Ryan Clark Calls out Steelers

[SteelerSask2]

I agree with most of what he says but if you are gonna talk about the culture of the team and their identity and not direct that at Tomlin that is simply horseshit. How can he call for Ben's benching (which personally I think they should do for his health and to look at the rostered QBs) and not name Tomlin as part of the problem. Tomlin is in charge of this:
The defense
In game strategy
He is co author of the roster
The culture.
Every teams culture is set and maintained by the HC. He is not responsible for individual attitudes and behaviour but he is responsible for what happens after.

 

[Steelr4evr]

Sorry Ryan,you're flat out wrong. Better start with the coach if you want to talk about culture change. That's 100% on him. You are what you allow to cultivate.

Don't wimp out now. Cover ALL of the bases in your critique.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Sorry Ryan,you're flat out wrong. Better start with the coach if you want to talk about culture change. That's 100% on him. You are what you allow to cultivate.

Don't wimp out now. Cover ALL of the bases in your critique.

And at the end he tells "the team" they will be responsible for Tomlin's first losing season. Let's be clear 9-7 and 8-8 is part of the reason they are where they are. Clearly.

 

[BLITZ]

It really sucks that the standard has become lets not have a losing season. It used to be Lombardi's

 

[SteelerSask2]

Obviously sitting at the bottom for long periods of time is the worst. But I also think the occasional 4-12 6-10 season is how you rebuild your roster. It's getting the top 10 guy in the first three rounds. Where you can get talent and character without having to choose.

 

[Litos]

Obviously sitting at the bottom for long periods of time is the worst. But I also think the occasional 4-12 6-10 season is how you rebuild your roster. It's getting the top 10 guy in the first three rounds. Where you can get talent and character without having to choose.

Not if you draft Bush, burns and Edmunds, need instead of BPA

 

[SteelerSask2]

Not if you draft Bush, burns and Edmunds, need instead of BPA

Artie Burns 1.25 and Terrell Edmunds 1.28 are exactly what I'm talking about. Now not many disliked Bush coming out of Michigan. But again the worst if it was having to pay up because they were 8-8 or whatever they were to get him in the first place.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Artie Burns 1.25 and Terrell Edmunds 1.28 are exactly what I'm talking about. Now not many disliked Bush coming out of Michigan. But again the worst if it was having to pay up because they were 8-8 or whatever they were to get him in the first place.

Heyward and Watt were drafted late in the first round and are having legit HOF trajectory careers.

Ward and Faneca were drafted after the Steelers reached the AFCC game and drafted late in the order as a result.

It helps to pick higher, but there seems to be busts and great players picked along all levels of the draft order.

I'm not sure drafting low is quite the detriment to winning it is made out to be. The Ravens, Packers, Chiefs and Patriots rarely draft in the top 10 and, despite some flaws, look at them.

The Steelers are in the position they're in since last year's 11-0 start because they've done some stupid things like not drafting an OL in the first two rounds for an entire decade, while spending five consecutive second round picks on receivers, and investing a first, second and third round pick in Devin Bush.

Combine that with their continuous inability to draft and develop DBs, Tomlin and Colbert have taken turns ******** the bed, it seems.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Yeah Hines was a 3rd Rd pick. A great pick.

 

[troymania]

Heyward and Watt were drafted late in the first round and are having legit HOF trajectory careers.

Ward and Faneca were drafted after the Steelers reached the AFCC game and drafted late in the order as a result.

It helps to pick higher, but there seems to be busts and great players picked along all levels of the draft order.

I'm not sure drafting low is quite the detriment to winning it is made out to be. The Ravens, Packers, Chiefs and Patriots rarely draft in the top 10 and, despite some flaws, look at them.

The Steelers are in the position they're in since last year's 11-0 start because they've done some stupid things like not drafting an OL in the first two rounds for an entire decade, while spending five consecutive second round picks on receivers, and investing a first, second and third round pick in Devin Bush.

Combine that with their continuous inability to draft and develop DBs, Tomlin and Colbert have taken turns ******** the bed, it seems.

I know that there are but shouldn't be any busts in first-round picks. Burns and Edmunds were supreme reaches for the first round and Bush acts like he doesn't even want to play football let alone for the Steelers.

 

[Litos]

There were better 9ptions at those picks than burns and Edmunds, no one here liked those picks and we are talking at least 50 Nation members following the draft live here. It was obviously a reach need pick in both cases. Same goes for bush

Artie Burns 1.25 and Terrell Edmunds 1.28 are exactly what I'm talking about. Now not many disliked Bush coming out of Michigan. But again the worst if it was having to pay up because they were 8-8 or whatever they were to get him in the first place.

