner phones to a standard phone acct. Big Brother is MOST DEFINITELY watching. Don't do ANYTHING on your phone, computer, tv etc. that you wouldn't want your boss, your wife, your kids to know about. Because that shit isn't hidden. The folks in charge just don't care enough about you to expose it. Currently.
 

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wig

Well-known member
And best of all...
It's already to a point where "non-smart" phones aren't even an option. The networks to support them have been disabled over time and it's rarer and rarer to be able to use a good ole "dumb" phone.
 

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thesteelcity

Pittsburgh, PA
Working in I.T. as Berm does, what I can tell you directly with no sugar-coating whatsoever...

ANYTHING you do on your phone, your computer, your television is NOT PRIVATE. If you check out porn on your phone while taking a dump... your ISP knows about it. There's a log somewhere tied DIRECTLY to YOU that records everything you do.

Now, there was a time when it may have been difficult for "authorities" to access that information, but after 911 and the subsequent "Patriot Acts" your personal digital information is completely wide-open to anybody who can get a simple supboena.

P.S. You burner phone guys... they can ping and track any other phone that is in regular nearby physical location and tie whatever calls/data is going through your burner phones to a standard phone acct. Big Brother is MOST DEFINITELY watching. Don't do ANYTHING on your phone, computer, tv etc. that you wouldn't want your boss, your wife, your kids to know about. Because that shit isn't hidden. The folks in charge just don't care enough about you to expose it. Currently.
is there a way to turn off so they can't track you or listen? I'm not a techy guy, so my phone is smarter than me.

I looked up a sub place on my phone and now getting their ads on fakebook.
 

FordFairLane

Well-known member
Let me get this out of the way, what Gruden did in his emails was STUPID!

Does that mean he should lose his job, because that's where it gets cloudy for me at least. We are no longer given the option to apologize for things we may have said or done in jest decades ago. In fact, if you do apologize, it's seen as an admission of guilt and your punishment will be even harsher. How about we allow people to sincerely apologize for things done years ago, and learn from it. What's the reason this is no longer permitted?

But it's the world we've allowed to happen, with everyone walking on eggshells, in our humorless society. This coming from someone of Italian descent that my last name reflects. I don't roll up in a ball if someone does a Dago joke.

BTW, why is Joy Behar still employed?
At my last job my boss brought to my attention that someone tried doxing me because I didn’t agree with their liberal beliefs. I stood my ground and didn’t apologize. I said if they want to fire me based on my personal opinions and me expressing my first amendment rights I’ll be happy to have my attorney take it from here. They then asked for me to take down my place of employment from Facebook. I complied. Then after I quit I found the online doxer and creeped on him using a fake account until he said something very inappropriate on tiktok towards some young teenage girl. I doxed him to his wife. He’s since deleted all his social media accounts.

He’s actually lucky. In college I had a lib cheap shot me and run off. Two years later my buddy see’s the guy at a bar and calls me. I literally walked in saw him, tapped him on the shoulder and he was knocked out before he fully turned his head. If the doxer was closer I was going to do that to him.
 

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Litos

Well-known member
It's all bullshit, the many cave to the few. look at the movie Django, three major actors, Foxx, DIcaprio and Jackson all off them used the word nigger multiple times in that movie. The funny thing is it didn't stop anyone who liked those actors from watching it whether they were black or white. hell they are still showing it on HBO or Showtime. For those three their wokeness didn't mean shit when it came to that money did it. It's kinda strange not one of them has been canceled.

Whats freaking funny is it's just the snowflakes or the ones that think they look cool to the black folk if they get woke. I have to many black friends to list and not one of them gives a shit about a word. Now to be fair I don't hang out with bleeding heart pussy liberals either, so ya there is that.

I guess my point is this, who gives a shit what someone said ten years ago or ten minutes ago. Unless it was aimed at you personally it aint none of your damn business get some thicker skin and worry about your own life.
Well it was aimed at Goodell and he executed with his powers
 

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wig

Well-known member
is there a way to turn off so they can't track you or listen? I'm not a techy guy, so my phone is smarter than me.