 

[Punxsutawney]

There were better 9ptions at those picks than burns and Edmunds, no one here liked those picks and we are talking at least 50 Nation members following the draft live here. It was obviously a reach need pick in both cases. Same goes for bush

I did not mind the drafting of Bush at #10 in itself, as he seemed to be talented enough to overcome his lack of size. It was the use of the others picks to do it that I did not like, and it looks like a complete disaster now, given his terrible play and the other areas of need on the team.

If you're investing that much in an ILB, he needs to be a perennial Allpro level player and Bush is struggling to do the bare minimum at this point

 

[madinsomniac]

Tomlin has a few things tgat he needs to do better.
A. Curtail the immaturity… yeah it's petty, but it leads to the undisciplined stuff… the game can still be fun and entertaining, but before you are practicing team celebrations, you better be practicing your routes…. At wr we have seen Santonio, Brown, Bryant, Claypool, and Juju pull immature selfish actions that hurt the team to some degree, be it full meltdowns or just dumb plays and penalties….

B. Developing backups… he overplays the starters,.. we saw last week superstars still in the game after it was out of hand… stats don’t matter to great coaches… outside of qb, rotate your backups in 20% of the time and save your best players some wear and tear.. plus you get your backups more comfortable playing in the nfl/ system …

It feels like all the young guys are either thrown to the wolves right away or shelved until they are absolutely needed

C. Change up the system and gameplan quicker… quit stubbornly sticking to what isn’t working anymore

 

[SteelerSask2]

There were better 9ptions at those picks than burns and Edmunds, no one here liked those picks and we are talking at least 50 Nation members following the draft live here. It was obviously a reach need pick in both cases. Same goes for bush

I'm not saying they weren't need reaches. I'm saying at 1.12 or 1.15 probably not going that way. Can't live in the middle for the sake of 8-8 seasons.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

C. Change up the system and gameplan quicker… quit stubbornly sticking to what isn’t working anymore

or stubbornly sticking to players that never worked.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Tomlin has a few things tgat he needs to do better.
A. Curtail the immaturity… yeah it's petty, but it leads to the undisciplined stuff… the game can still be fun and entertaining, but before you are practicing team celebrations, you better be practicing your routes…. At wr we have seen Santonio, Brown, Bryant, Claypool, and Juju pull immature selfish actions that hurt the team to some degree, be it full meltdowns or just dumb plays and penalties….

B. Developing backups… he overplays the starters,.. we saw last week superstars still in the game after it was out of hand… stats don’t matter to great coaches… outside of qb, rotate your backups in 20% of the time and save your best players some wear and tear.. plus you get your backups more comfortable playing in the nfl/ system …

It feels like all the young guys are either thrown to the wolves right away or shelved until they are absolutely needed

C. Change up the system and gameplan quicker… quit stubbornly sticking to what isn’t working anymore

This is because Tomlin is about leading not about teaching and coaching. He can only lead talented players. That's why every problem is dealt with in the offseason with talent improvement not in season.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Not if you draft Bush, burns and Edmunds, need instead of BPA

The whole 2016 Steeler draft was a trainwreck. Artie Burns, Sean Davis, Hargrave, Hawkins, Feeney, Ayers, Matakevich.

 

[Litos]

The whole 2016 Steeler draft was a trainwreck. Artie Burns, Sean Davis, Hargrave, Hawkins, Feeney, Ayers, Matakevich.

True, only Hargrave was a very good pick

 

[SteelerSask2]

Yes Love to have Hargrave right now but he was a cap management casualty.

 

[wig]

Matakevich had some good games, and he was pretty good on special teams.

Not every draft pick is going to be an all pro. Some guys you just want to be "ok" honestly. You need guys that Rudy in practice and make the rest of the team better. They're important too.

 

[steel dino]

Did Ryan pick up his game ball at the Steeler office yet?

 

[wig]

Change up the system and gameplan quicker… quit stubbornly sticking to what isn’t working anymore

I firmly believe that Coach T needs to dramatically improve on his in-game and halftime adjustment ability. However, every now and then he goes and makes you ******* insane. Last night, sticking to the plan and not panicking were precisely the right thing to do.

Of course it was no surprise to anyone who has followed the Steelers the last 17 years that when Ben is allowed to go no huddle or muddle huddle it is 7 or 8 times out of 10 going to produce great results.

 

[black and gold apex]

Clark has become another Espn yeller, obvious he does not watch games when again blame Ben.. Maybe he should have watched last night the secondary coverage and tackling and a defense that allowed Ravens twice after we scored to let them do the same. Thank goodnes for a couple defensive players that did their job.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Clark is an agitator like most personalities on ESPN are now, however, I think he's still passionate about the Steelers and it bothers him what they've become. He's focusing the attention on the area that will get the most engagement yet his overall message reflects that of the entire team.

 

[Supersteeler]

Clark is annoying. He is a Steven A Smith wannabe. The hot take act is tiresome.