I looked up a sub place on my phone and now getting their ads on fakebook.
No.
Google, Android, IPhone... They own your phone. Not you.
Those of us who are particularly "conspiracy minded" have posited for years that Facebook, Twitter, Android and Iphone were all kickstarted and ultimately base-funded by your very own CIA.
 

Ironcitysteelers

What do I put here? Fuck it.
Working in I.T. as Berm does, what I can tell you directly with no sugar-coating whatsoever...

ANYTHING you do on your phone, your computer, your television is NOT PRIVATE. If you check out porn on your phone while taking a dump... your ISP knows about it. There's a log somewhere tied DIRECTLY to YOU that records everything you do.

Now, there was a time when it may have been difficult for "authorities" to access that information, but after 911 and the subsequent "Patriot Acts" your personal digital information is completely wide-open to anybody who can get a simple supboena.

P.S. You burner phone guys... they can ping and track any other phone that is in regular nearby physical location and tie whatever calls/data is going through your burner phones to a standard phone acct. Big Brother is MOST DEFINITELY watching. Don't do ANYTHING on your phone, computer, tv etc. that you wouldn't want your boss, your wife, your kids to know about. Because that shit isn't hidden. The folks in charge just don't care enough about you to expose it. Currently.
Ha porn log. I have an entire floor dedicated for me.
 

jiminoh

Simple Idiot
No.
Google, Android, IPhone... They own your phone. Not you.
Those of us who are particularly "conspiracy minded" have posited for years that Facebook, Twitter, Android and Iphone were all kickstarted and ultimately base-funded by your very own CIA.
Well, the ISP's certainly own the networks that all the info travels across for sure. And a subpoena issued to the provider will spill the beans. This is the world we live in like it or not, and people need to be careful with what they post/email. I don't like it but, whatever. I've done plenty of stupid shit in my life, but I knew better than to do some of the things Gruden is accused of. Luckily the internet was in its infancy when I was more stupid than I am now. :rolleyes:
 

t-man

Well-known member
Freedom of speech is only available to the PC crowd. I hear my God's name used as a swear word all day, and it bugs me. Think it will change any time soon? Neither do I. But, they will never get fired for such an offense. I challenge my students to say "Joseph Smith!" or "Buddah Damnit!". It works.
This freedom of speech stuff gets all blown out of proportion every time anyone has a consequence for being an asshole. Listen, you have the freedom from THE GOVENMENT to say what you wish. If you're in North Korea, and you say Kim Jong Un is a fucking dipshit, you'll get shot in the fucking face. The government will not tolerate you speaking against him. While there are SOME who want us to be MORE like North Korea (force people to stand for the special songs, demand people stand at the beginning of some events, throw people in jail for burning a flag) most of the country doesn't think that's such a hot fucking idea. Now, that being said, if you work for a company that doesn't want to be identified with a certain set of behaviors, they can fire you for those since you are representing them. Am I for companies not being able to fire people for personal shit? Yes, yes I am. That, however, would not extend to emails sent on a company server, from a company email, to another person in the fucking company. That, is not protected, from anything. I know everyone gets their fucking panties all in a bunch when they can't limit the speech THEY want to limit, but someone else says something they don't like, but as they say, tough titty said the kitty, there ain't no fucking milk.

Joe
 

t-man

Well-known member
Working in I.T. as Berm does, what I can tell you directly with no sugar-coating whatsoever...

ANYTHING you do on your phone, your computer, your television is NOT PRIVATE. If you check out porn on your phone while taking a dump... your ISP knows about it. There's a log somewhere tied DIRECTLY to YOU that records everything you do.

Now, there was a time when it may have been difficult for "authorities" to access that information, but after 911 and the subsequent "Patriot Acts" your personal digital information is completely wide-open to anybody who can get a simple supboena.

P.S. You burner phone guys... they can ping and track any other phone that is in regular nearby physical location and tie whatever calls/data is going through your burner phones to a standard phone acct. Big Brother is MOST DEFINITELY watching. Don't do ANYTHING on your phone, computer, tv etc. that you wouldn't want your boss, your wife, your kids to know about. Because that shit isn't hidden. The folks in charge just don't care enough about you to expose it. Currently.
Yep, I have worked in IT in some form or another since 96, and I can tell you there is always someone who can find the trail to what you did when. Can you get a burner phone? Sure, better hope the place you bought it from doesn't have security cams of your purchase though. As to the GPS, etc, if you disable that in all your actual phones, and in the burner, you'd be ok, as long as you also turned off all wifi/cell access on your phone as well, otherwise if your cell phone was pinging the same towers as the burner when you made calls, it could be linked back to you. Not to mention NFC tracking, IMEI numbers, the actual hardware id of your computer (which can be spoofed, but it's not easy) and motherboards/cpu's now have serial numbers hardcoded into the bios as well. Now, should any of that data be available to police without a subpoena, I'd say in most cases, no. But privacy here in the US took a hit in 2001, and it hasn't ever really recovered.

Joe
 

stillwright

Well-known member
No.
Google, Android, IPhone... They own your phone. Not you.
Those of us who are particularly "conspiracy minded" have posited for years that Facebook, Twitter, Android and Iphone were all kickstarted and ultimately base-funded by your very own CIA.
Will a VPN work in hiding a log?
 

FatsHolmes

Active member
I love the trusting nature of people. Acting like software and hardware are doing what you set them to do.

When you turn off your phone, is it really off, or is the software written to look like it's off, but it's still collecting data and tracking you?
When you turn off the GPS on your phone, is it really off, or does it just look that way?
Is your VPN really protecting you, or just appearing to protect you?
Don't get me started on the in-home listening devices that people are buying nowadays.
 

Djfan

Well-known member
This freedom of speech stuff gets all blown out of proportion every time anyone has a consequence for being an asshole. Listen, you have the freedom from THE GOVENMENT to say what you wish. If you're in North Korea, and you say Kim Jong Un is a fucking dipshit, you'll get shot in the fucking face. The government will not tolerate you speaking against him. While there are SOME who want us to be MORE like North Korea (force people to stand for the special songs, demand people stand at the beginning of some events, throw people in jail for burning a flag) most of the country doesn't think that's such a hot fucking idea. Now, that being said, if you work for a company that doesn't want to be identified with a certain set of behaviors, they can fire you for those since you are representing them. Am I for companies not being able to fire people for personal shit? Yes, yes I am. That, however, would not extend to emails sent on a company server, from a company email, to another person in the fucking company. That, is not protected, from anything. I know everyone gets their fucking panties all in a bunch when they can't limit the speech THEY want to limit, but someone else says something they don't like, but as they say, tough titty said the kitty, there ain't no fucking milk.

Joe
I have no problem with businesses have whatever rules that they want to have, and for whatever reason they want. But, the fact remains, that there are paradigms about what is good to say and what is not. And, the government is very often involved with their righteous indignation about only one side, and not the other. It's all BS.
 

bermudasteel

Well-known member
I’d say there’s one HUGE distinction between the two. Kapernick did his anti American protest during games. Also, he was never fired for his antics.

Gruden had private emails released during a period he wasn’t employed by the NFL.
Nothing is PRIVATE if it's not on your personal device. And that data isn't private either.

Keep the thoughts in your head because once outside of your cranium 'the ether' is gonna capture it...
 

t-man

Well-known member
I agree but.

Let’s say you send a personal email today about your belief in Christ. A decade from now that is the worst thing a person could say and you will be canceled because of it.

I know not apples to apples but my point is should you be canceled for things you said a decade or so ago? Also, since when is being an ass means you are to be canceled. Not until this generation.
First, let me preface this by saying this sort of debate is why I stay out of P N R, and who knows, this thread may be headed there, now, on with the discussion.
The whole "cancelled" think is just plain fucking stupid. I have said several times you can't hold a person from 1995 to the standards of 2021, I can tell you for a FACT, it was just different then. I remember dancing with a girl on the dance floor and she said "I didn't think you liked me because you didn't grab my ass when you came over". Imagine that same conversation today, those were literally the second words out of her mouth after, "Nice to meet you, I'm heather". You can't take an environment like that and then put the triple consent signed by a notary and witnessed by 12 virgins needed today before you can ask to touch a woman. Now, all that being said, if you were a woman beating peice of shit in 95, well, that should come back to bite you because that's a whole lot different. Where does Gruden fit in all this? Again, it comes back to company servers, that's where he fucked up. If this were a private email sent from his yahoo account to another yahoo account, I'd say he has a case to sue the ever loving shit out of the nfl, but it's not. I personally can't wait till that particular case DOES come up, because that's going to test a lot of these work and home boundaries.

Joe
 

MTC

Well-known member
is there a way to turn off so they can't track you or listen? I'm not a techy guy, so my phone is smarter than me.

I looked up a sub place on my phone and now getting their ads on fakebook.
Eh…not really. As long as you have service you’re pretty much pinged
 

DBS1970

I hate you all and I blame Ark for that.
How so? Please elaborate...
1) Your private life is none of your employers business.

2) Everyone has a right to free speech even if what they are saying is offensive or unpopular. Since such things are subjective an employer has no right to prohibit you from your rights when you are off property on your own time(see #1).
 

bermudasteel

Well-known member
1) Your private life is none of your employers business.

2) Everyone has a right to free speech even if what they are saying is offensive or unpopular. Since such things are subjective an employer has no right to prohibit you from your rights when you are off property on your own time(see #1).
I respectfully disagree.

1. If I have an employee that beats his spouse/partner in his/her private life - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???
2. If I have an employee that sells illegal drugs on his/her private time - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???
3. If I have an employee that has a garage full of explosive materials, high-powered rifles, and what ever else could be life threatening - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???

These scenarios could go on and on. How would you feel if you family member was on the wrong end of any of the 3 scenarios above? I bet you'd want to take up arms and get a pound of flesh like another red-blooded American man/woman.

The fact of the matter is times have changed, GLOBALLY, and the US is not the only country that has been or is currently subjected to employers doing their due diligence.

Another fun fact - we do not require a picture ID on resumes in the US. Guess how many countries do? Too many put in this post is the answer.

Gruden and any other figure in the public limelight 'has to be smarter than the average person' because they're under instant scrutiny anyway.

Did you know that the FBI background check goes back 15 years from the day of submitting your data???

The outrage here is really unbelievable if you look at this holistically...
 

DBS1970

I hate you all and I blame Ark for that.
I respectfully disagree.

1. If I have an employee that beats his spouse/partner in his/her private life - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???
2. If I have an employee that sells illegal drugs on his/her private time - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???
3. If I have an employee that has a garage full of explosive materials, high-powered rifles, and what ever else could be life threatening - is that not the employers business - if they post this on Twitter/IG/YouTube/etc...???

These scenarios could go on and on. How would you feel if you family member was on the wrong end of any of the 3 scenarios above? I bet you'd want to take up arms and get a pound of flesh like another red-blooded American man/woman.

The fact of the matter is times have changed, GLOBALLY, and the US is not the only country that has been or is currently subjected to employers doing their due diligence.

Another fun fact - we do not require a picture ID on resumes in the US. Guess how many countries do? Too many put in this post is the answer.

Gruden and any other figure in the public limelight 'has to be smarter than the average person' because they're under instant scrutiny anyway.

Did you know that the FBI background check goes back 15 years from the day of submitting your data???

The outrage here is really unbelievable if you look at this holistically...

Does the employee have a contract with a morals clause? If not then no it isn't any of the employers business unless legal troubles prevent the employee from showing up to doing their job.
 

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